The serpent god who Illaoi serves. I remember you saying even Aurelion Sol has met him before.
I'd love to hear more about him. Can you share a bit of what is in store for Nagakabouros?
RiotWAAARGHbobo6 votesHuh? I think your misquoting me, slightly - or maybe I explained it poorly- ASol knows Nagakabouros -- meaning he understands and is aware of that god. As powerful as ASol is, he's not on that level. --They don't hang.
In a story, Nagakabouros is a philosophy and an important religious belief. So hopefully it/her will show up indirectly in many of the upcoming stories-- esp those surrounding Bilgewater.
Personally, I'd love to do comics or novellas about Bilgewater. I love Illaoi, Gangplank, TF, Graves, and Lil' Okao holds a special place in my heart.
(And of course, I'd live to follow up on Jhin mission in Piltover.)
WarWork1 votesWhat's going on for lore in general the lore team has been pretty silent for a while
RiotWAAARGHbobo10 votesThe foundations team (we don't have a lore team) are updating the bios and hard at work on something.... I can't reveal.
WarWork1 votesokay just wanted to know you guys have be quite for a while thank you :3
DwarvenGiant1 votesCan't wait for more!
I feel like said thing you can't reveal is a new Runeterra map. Probably interactive and with super mega hologram-like or other kind of futuristic tech. :>
Lùmen1 votesPog Champ [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]
Chromatic Eagle2 votesI still don't understand why you guys won't say lore team. Foundations aren't just people doing character bios right? You plan on developing the story if/when you finish building up the world correct?
RiotWAAARGHbobo6 votesFoundations team does a lot of work outside of lore--- mostly worldbuilding stuff. 70% of their work is for internal riot R&D teams and direction for outside vendors.
(Also worth noting --most of Foundations Team are visual artists not writers)
"Lore work" i.e champion bios, and stories are OFTEN done by the Narrative members (i.e writers) on Foundations team, but not always. Narrative members of other product teams (myself included) help out and write stuff when we can.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesBut then wouldn't a narrative team be a lore team?
RiotWAAARGHbobo3 votesNope, 'cause some don't write lore at all and some others don't work on LoL. Narrative just means youre a writer for a creative team. What you write depends on what your team needs. (For example, I mostly help create new champions and write VO-- lore is a only a very small part of my time)
Crimson Anam1 votesNope, 'cause some don't write lore at all and some others don't work on LoL. Narrative just means youre a writer for a creative team. What you write depends on what your team needs. (For example, I mostly help create new champions and write VO-- lore is a only a very small part of my time)
Did you also write about Dark Star Thresh's VO? His background as a cosmic/reality destroyer was very interesting. Though, are we supposed to believe Thresh's claims, or was he just bluffing to throw people off the rails as to how powerful he really is? :P
Photos of Ghosts2 votesThe narrative discipline isn't a team because they don't work together - it's the thing that hires writers and sends them to, say, New Champion team, Announcements team, Events, Research&Development, etc.
So world exploration, history, languages, that's stuff for Foundations. Champ backstory is for Champion and CHampUp. Major interactions between champions in a historical event like GP's fall would likely be a cooperation of Champion/ChampUp with a dedicated Event team.
Crimson Anam1 votesHuh? I think your misquoting me, slightly - or maybe I explained it poorly- ASol knows Nagakabouros -- meaning he understands and is aware of that god. As powerful as ASol is he's not on that level. --They don't hang.
In a story, Nagakabouros is a philosophy, and an important religious belief. So hopefully it/her will show up indirectly in many of the upcoming stories-- esp those surrounding Bilgewater.
Personally, I'f love to do comics or novellas about Bilgewater. I love Illaoi, Gangplank, TF, Graves, and Lil' Okao holds a special place in my heart.(And of course, I'd live to follow up on Jhin mission in Piltover.)
Oops, I'm sorry WAAARGHbobo. I think the question about whether Sol and Naga crossed paths before was actually answered by another Rioter, during Sol Q&A. Your own explanation was likely the more detailed one about Sol and Illaoi's relationship (which was exactly in line with what you said again today).
So, yes I likely misquoted who explained which between similar topics. Sorry for the confusion! But thanks for dropping by to clarify and entertain these dumb questions; I appreciate a lot! Thank you! :D
Rebonack1 votesHuh? I think your misquoting me, slightly - or maybe I explained it poorly- ASol knows Nagakabouros -- meaning he understands and is aware of that god. As powerful as ASol is, he's not on that level. --They don't hang.
If memory serves, Sol is basically as old as the universe and built all the stars, right?
So to 'not be on that level' we would have to be treading into some big D Deity territory to describe NKB, is that right? I thought Riot was planning on trying to stay away supreme gods in their setting.
Sharjo1 votesNagakabouros can be attributed to being a Bradman esquire entity based on given information and interpretations, and you kinda don'the get bigger than that since we'recommend then talking about universe encompassing beings.
Meep Man3 votesWell, Naga is not a playable character (directly) and so therefore isn't really breaking this rule. However, Riot is fully capable of having beings so powerful that they are beyond being made in the game reasonably. A small chunk of Naga's power is what Illaoi uses and, as seen in-game, she is one of the most frightening champions to fight. She is the only champion that you actually have to dodge or die 99.9% of the time. That is all with just extremely small chunks of Naga's power. If Naga was a desert, Illaoi using less than a grain of sand to fight those she must fight. That is the extent of Naga's powers and that speaks wonders.
The main difference between Naga's and ASol's power is the fact that Naga is omnipresent and therefore nearly omnipotent. Naga exists in all things (excluding living beings although that is possible) and is therefore everywhere at once in small amounts. Aurelion Sol, while a god-like being that can create stars with a flick of his finger nearly, is not omnipresent and therefore not on Naga's level. It seems it takes "something" to awake Naga's power from the world around you since Illaoi requires her idol to summon Naga and point it/her in the right direction, so probably the only reason Naga isn't seen more or much more present in the events of the universe is because perhaps Naga itself/herself is, in a way, blind to what is not directly around whatever is the center of it/her. (?)
Rebonack2 votes[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HHlgv9Jo,comment-id=000100020001,timestamp=2016-11-03T12:45:35.409+0000)
Well, Naga is not a playable character (directly) and so therefore isn't really breaking this rule.
My impression of the previous statement wasn't so much 'we don't want God to be a playable character' and more 'we don't want to make a God in this setting at all'. And a Brahman-style All-Soul is hitting that nail right on the head, especially if said being is personal in any capacity rather than a force. God being absolutely immanent (permeating reality to the point that all things are a part of God in some capacity) is arguably a feature in more religions than not.
However, Riot is fully capable of having beings so powerful that they are beyond being made in the game reasonably. A small chunk of Naga's power is what Illaoi uses and, as seen in-game, she is one of the most frightening champions to fight. She is the only champion that you actually have to dodge or die 99.9% of the time. That is all with just extremely small chunks of Naga's power. If Naga was a desert, Illaoi using less than a grain of sand to fight those she must fight. That is the extent of Naga's powers and that speaks wonders.
Or perhaps a single grain of salt from the ocean, if we want a more nautical analogy.
The main difference between Naga's and ASol's power is the fact that Naga is omnipresent and therefore nearly omnipotent. Naga exists in all things (excluding living beings although that is possible) and is therefore everywhere at once in small amounts.
Right. That's more or less the standard difference between small g gods and big G Gods in most settings. Very powerful (though finite) beings versus infinite beings. I'm aware of the distinction, I'm just surprised Riot seems to be going that route after saying they weren't going that route. Hence my post fishing for clarification.
Aurelion Sol, while a god-like being that can create stars with a flick of his finger nearly, is not omnipresent and therefore not on Naga's level. It seems it takes "something" to awake Naga's power from the world around you since Illaoi requires her idol to summon Naga and point it/her in the right direction, so probably the only reason Naga isn't seen more or much more present in the events of the universe is because perhaps Naga itself/herself is, in a way, blind to what is not directly around whatever is the center of it/her. (?)
That's possible, I suppose? The question of why a God needs prayer or fetishes to accomplish something in the mortal world is always an interesting philosophical conundrum that says quite a bit about the being. Mostly I'm sitting here wondering if Naga is actually Eternal or just another primordial being like Kindred. Because once you step out of time things start getting interesting. There's always going to be something that's Eternal, even if it's just impersonal Law. But whatever that Eternal thing (or things) is goes a long way in defining the underlying basis of a setting.
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HHlgv9Jo,comment-id=000100020001,timestamp=2016-11-03T12:45:35.409+0000)
Well, Naga is not a playable character (directly) and so therefore isn't really breaking this rule. However, Riot is fully capable of having beings so powerful that they are beyond being made in the game reasonably. A small chunk of Naga's power is what Illaoi uses and, as seen in-game, she is one of the most frightening champions to fight. She is the only champion that you actually have to dodge or die 99.9% of the time. That is all with just extremely small chunks of Naga's power. If Naga was a desert, Illaoi using less than a grain of sand to fight those she must fight. That is the extent of Naga's powers and that speaks wonders.
The main difference between Naga's and ASol's power is the fact that Naga is omnipresent and therefore nearly omnipotent. Naga exists in all things (excluding living beings although that is possible) and is therefore everywhere at once in small amounts. Aurelion Sol, while a god-like being that can create stars with a flick of his finger nearly, is not omnipresent and therefore not on Naga's level. It seems it takes "something" to awake Naga's power from the world around you since Illaoi requires her idol to summon Naga and point it/her in the right direction, so probably the only reason Naga isn't seen more or much more present in the events of the universe is because perhaps Naga itself/herself is, in a way, blind to what is not directly around whatever is the center of it/her. (?)
Gameplay =/= Lore.
Fiora is even more annoying to fight against in 1v1, yet she is one of weakest, aka piece of trash in lore.
Lord Caelistis1 votesBeing an excellent duelist (remember that she defeated around 30 dudes without breaking a single sweat) isn't being a piece of trash. I'm pretty sure she would be fast and nimble enough to slip her rapier into Garen's throat without him being able to retalite in any meaning way, for exemple. I'm pretty sure she is the kind of anime-like duelist who flicks away bullets. She's not anywhere the divinity and divinity-enhanced level, but against human opponents, she's more than able to hold her ground.
You don't get to be in the League of Legends for nothing. Being the best duelist of Demacia AND a strong-ass-willed woman who doesn't take shit, unusually enough in Demacia, from anyone around her is more than a valid reason to be a legend.
RiotWAAARGHbobo1 votesHence the name of Illaoi's holy idol is "The Eye of God"
1Ferdinand11 votesSorry for the off topic, but there are news on the world map? It is a "work in progress" since the first Shurima rework...
Chromatic Eagle1 votesI find that weird considering we have literally death in the game. No, I don't mean Teemo.
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HHlgv9Jo,comment-id=000100020002,timestamp=2016-11-04T17:25:02.723+0000)
I find that weird considering we have literally death in the game. No, I don't mean Teemo.
There's an unbridgeable gap between primordial beings (as old as the concept they're related to) and Eternal beings. One is vast, though still finite. The other is not.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesThat's a weird distinction for me. What's the difference between Kindred, Bard, Tahm Kench (I know he's a demon), and Aurelion Sol.
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HHlgv9Jo,comment-id=00010002000200000000,timestamp=2016-11-05T14:39:09.875+0000)
That's a weird distinction for me. What's the difference between Kindred, Bard, Tahm Kench (I know he's a demon), and Aurelion Sol.
Well. Kindred is ostensibly immanent, though not eternal. Naga may or may not be eternal. I would love to get some clarification on that (fat chance). Sol, Bard, and Tahm don't appear to be immanent. They only seem to be able to exist in a single place at a time.
R0T0N1 votes"As powerful as ASol is, he's not on that level." Wait, so is Nagakabouros on a different level from even Aurelion Sol? Or is it the other way around?
Oakleaf Ranger1 votesIs there anyone else who is too cool for even Sol? Imagining Sol getting turned down for hanging out is highly amusing.
Crimson Anam2 votesIirc according to Cristina at the time, the skins were all just given their separate skin canons and alternate universes, unless they were specifically connected to Runeterra canon.
For example. Battlecast, Mecha, and PROJECT can be connected to Viktor's Evolution lore, but Scuba Gragas isn't. The Star Guardian obviously runs on its own release lore and alternate universe as well, as it can't fit with Runeterra's setting (modern country with middle school magical girls).
Ethereal3111 votesThe problem there is that Riot made the perfect excuse to NOT explore any hooks just as much as the excuse to explore any hook they want. "We are doing stuff that you don't know about, but we're doing stuff" is the general idea. The problem with your suggestion is that you already know what Nagakabouros does and can extrapolate the information you already have to fit any instance with Nagakabouros in it, therefore the creators do not have to 'effectively' come back and add further exploration.
Crimson Anam1 votesI was also curious about this but, what do you think Nagakabouros would think about the existence of aberrations like Dark Star entities (Thresh and Varus)? I think they also got mentioned by Aurelion Sol in his VO.
RiotKindlejack3 votesSkins are not part of the canon of Runeterra (unless specifically stated like Captain Fortune/Cutpurse TF/Cutthroat Graves) but I guess it's possible there are some evil Aurelion Sol types out there.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesSpeaking of, what about those Crimson Elite skins? Still canon?
RiotKindlejack4 votesAs far as I know they were never Canon. They were the Noxian version of the Commando skins - which were inspired by 80s action films such as Commando. I've always thought Talon looked more than a little like Captain Falcon. There was supposed to be 5 to match Commando but after Riven was also met with a lukewarm response the skin line was scrapped.
I'd love to go back and rework the Commando/Elite skins and finally finish the team; Soldiers vs Spies/Assassins seems like a very relevant thematic that could be done really well if we were to do it today.
Brutusness1 votesWhat about Tyrant Swain? That was canon I believe, while the JoJ was still running. Is that just an aesthetic right now until he his VGU and lore change comes around?
RiotKindlejack3 votesYeah i think that skin was representing Swain's rise to power as the head of Noxus which is a thing he totally did and has held power there ever since. There are more - Acolyte Lee Sin was during his days as a summoner in training, Lux used to go around stealing spells with her pre-launch W, Graves broke out of jail. Although they tend to be so old that they don't fit with the world as it now is. Lee Sin could only train to be a summoner by crawling out of the computer screen a'la Ring, Lux never actually shipped with her stealth ability, the jail Graves broke out of is more in line with the fantasy world of modern Runeterra than the Fortress-like cyber jail the artist imagined.
Monkeytender1 votesSo does that mean summoners have gone back to not really existing, lore-wise? I recall it being mentioned shortly after the retcon that summoners "still exist, just not how we are used to", so I'm curious if that was decided against.
RiotKindlejack3 votesWhen the ret-con happened my understanding of it was that Summoners and the Institute of War no longer were a part of the lore of Runeterra, but in the game LoL you are a summoner summoning your champion of choice from that world. Is there something like a summoner in the 2.0 Runeterra lore? I guess anything is still possible.
Decrit2 votesI love to think that a sort of IoW existed in modern Runeterra, only that Lee Sin destroyed it with the ritual he performed while an acolyte, the one that in pre-retcon devastated a village post-retcon devastates the IoW 2.0.
Not much plausible honestly but sounds fun xD
And dramatic. yeah.
ULTRAF0RCE1 votesActually I believe Jaraden said that while the Institute of War no longer exists at least at some point there were to be beings called summoners albeit not with the same stuff as the pre ret-con summoners. But I may be miss remembering
RiotKindlejack3 votesI try to follow the lore as much as anyone, but you could definitely be correct :)
Chromatic Eagle1 votesCould've sworn it was a lore thing. Thought it was mentioned in those JoJs.
ULTRAF0RCE2 votesGiven that JoJs aren't canon their canonicity would have been removed with Freljord event occuring if that had been the case.
Chromatic Eagle2 votesWhile things are up in the air about being retconned, they have said that most events are canon, but they have to rewrite things without the League.
ULTRAF0RCE2 votesI think there may have been some mention of the crimson elite in the JoJ but never anything saying that the skins were reflective of the "real" crimson elite but everything does say that they were to be the counter part to the commandos which don't look like they are canon.
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Eternya1 votesWhat about Crimson Elite Katarina? :/ You scrapped this skin years ago, and I think it has a lot of potential..