Problems With Kayle's Design

ColoBeans·Feb 27, 2019·44 votes·14,825 views

Although they updated the boob-plate design, I'm still extremely perturbed by her lack of armor on the lower part of her body. Why is it so open? Almost literally seems so naked and vulnerable. And why is she stripping off more things as she levels up? Shouldn't she be adding more armor on? Maybe just me, but I really dug the fully armored female thing and I feel it's very suiting with Kayle; it would go with her whole non-feeling machine-like justice thing.

Also, again, might just be me, but I feel like the plume on top of her helmet should be incorporated back into at **least ** the classic design. It's almost iconic. Here's 333lom's rendition for example and here's their entire edit if you wanna look at it.

In short, Kayle's lower torso and crotch is too out there. Any other thoughts?

Edit: Removed my Kai'Sa comment because it was unnecessary and people were focusing on that rather than the main argument.

48 Comments

GreenKnightFeb 27, 201922 votes

I doubt any further adjustments will happen to her base skin. Riot wants to ship her current design, and people's opinions on it don't really matter for them.

Mira Arya EntheFeb 27, 20195 votes

Riot sympathizers will just say you are wearing nostalgia goggles. Aka something that is exaggerated, misunderstood and cannot actually apply psychologically in the way gamers use it to excuse bad changes.

Hellsing69Feb 28, 20192 votes

Listen to legit Feedback? Nah Idea Rito set in its mind and dont care about the opinion of those who shall Play/buy it? YES

SobxFeb 28, 20192 votes

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Listen to legit Feedback? Nah Idea Rito set in its mind and dont care about the opinion of those who shall Play/buy it? YES

"""legit feedback""" regarding completely subjective thing like preferred visual details of a champion. It's always easier to just claim your opinion is an example of "legit feedback", but disregard anybody else's, sure.

Hellsing69Feb 28, 20193 votes

I dont talke about me, or one Person now. Pls, just look throug the boards, Lol Reddit or KayleMains Reddit. There are so many ppl that say the same regarding certain things. If you dont call it legit, i dont know. Its them that are going to use Kayle and her Skins. But good Job making it seem like i think I AM THE ONLY ONE AND NO ONE ELSE COUNTS, I AM GOD.

Wouldnt be the first time Riot is like "fuck the community". Want an example? Twitch Spray and Pray. How long did that take again?

SobxFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I dont talke about me, or one Person now. Pls, just look throug the boards, Lol Reddit or KayleMains Reddit. There are so many ppl that say the same regarding certain things. If you dont call it legit, i dont know. Its them that are going to use Kayle and her Skins. But good Job making it seem like i think I AM THE ONLY ONE AND NO ONE ELSE COUNTS, I AM GOD.

Wouldnt be the first time Riot is like "fuck the community". Want an example? Twitch Spray and Pray. How long did that take again?

Negative opinions are always the most common to share. If you like something, there's no reason to reach out to anyone/anywhere, you just wait for the "product" to come out. On the other hand if there's anything you dislike, you're much more likely to reach out and voice your disappointment. That's not even a theory, that's a pretty obvious fact. But good job making it seem like YOU'RE THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY, IF RIOT IGNORES YOUR OPINION, IT MEANS THEY FAILED EVERY PLAYER IN THE GAME BECAUSE EVERYONE DESIRES WHAT YOU (and a group of people on the boards) DO!

GlaricionFeb 28, 20194 votes

Yes, negative opinions are the ones that'll get shared, but where are these negative opinions and backlashes over the fundamental redesign of the character with Morgana? What about w/ Ez? Nunu?

There's some nitpicks that you can find, but nothing as deafening as the complaints about Kayle.

There's the boards and subreddits where you can see the complaints be one-sided, but you can also go through this tweet to check it out.

If you told me that negative opinions are favoured to be shared and expressed at a rate of 15:1 I'd believe you, but getting up to 50+:1? You'd expect a stronger 'positive opinion' backlash if Kayle's design was fine.

Kayle fits a niche as a female encased in a full suit of armour. We have Leona and Rek'sai...
As a girl dressed in a way that leaves little to the imagination however... Allow me to introduce you to Katarina, Evelyn, Morgana, Ahri, Kai'sa, Miss Fortune, Akali, ...

Hellsing69Feb 28, 20191 votes

This. You only see so much so much threads with Feedback and critics and so on if a bunch of ppl have an issue with whats going to get shipped out. @Sobx. This is not a phantasm of 10 People. If you would look it up like i said, you would know that. Doesnt matter if negative Feedback is shared more, there is so much disagreement here that has to have a cause.

And really nice move, grabbing in the air and pulling bs like "I am the voice of the communty" out. "Ignoring my opinion". Like i said, look it up for yourself. browse through a bunch of different sites, and tell me pls one more time its "My Opinion".

SobxFeb 28, 20191 votes

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Yes, negative opinions are the ones that'll get shared, but where are these negative opinions and backlashes over the fundamental redesign of the character with Morgana? What about w/ Ez? Nunu?

There's some nitpicks that you can find, but nothing as deafening as the complaints about Kayle.

There's the boards and subreddits where you can see the complaints be one-sided, but you can also go through this tweet to check it out.

If you told me that negative opinions are favoured to be shared and expressed at a rate of 15:1 I'd believe you, but getting up to 50+:1? You'd expect a stronger 'positive opinion' backlash if Kayle's design was fine.

Kayle fits a niche as a female encased in a full suit of armour. We have Leona and Rek'sai...
As a girl dressed in a way that leaves little to the imagination however... Allow me to introduce you to Katarina, Evelyn, Morgana, Ahri, Kai'sa, Miss Fortune, Akali, ...

And what is this tweet supposed to show me that negates what I wrote before? There's nothing wrong with reworked Kayle now that they changed the 'latex/lycra' texture into something more solid and some of the great people here keep spewing something about "sexism" (riiiiiiight), "historical accuracy" (LOL) and "what the champion is supposed to be". Believe it or not, but the creators of the champion know better what it's supposed to be than you and some pseudo-insulted people on the boards that for the big part don't even play the champion, but decided that every decision in the game has to be about them, so why not act offended over nothing, right?

And sure, what we REALLY need from kayle is to be Leona that flies, that will make her original.

Boreas IXFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I doubt any further adjustments will happen to her base skin. Riot wants to ship her current design, and people's opinions on it don't really matter for them.

Nobody matters to Riot.

DynikusFeb 27, 20197 votes

She's wearing the same amount of armor, arguably more since her sides are actually covered, as old kayle. Old kayle still had her abs and inner thighs completely exposed, just her bodysuit wasn't skin tight, and she had a belt and loin cloth that covered her pelvis.

BavalFeb 27, 20195 votes

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She's wearing the same amount of armor, arguably more since her sides are actually covered, as old kayle. Old kayle still had her abs and inner thighs completely exposed, just her bodysuit wasn't skin tight, and she had a belt and loin cloth that covered her pelvis.

yes, and the edit is also wearing very nearly the same amount of armor, but Riots version doesnt feel like shes wearing armor and thats whats important. Not only is her bodysuit skintight but her upper armor is too, and then theres the spike going into her stomach.

DynikusFeb 27, 20191 votes

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yes, and the edit is also wearing very nearly the same amount of armor, but Riots version doesnt feel like shes wearing armor and thats whats important. Not only is her bodysuit skintight but her upper armor is too, and then theres the spike going into her stomach.

You're aware they already updated the original splash, right? Her armor looks much better now.

BavalFeb 27, 20192 votes

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You're aware they already updated the original splash, right? Her armor looks much better now.

the splash has nothing to do with the in game model.

GreenLoreFeb 27, 20196 votes

Overall the big problem is that Kayles crotch area stands too much out, making it look like she is wearing a spandex bodysuit under her armor.

ColoBeansFeb 28, 20191 votes

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Overall the big problem is that Kayles crotch area stands too much out, making it look like she is wearing a spandex bodysuit under her armor.

Yeap! You nailed it right in the head! The huge contrast between the color of her entirely (light cream/white/whatever) and the purple...undersuit makes my eyes glued to that space. Doesn't help it's right in the middle of the figure and takes up quite a bit of her body as well. Basically the armor is framing that part of her and it's very distracting because it's more on the unbalanced side.

ColoBeansFeb 28, 20191 votes

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She's wearing the same amount of armor, arguably more since her sides are actually covered, as old kayle. Old kayle still had her abs and inner thighs completely exposed, just her bodysuit wasn't skin tight, and she had a belt and loin cloth that covered her pelvis.

Not sure why you got so many downvotes, but you're kinda right! She did have the hip/belt armor and her torso's armor seems to come down more.

DynikusFeb 28, 20193 votes

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Not sure why you got so many downvotes, but you're kinda right! She did have the hip/belt armor and her torso's armor seems to come down more.

Likely just downvotes for not hating on the new design, but it doesn't really matter either way. I think how a lot of people picture current kayle is skewed because of the pose used in the current splash art. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/ec6b653d-20ae-41d7-8e78-5a2ec054db72/d85w02l-a3038792-0cc7-43e7-809d-4f5bd4e37f2b.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_599,q_70,strp/kayle_new_splash_by_su_ke_d85w02l-fullview.jpg In this her knee largely covers up the fact that her abs are completely exposed, and her leg being lifted gives people the idea that while not in motion, or in a less dynamic pose, her thighs are likely more covered. It also covers that her cuirass always had a spike in the middle of it that I've seen a lot of complaints about. http://www.leaguesplash.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Kayle-Classic.jpg Then in this splash, her abs and inner thighs are again covered, making people not immediately recognize that they're unarmored. http://i.imgur.com/wtmwTsf.jpg But if they actually looked at her in a more neutral pose, it's a lot more clear that she was never completely covered in armor from head to toe.

EphixusFeb 27, 20196 votes

Edited one looks far way better.

Camille FerrøsFeb 27, 20196 votes

They did this fully knowing how the fans took Kai'sa and Sylas. But here where they contradicted the character that is Kayle is just too much. And this tells something about Riot.

mrmeddymanFeb 27, 20195 votes

Naw I'm fine with what they got now. Ship it Riot

Mira Arya EntheFeb 27, 20195 votes

Agreed but still downvoted for the pointless "Sexy women bad Kai'sa" jab.

Camille FerrøsFeb 27, 20194 votes

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Agreed but still downvoted for the pointless "Sexy women bad Kai'sa" jab.

LOL

ArakadiaFeb 27, 20198 votes

Your downvoting a good discussion you agree with because you disagree with a little comment at the end?

The TrentFeb 28, 20191 votes

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Your downvoting a good discussion you agree with because you disagree with a little comment at the end?

to be fair op did the exact same thing to me. I didn't downvote him tho but like it's whatever. When you can't figure out how to respond to someone it's their last line of defence.

ColoBeansFeb 28, 20191 votes

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to be fair op did the exact same thing to me. I didn't downvote him tho but like it's whatever. When you can't figure out how to respond to someone it's their last line of defence.

I didn't downvote you though?

ColoBeansFeb 28, 20191 votes

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Agreed but still downvoted for the pointless "Sexy women bad Kai'sa" jab.

You're right, removed that comment.

ModCaptainMårvelousFeb 27, 20194 votes

She'd be a great candidate for Ctrl + 5 for her helmet. And before it's a clarity issue: Kayle gains more wings and more resplendent ones as well. I think we can give Kayle more armor and won't lose anything from it.

The TrentFeb 27, 20192 votes

I personally really like the original better. I don't understand the hate for Kayle's armor or why people think it "needs" to be changed. It's okay for you to not like it and it's okay for you to suggest changes. I don't think it's okay to say that it has "problems" when some of us think it looks just fine.There's no offensive issue that the armor presents unless you really want to reach, so there's no reason for that kind of insult. The design team on riot worked hard on it.

If bright colors aren't your things I can understand why you might not like it. If a sleek armor design isn't your thing, then I can understand why you might not like it. However there's a lot I don't know and that you don't know that goes into the making of a champion. We haven't seen the place Kayle is from, we don't know what her armor is made of, we don't know if armor is even useful for a being like her or just a decoration. These are all things Riot takes into consideration with the lore and art team that you probably didn't even think about.

I don't think Riot's pulling another "hot idolized girl in a body suit with some armor on." I don't think they even pulled that with Kai'Sa. To me it just seems like you're seeing what you want to see. I have no reason to like Kayle's design because of how attractive she is. I'm not into women. I like it because it just looks nice to me. The same goes with Kai'Sa. I'm not saying I can't tell if a women is hot, I'm just saying that's not a reason I would find Kai'Sa's visuals to be pleasing. I will admit that I think Garen is hot... But do I think they pulled another "hot idolized man in a suit of armor?" While Riot has made a few of those kinds of guys, no I don't. There are plenty of dudes that play Garen because they think he just looks like a badass knight that fights for what he believes in. It has nothing to do with his looks.

You also have to consider that there would be no reason for Kayle or Kai'Sa not to have fit, hot and "idolized" bodies. Kai'Sa has been hunting non stop all her life because her void suit will eat her if she doesn't feed it void creatures. Kayle is an angel and I doubt angel bodies can be anything but perfect. Garen is a demacian soldier that has trained a ton, of course he's going to be buff as hell. There's also just nothing wrong with creating hot characters... we like to see them, we like to idolize them. There's a place for darker and uglier designs, and that's not Kayle. They could've possibly took that path with Kai'sa, but how she ended up how she is makes sense in the story. If you want more champions like Illoai and Taliyah, two honestly, still hot females, that stray from the normal hot body type that's okay, but why does it HAVE to be Kayle? Why did it HAVE to be Kai'Sa? It didn't have to. We have plenty of opportunities coming up.

You have to remember that Riot's marketing team doesn't come up with champion designs. Most people see it that way and suggest to themselves that x champion is only this way so it can sell. That's not true. Champions are made by people like us, people who know us and what we find interesting. If you think Kayle is has a nice body... that's because the people behind Kayle also thought the same. The people on the design team are nerds just like us.

Also I'm not even going into the visual clairty, cultural, and very very complicated reason as to why they make a champion the way they look. A lot more than you think goes into creating a champion and you suggesting that it has "problems," and is just another, "hot idolized girl in a body suit with some armor on." Is very insulting to the people who wasted countless, passionate hours on it.

Like THIS "Why is it so open? Almost literally seems so naked and vulnerable. And why is she stripping off more things as she levels up?" Is what you have to say to the people who put that much time into making something for us? And you don't even take into consideration the multiple factors that could answer these questions for yourself? Like I said, why does a being like Kayle who EFFORTLESSLY smites people even need armor in the first place? What matieral do you think is going to be stronger than just her pure magical energy? Do you even know the materials on Runeterra? Can you name one? Runeterra isn't like earth, they have different cultures than us. You're trying to impress your earth-like ideaoligy INTO A FANTASY GAME. Riot's literally created an entire world... and it's not earth. Someone like Kayle doesn't even care if she strips down. First of all, she's covered in light, good luck seeing anything, second of all her intentions are to be a lawful smiter. If you were too meet her and saw her tits, those would literally be the last things you ever saw, so whatever lmao. She doesn't care about your sexual desires, they're literally the least of her worries. What she wears is efficent for her. This is the kind of mindset someone at riot creates a champion with; Attention to detail. It's what gets them hired.

ColoBeansFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I don't think Riot's pulling another "hot idolized girl in a body suit with some armor on." I don't think they even pulled that with Kai'Sa. To me it just seems like you're seeing what you want to see. I have no reason to like Kayle's design because of how attractive she is. I'm not into women. I like it because it just looks nice to me. The same goes with Kai'Sa. I'm not saying I can't tell if a women is hot, I'm just saying that's not a reason I would find Kai'Sa's visuals to be pleasing. I will admit that I think Garen is hot... But do I think they pulled another "hot idolized man in a suit of armor?" While Riot has made a few of those kinds of guys, no I don't. There are plenty of dudes that play Garen because they think he just looks like a badass knight that fights for what he believes in. It has nothing to do with his looks.

You also have to consider that there would be no reason for Kayle or Kai'Sa not to have fit, hot and "idolized" bodies. Kai'Sa has been hunting non stop all her life because her void suit will eat her if she doesn't feed it void creatures. Kayle is an angel and I doubt angel bodies can be anything but perfect. Garen is a demacian soldier that has trained a ton, of course he's going to be buff as hell. There's also just nothing wrong with creating hot characters... we like to see them, we like to idolize them. There's a place for darker and uglier designs, and that's not Kayle. They could've possibly took that path with Kai'sa, but how she ended up how she is makes sense in the story. If you want more champions like Illoai and Taliyah, two honestly, still hot females, that stray from the normal hot body type that's okay, but why does it HAVE to be Kayle? Why did it HAVE to be Kai'Sa? It didn't have to. We have plenty of opportunities coming up.

Also I'm not even going into the visual clairty, cultural, and very very complicated reason as to why they make a champion the way they look. A lot more than you think goes into creating a champion and you suggesting that it has "problems," and is just another, "hot idolized girl in a body suit with some armor on." Is very insulting to the people who wasted countless, passionate hours on it.

Like THIS "Why is it so open? Almost literally seems so naked and vulnerable. And why is she stripping off more things as she levels up?" Is what you have to say to the people who put that much time into making something for us? And you don't even take into consideration the multiple factors that could answer these questions for yourself? Like I said, why does a being like Kayle who EFFORTLESSLY smites people even need armor in the first place? What matieral do you think is going to be stronger than just her pure magical energy? Do you even know the materials on Runeterra? Can you name one? Runeterra isn't like earth, they have different cultures than us. You're trying to impress your earth-like ideaoligy INTO A FANTASY GAME. Riot's literally created an entire world... and it's not earth. Someone like Kayle doesn't even care if she strips down. First of all, she's covered in light, good luck seeing anything, second of all her intentions are to be a lawful smiter. If you were too meet her and saw her tits, those would literally be the last things you ever saw, so whatever lmao. She doesn't care about your sexual desires, they're literally the least of her worries. What she wears is efficent for her. This is the kind of mindset someone at riot creates a champion with; Attention to detail. It's what gets them hired.

When I heard "void marksman" and "daughter of the void", I thought Kai'Sa would've been a **_lot _**more mutated. I see your point with Kayle being an angel and looking perfect, but all attention draws towards that large maroon section because it's so contrasted from her other features (light armor, wings, hair, eyes, swords, et al.). My eyes are stuck there. This is a basic design issue. There are plenty of opportunities, but why not start now?

The design team is made up of humans and believe it or not they do make mistakes from time to time. They changed the boob plate armor because it was a problem. League themselves have said they are a community game and they do listen. As for my attempt to " impress [my] earth-like ideaoligy INTO A FANTASY GAME", dude, what? Have you sat and thought about that phrase for a minute? What about _you _ impressing _your _ earth-like ideaoligy of what an angel should be into a fantasy game?

Yes, my Kai'Sa comment was not called for and not needed in my argument, but my argument is overall a critique. Although the people who "wasted countless, passionate hours" on Kayle may be a bit insulted, it is overall catered to the community and the points I pointed out in my argument are some of the most fought for revisions wanted. A big example of this is Blackthorn and Exile Morgana.

King BraumFeb 27, 20192 votes

They dont want to do a tarp because of clipping issues which I mean, I can understand. Though I'd wish they'd cover her up further..

SobxFeb 27, 20192 votes

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Although they updated the boob-plate design, I'm still extremely perturbed by her lack of armor on the lower part of her body. Why is it so open? Almost literally seems so naked and vulnerable. And why is she stripping off more things as she levels up? Shouldn't she be adding more armor on? Maybe just me, but I really dug the fully armored female thing and I feel it's very suiting with Kayle; it would go with her whole non-feeling machine-like justice thing.

Because:

It looks better.
This game is not attempting to be historically accurate depiction of... well, anything. When did that become a valid argument?
She's supposed to be an angel and the constraint of a puny mortal-made armor is not what she's into. As for why she's getting less and less armor -because she's evolving into a stronger/higher being and doesn't need it as much anymore.

Also, again, might just be me, but I feel like the plume on top of her helmet should be incorporated back into at **least ** the classic design. It's almost iconic. Here's 333lom's rendition for example and here's their entire edit if you wanna look at it.

I'm not sure how it can be called "iconic", but ok? With that being said, the only thing that -imo- looks better in "333lom's rendition" is helmet. The rest is just bland and boring and I don't think that's what they are (or even should be) going for.

ArakadiaFeb 28, 20193 votes

She's supposed to be an angel and the constraint of a puny mortal-made armor is not what she's into. As for why she's getting less and less armor -because she's evolving into a stronger/higher being and doesn't need it as much anymore.

Considering Kayle is all about conformity, unity, hard rigid rules, and doesn't care about mortal things such as feminine and sexual expression, her armor should be completely covering and at least seem believable (not necessarily realistic). And as she ascends closer to the divine ideal of restrictive but protective law, her armor should mirror her ideology even more so, meaning she should become more armored and faceless. After all she rejects her human side and old Kayle certainly was the faceless, genderless extension of Justice new Kayle wants to be but fails to on an artistic side.

It makes no sense with her lore, character, and personality for her to be armored the way she is and for her to lose armor as she ascends.

SobxFeb 28, 20191 votes

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Considering Kayle is all about conformity, unity, hard rigid rules, and doesn't care about mortal things such as feminine and sexual expression, her armor should be completely covering and at least seem believable (not necessarily realistic). And as she ascends closer to the divine ideal of restrictive but protective law, her armor should mirror her ideology even more so, meaning she should become more armored and faceless. After all she rejects her human side and old Kayle certainly was the faceless, genderless extension of Justice new Kayle wants to be but fails to on an artistic side.

It makes no sense with her lore, character, and personality for her to be armored the way she is and for her to lose armor as she ascends.

I already wrote about it and you did read those posts without answering anything of value, so I'll go for your usual type of answer and disregard majority of your post. Short answer: no.

Hey, it IS easier this way! :)

ArakadiaFeb 28, 20191 votes

I suppose I shouldn't have bothered responding to you as your not very knowledgeable about basic character design or you didn't read her lore. "No" doesn't make sense as a response to this either but I don't expect well articulated responses from you anymore anyways.

SobxFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I suppose I shouldn't have bothered responding to you as your not very knowledgeable about basic character design or you didn't read her lore. "No" doesn't make sense as a response to this either but I don't expect well articulated responses from you anymore anyways.

It does make sense, it's just not an answer to your entire post. You literally do the same thing all the time, but keep pretending you're making some valid point here. Suddenly so insulted because someone did the same crap you do in every other post, lmao.

ArakadiaFeb 28, 20191 votes

I'm not interesting in entertaining you and your personal vendetta against me. Sorry you don't feel like I addressed you enough though!

SobxFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I'm not interesting in entertaining you and your personal vendetta against me. Sorry you don't feel like I addressed you enough though!

That's not any "vendetta", but k. Anyways, you constantly do this crap (in response to other users as well), but when called out, you just move on and pretend it never happened. Suddenly you keep replying even though you say "you're not interested in entertaining me"(whatever that's supposed to mean) and -I guess- pretend you don't know what I'm talking about, lmao.

ColoBeansFeb 28, 20193 votes

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I'm not sure how it can be called "iconic", but ok? With that being said, the only thing that -imo- looks better in "333lom's rendition" is helmet. The rest is just bland and boring and I don't think that's what they are (or even should be) going for.

It's iconic because no other champion in League has an armor helmet with a feather plume. It's one of her defining, identifiable features. If I were to say her wings are iconic, which I don't mean they aren't, but many other champions share this feature.

SobxFeb 28, 20191 votes

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It's iconic because no other champion in League has an armor helmet with a feather plume. It's one of her defining, identifiable features. If I were to say her wings are iconic, which I don't mean they aren't, but many other champions share this feature.

Cool, but that's just half of the post.

ColoBeansMar 1, 20191 votes

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Cool, but that's just half of the post.

Okie dokes, here you go:

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Because:

It looks better.

This game is not attempting to be historically accurate depiction of... well, anything. When did that become a valid argument?

She's supposed to be an angel and the constraint of a puny mortal-made armor is not what she's into. As for why she's getting less and less armor -because she's evolving into a stronger/higher being and doesn't need it as much anymore.

Ok, your opinion.
This game isn't attempting to be historically accurate but it does go off things we see and know/inspired by with a layer of creativity on top.
Yes, but armor is usually a signifier of strength because you can tank more hits. Armor is heavy, especially with a full suit of armor. You'd have to be fairly built to be going into battle with it. Having her take off her armor gives me the idea that she's now vulnerable, but I do see your point. However, if they did want to make that the case (her becoming more immortal and untouchable) for removing her helmet/neck armor, then why not remove more or completely remove the rest to push the idea further? That I would be cool with.

SukishooFeb 27, 20191 votes

Unfortunately I doubt there will be any more alterations made as it will ship next week. The current cycle should be wrapped up by tomorrow.

WombatPandaaFeb 27, 20191 votes

I really think that a blend between the two would have been a better choice -- the new one looks cool, sure, but it's not the fully armored, unique Kayle we know and love, and that in and of itself didn't need to change. The purple I can understand because it's supposed to match Morgana, which is fine because that's the whole point of the redesign. But having a woman in full armor is something so rarely done that it's a shame they changed it to a more common sexualised armor suit. I can't go so far as to say it's not realistic (a video by Shadiversity makes a compelling argument that had the women been society's warriors, their form would have been emphasised from the beginning) but I still just don't see why they changed it so much. I think the edits are a nice blend, and I would personally like it if Riot was to go back a bit to a more armored tank look.

Shadiversity's video, if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBtvS5yhTA8

ColoBeansFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I really think that a blend between the two would have been a better choice -- the new one looks cool, sure, but it's not the fully armored, unique Kayle we know and love, and that in and of itself didn't need to change. The purple I can understand because it's supposed to match Morgana, which is fine because that's the whole point of the redesign. But having a woman in full armor is something so rarely done that it's a shame they changed it to a more common sexualised armor suit. I can't go so far as to say it's not realistic (a video by Shadiversity makes a compelling argument that had the women been society's warriors, their form would have been emphasised from the beginning) but I still just don't see why they changed it so much. I think the edits are a nice blend, and I would personally like it if Riot was to go back a bit to a more armored tank look.

Shadiversity's video, if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBtvS5yhTA8

Yea, I dug the heavy armored tank look as well, but it makes sense how they're going for a more light armor look, literally and weight-wise too I guess. Don't wanna weigh yourself down if you want to fly.

kda akaliFeb 27, 20191 votes

tbh i like the edited one but the color should really be purple instead of red. from an aesthetic standpoint red fits well with the gold, but thematically it fails to show a connection to morgana.

ColoBeansFeb 28, 20192 votes

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tbh i like the edited one but the color should really be purple instead of red. from an aesthetic standpoint red fits well with the gold, but thematically it fails to show a connection to morgana.

Yes! I actually like how her armor is more of a warm color scheme while her wings, sword and...undersuit are more cool toned and a bit purple!

ºYumeko JabamiºFeb 28, 20191 votes

I cosplay female characters with strong roles but I never go out of my way to make it promiscuous for the sake of it.. it seems Riot is willing to compromise though.

SobxFeb 28, 20191 votes

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I cosplay female characters with strong roles but I never go out of my way to make it promiscuous for the sake of it.. it seems Riot is willing to compromise though.

Ok. But how exactly is this relevant here? If I'll decide to cosplay exclusively as attack helicopters, does that mean I'm free to demand Riot releases champions almost exclusively in the form of Apache helicopters?

Honestly, I really don't see the relevance of your comment, but maybe you just wanted to share you're a "strong independent women cosplayer". In which case it's cool, but still irrelevant.