Just So I’m clear, Evelynn didn’t kill...........

Xodiathe4bdn1·Oct 1, 2017·25 votes·2,656 views

Vayne during their first encounter because she didn’t want to for whatever reason but because she couldn’t as vayne at that point wouldn’t succumb to any seductions Evelynn would dish out so she wouldn’t feel agony’s Embrace.

I’m not underestimating the power of runeterra demonic temptations, in fact I’d hazard a guess that had vayne been with her parents that night she to would have given in to Evelynns seduction and died with them however Vayne saw the demoness for what she was so her lure was useless

Which makes me wonder if Evelynn is not able to hurt anyone (even in self defense) so long as they resist her temptations. If true then that’s a useful fact for vayne when she eventually finds Evelynn

43 Comments

TattersallOct 2, 201710 votes

Demons need to fulfill a requirement before they can affect a being. Tahm's requirement is a spoken contract or bargain. A person has to give consent and merely reap what they sow, and it's Tahm's job to get them to sow the right things. I'm not sure when or where, but I read somewhere that Evelynn's requirement is physical touch. She usually goes about this through seduction, but it's very possible that she uses other means. We don't know how she killed the parents, but I am confident in this: In that moment, nothing Evelynn could've done would have been able to make Vayne go up and touch her.

SplisionOct 2, 20175 votes

But didn't Tahm eat the gambler's bride despite her not making the contract with him?

marpatt11Oct 2, 20172 votes

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But didn't Tahm eat the gambler's bride despite her not making the contract with him?

Tahm feeds off of misery if I recall correctly. Basically he makes a deal, for example, lets say bob makes a deal with tahm so that bob is rich, bob has 2 billion (what ever the currency he wanted). Now Tahm waits until, that if he took away that 2 billion, then Bob would be his saddest (lets say two years) so tahm waits two years. Then he strikes and now Bob has no money at all, leaving him in despair and feeding Tahm. This is what he did to the gambler. EDIT: this is also what he means when he says in his video "Cry if you want boy, cause you had a chance to walk away. Instead you're the fool, the fool who let me in" he doesn't need everything to make a bargain with him, he only needs you to let him in, or willing consent to whatever deal Tahm is offering you.

SplisionOct 2, 20171 votes

The point that I was trying to make with my question is that Tahm harmed and killed a human despite her not making a deal with him. He fed off of the gambler's misery, but he did so by killing and eating his bride.

marpatt11Oct 2, 20171 votes

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The point that I was trying to make with my question is that Tahm harmed and killed a human despite her not making a deal with him. He fed off of the gambler's misery, but he did so by killing and eating his bride.

He can do anything to you as long as it makes you sad or in despair, he took the gambler to a place, this place had his future wife (a princess no less). Tahm can do anything he wants to the gambler after the gambler lets him in, he could chop off all of his arms, he could kill his parents, he could and does kill his to be bride, again. As long as you let him in, he has complete power to do anything he wants to you, as long as it leaves you in despair.

SplisionOct 2, 20171 votes

But that doesn't explain how he was able to harm the bride. The bride was another individual human being. Unless the bride herself let Tahm in as well (which we don't really know) then he shouldn't be able to physically harm her.

marpatt11Oct 2, 20171 votes

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But that doesn't explain how he was able to harm the bride. The bride was another individual human being. Unless the bride herself let Tahm in as well (which we don't really know) then he shouldn't be able to physically harm her.

Sorry, I phrased that wrong, I meant if you have let tahm in, then he can do anything to you to make you sad/in despair

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But that doesn't explain how he was able to harm the bride. The bride was another individual human being. Unless the bride herself let Tahm in as well (which we don't really know) then he shouldn't be able to physically harm her.

ACTUALLY WAIT, discard my previous comment, she did let tahm in, just she didn't know it, I believe tahm during the video mentions she trusted him or something along those lines. EDIT: exact quote and context "Please, not now, not this time the bride did cry. The beasts response? to her it purred, this hungers a burden, but its the last time I swear. So please, forgive......now the creatures lies are so malodic and sincere, charmed that bride. And thus, she failed to recognize when that Demon's jaw unhinged" So what I can gather is that she asked him to not harm the gambler, that was the deal.

SplisionOct 2, 20171 votes

It is true that she started trusting him, but I don't think trust is the requirement that needs to be fulfilled for Tahm to feed off someone's misery. They need to make a deal with him that involves succumbing to one's own greed I think.

marpatt11Oct 2, 20171 votes

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It is true that she started trusting him, but I don't think trust is the requirement that needs to be fulfilled for Tahm to feed off someone's misery. They need to make a deal with him that involves succumbing to one's own greed I think.

The deal she made (at least from what I gathered) was that she wanted Tahm to not hurt the gambler (since when she says "PLEASE! not now, not this time" we are looking at a page which shows tahm holding the gambler by the neck) also another thing that is noted in I believe, his spotlight, that he preys on either the "too foolish or too desperate"

SplisionOct 2, 20172 votes

Hmmm I'm still not sure. Hopefully with the release of Evelynn's lore we can get a better idea of what makes a demon a demon and what they can and cannot do.

Another explanation that I just thought of is that maybe the reason Tahm was able to physically harm the bride is because the gambler viewed her as an object of his success.

marpatt11Oct 2, 20171 votes

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Hmmm I'm still not sure. Hopefully with the release of Evelynn's lore we can get a better idea of what makes a demon a demon and what they can and cannot do.

Another explanation that I just thought of is that maybe the reason Tahm was able to physically harm the bride is because the gambler viewed her as an object of his success.

That is a possibility, but I still think that the bride was desperate enough to let tahm in, in that very moment.

KuroCaliberOct 2, 20171 votes

My take on the not now line from the bride is that she once made a deal with tahm, and her price was her husband, as in it happened before. When it happened, she thought it was over, which is why she thought it would be ok if she married the man.

TattersallOct 2, 201715 votes

The bride was a part of the Gambler's (for clarity, I'm going to call him "The Man") deal. The Man's contract was basically "Take me away from this place, and in return I'll give you what you want in the future."

The tricky thing is, that video was largely metaphorical. The Man wanted to be taken away from "this place" where he was about to "change his path (give up gambling)." Tahm's deal was that he takes The Man away, but what Tahm really got was the chance to take him to a different place, one that would enable his gambling addiction. So after The Man got married, Tahm arrived and "ate the gifts, and house, and gold," but that wasn't literally Tahm, it was The Man's gambling addiction.

Tahm enabled The Man's addiction knowing that he would lose everything to it, even eventually his wife. Maybe his wife was killed by the people he couldn't pay back, and maybe his wife left him. Either way, Tahm succeeded in causing the most amount of misery possible in a single man.

I consider myself an expert on this kind of thing. [sg-ezreal]

SplisionOct 2, 20172 votes

I've read that explanation before and it makes sense, but I'm still left wondering how much is metaphorical considering Tahm says, "I snapped her bones and crushed her limbs...".

VeltoxOct 2, 20177 votes

She was beaten to death by loaners?

SolarisCorvusOct 2, 20171 votes

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But didn't Tahm eat the gambler's bride despite her not making the contract with him?

I just chalked it up to tahm eating the bride to cause the gambler misery and feed off of that. Tahm can physically eat whatever he wants but needs the suffering of others to nourish him.

TormentulaOct 2, 20174 votes

Personally, I thought Evelynn was infact feeding off vayne's agony.

Thinking about it, does "agony" have to relate to "pain", or could it be in an emotional sense of agony?

Imagine all the internal pain vayne was feeling looking at her dead parents and the demon standing before them. Evelynn probably smiled and revealed herself in demon form because she felt agony and she didn't have to allure vayne for it (it just came naturally) and the constant horror of that smile vayne keeps remembering according to her lore, probably fuels that emotion of agony.

Evelynn needs to fulfill a requirement to inflict agony (pain) but emotional agony she probably can leech without targeting them.

Basically eve got what she desired without her ignitial requirement, and because vayne would likely never fall for evelynn's charm after knowing what she did and what she is, Evelynn is just abusing the emotional agony from an individual she can never allure and kill, making a true long lasting victum to feast on.

DreamspitterOct 2, 20171 votes

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Personally, I thought Evelynn was infact feeding off vayne's agony.

Thinking about it, does "agony" have to relate to "pain", or could it be in an emotional sense of agony?

Imagine all the internal pain vayne was feeling looking at her dead parents and the demon standing before them. Evelynn probably smiled and revealed herself in demon form because she felt agony and she didn't have to allure vayne for it (it just came naturally) and the constant horror of that smile vayne keeps remembering according to her lore, probably fuels that emotion of agony.

Evelynn needs to fulfill a requirement to inflict agony (pain) but emotional agony she probably can leech without targeting them.

Basically eve got what she desired without her ignitial requirement, and because vayne would likely never fall for evelynn's charm after knowing what she did and what she is, Evelynn is just abusing the emotional agony from an individual she can never allure and kill, making a true long lasting victum to feast on.

I don't know. She's about Agony. Is Agony the same as Anguish?

One is generally regarded as physical, while the other is in the mind. Pain and Anguish.

PlacentasOct 1, 20172 votes

I dig this theory.

SplisionOct 2, 20172 votes

I think their is a possibility that Evelynn can kill people it's just that she needs to seduce them and be touched in order for her feed off of their agony, and since it is so easy for her to escape I don't think she has any intentions of killing a potential meal.

If she can't kill anyone without going through her process of seduction (even in self defense as you said) then I wonder how she intends to kill Vayne let alone feed off of her agony. Maybe Evelynn intends to use Vayne's own sadistic nature against her if that's the case.

Blood MagicksOct 2, 20172 votes

Vayne is straight.

AWWWW YISSS

[vlad-salute]

ArakadiaOct 2, 20173 votes

Of most females in League she would be one of the more interesting to have be attracted to at least females.

SpecterVonBarenOct 2, 20172 votes

Not really, she'd actually be one of the worst because of the whole stereotype that someone with Vayne's personality could only be attracted to a woman.

ArakadiaOct 2, 20171 votes

Remorseless, unfeeling killers can only be attracted to women is a stereotype?

Blood MagicksOct 2, 20171 votes

Yes, stone cold manhating psychopathic lesbian etc. pretty common stereotype in dudebro circles.

ArakadiaOct 2, 20171 votes

I know of man hating lesbians as a stereotype but not with psychotic killers as a tag.

Blood MagicksOct 2, 20171 votes

Vayne's just very mentally ill and hateful and lesbians are stereotyped as very mentally ill.

ArakadiaOct 2, 20171 votes

These stereotypes aren't a big enough deal nor should they be the deciding factors

Vayne also isn't a man hater.

Blood MagicksOct 2, 20171 votes

These stereotypes aren't a big enough deal nor should they be the deciding factors

Says who? Scores of lesbians are correctively raped and murdered every year in hate crimes.

ZedexOct 2, 20172 votes

Vayne almost gives off a gay vibe(imo) but i guess its not really that important. She's too busy killing demons and making plays to find love.

GrReaper96Oct 2, 20172 votes

Evelynn may be into bestiality but she sure ain't a pedbear

Nut on my ButtOct 2, 20172 votes

She does deal more damage if she procs her charm.

LevuOct 1, 20171 votes

Yeah lore is just like they want her ingame. Shes useless if she can't get her charm off.

Stars ShaperOct 2, 20171 votes

More than not being able I'd say she doesn't find any fun/lust in doing it and thus she would just skip it for the next time.

JaspersOct 2, 20171 votes

Doesn't she kill based on contracts? Her story not long ago hinted at this. The contract wasn't for Vayne, just her parents. Demons generally, while deceptive, keep to their word. It's just their words are usually twisted and confusing.

Right?

RozzetaOct 2, 20171 votes

Wait, so you're saying Evelynn seduced Vayne's mother?

Xodiathe4bdn1Oct 2, 20171 votes

Till her full bio comes and tells the exact requirements and means that she needs for her to inflict agony’s embrace on ALL sentient beings be they man woman or child Then yes let’s assume she seduced Evelynns mom

RozzetaOct 2, 20171 votes

Great. Now we need a meme of Evelynn losing to Vayne at CoD, and badmouthing accordingly.

DWT12345Oct 2, 20171 votes

I assume that Evelynn seduces people with magic, otherwise she would be useless against half of the population.

PokladnicaZlaOct 2, 20171 votes

If you read Evelynn's auotes she isn't all about physical agony or pain,but emotional as well.

KloqdqOct 2, 20171 votes

All the demons in Runeterra have some kind of requirement to my understanding to meet whatever their end goal is. Normally just feeding off the living. Nocturne is a weird one because he seems to do whatever the fuck he wants as a demon but yeah, Evelynn and Tahm both have a requirement to get what they want.

Vayne at that moment would likely never fall to whatever the hell Evelynn's requirement was and instead just enjoyed the side effects of what she did, even to this day as we can understand from her in game quotes directed to Vayne. Basically Evelynn can't get her requirement from Vayne so she just enjoys feeding off her inner misery.

But that does bring up an interesting talk about how the hell demons really work in League. Hope we see some answers once Evelynn's lore comes out.