What the hell is going on?

DaKakVuZaebali·Jan 14, 2018·2 votes·764 views

Ok i cant make any better title for my question cz this one summs it up. What the hell is going on? I just found out what summoners are in garbage can with institute of war and it made me very sad and confused. I mean i had some logical point why i am fighting on Rift-like 3 mages are started this this fighting show with bunch of dudes to stop all wars and solve everything in nearly peacefull way bla-bla-bla... Now what i have? So im beating crap out of enemy Lucian as Annie sup cause she is worlds smallest racist? And he teammed with Tresh cz he is not in girls anymore? And i have giant space dragon as my jungler cz he have nothing better to do in his spare time?

Summoners are gone, old lore gone so why are champions fighting in rift? Can someone get me any official lore or explanation for League of Legends because i cant find anything on my own.

17 Comments

Ebonmaw DragonJan 14, 20185 votes

Champions do not fight in the rift, the game is not canon. Simple as that.

Warlord DienekesJan 14, 20182 votes

Well mate, you are several years late to this news.

Basically, Riot decided that they were separating lore from gameplay. There is no Institute of War. The champions, as far as we know, are not and never have fought on Summoner’s Rift. Other than some vague comments from rioters stating that summoners and a location like Summoner’s Rift do exist there is no reason to assume any of the old lore is relevant.

You are playing on Summoner’s Rift with a champion because you are playing a game. Nothing more.

And I know, that can be a little disappointing with how narratively synchronized games have been getting. With games like Dark Souls that bake all their mechanics into the lore. But, Riot decided they were not following that path.

Frankly, they decided that they did not want to be tied to the IoW, which really only lends itself to a pseudo-political sports narrative. Which, while theoretically interesting, the writers seemed not to know what they were doing with it which gave us things like a magazine discussing if Ashe was cheating on Tryndamere or other such trite bull.

Instead, they’re mostly focusing on location building and throwing in a bunch of ancient magical world ending threats tied to some more personal narratives. Not all the changes are good. Some aren’t even mediocre. But there is at least an attempt to make meaningful stories now.

DaKakVuZaebaliJan 14, 20181 votes

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Well mate, you are several years late to this news.

Basically, Riot decided that they were separating lore from gameplay. There is no Institute of War. The champions, as far as we know, are not and never have fought on Summoner’s Rift. Other than some vague comments from rioters stating that summoners and a location like Summoner’s Rift do exist there is no reason to assume any of the old lore is relevant.

You are playing on Summoner’s Rift with a champion because you are playing a game. Nothing more.

And I know, that can be a little disappointing with how narratively synchronized games have been getting. With games like Dark Souls that bake all their mechanics into the lore. But, Riot decided they were not following that path.

Frankly, they decided that they did not want to be tied to the IoW, which really only lends itself to a pseudo-political sports narrative. Which, while theoretically interesting, the writers seemed not to know what they were doing with it which gave us things like a magazine discussing if Ashe was cheating on Tryndamere or other such trite bull.

Instead, they’re mostly focusing on location building and throwing in a bunch of ancient magical world ending threats tied to some more personal narratives. Not all the changes are good. Some aren’t even mediocre. But there is at least an attempt to make meaningful stories now.

Peace of shit. No realy. One idiot on dev team said somethink like "-you know what guys what should we do? LETS FCKING TROUGH IN GARBAGE ALL OUR PLOT." And everyone was like "-Wow such a great idea!League fans surely gona like that". I mean really. What braindead could ether thought it is good idead to work on plot for more like 7 years and theyn just say what plot have 0 connections to the actual game. Pseudo-political my ass. I think it can be worst gamedev dessision riot ever made on this game. Jesus i was expecting what this lore change would be bad but this is just beoynd bad, its monumentaly stupid. Ps Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

Glory ln DeathJan 14, 20183 votes

Dude... The lore change happened, like, 5 years ago. And it was a good thing, too. We couldn't have many of the new champions in an Institute of War setting. How would we have Aurelion? Bard? Kindred? Fiddlesticks, Gragas, Maokai, Nocturne, etc were already really crappy and didn't make any sense in how they fit into the story.

Gragas' story was literally "Fat man brews beer near a magical area, and gets pulled onto the Rift randomly while drunk." What? So... the Institute was fine with randomly pulling people who just happened to be near certain areas of the world into a political death match that decided the fates of nations?!?!?

The Institute didn't make sense. It limited the lore and restricted the champions that could be introduced into the game.

KS King KenchJan 14, 20181 votes

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Dude... The lore change happened, like, 5 years ago. And it was a good thing, too. We couldn't have many of the new champions in an Institute of War setting. How would we have Aurelion? Bard? Kindred? Fiddlesticks, Gragas, Maokai, Nocturne, etc were already really crappy and didn't make any sense in how they fit into the story.

Gragas' story was literally "Fat man brews beer near a magical area, and gets pulled onto the Rift randomly while drunk." What? So... the Institute was fine with randomly pulling people who just happened to be near certain areas of the world into a political death match that decided the fates of nations?!?!?

The Institute didn't make sense. It limited the lore and restricted the champions that could be introduced into the game.

i thought the original fiddlesticks lore was because a summoner tried to use some forbidden summoning ritual and ended up with a fiddlesticks that killed him and his assistants..... i thought that is what i read anyway

DaKakVuZaebaliJan 14, 20181 votes

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i thought the original fiddlesticks lore was because a summoner tried to use some forbidden summoning ritual and ended up with a fiddlesticks that killed him and his assistants..... i thought that is what i read anyway

Yep,thats what it was. Now he is just a bunch of sitcks wich are slicing random people who accidently got on his field because reasons. What a nice plot.

Ebonmaw DragonJan 14, 20181 votes

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Yep,thats what it was. Now he is just a bunch of sitcks wich are slicing random people who accidently got on his field because reasons. What a nice plot.

Actually... In the new lore he was a farmer accused of bringing famine to his village, so, the village tied him up in his field to be eaten by the crows. But after dying, he was ressurrected and wants to kill everyone as revenge and to protect his field, or something like that.

https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/fiddlesticks-color-story/

Tell me, the old Fiddlesticks would be able to do something like that? No, because he was inside the IoW all the time.

DaKakVuZaebaliJan 14, 20181 votes

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Actually... In the new lore he was a farmer accused of bringing famine to his village, so, the village tied him up in his field to be eaten by the crows. But after dying, he was ressurrected and wants to kill everyone as revenge and to protect his field, or something like that.

https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/fiddlesticks-color-story/

Tell me, the old Fiddlesticks would be able to do something like that? No, because he was inside the IoW all the time.

Still dosent worth anything cause Fiddle is in the gmae but his plot is somewhere else.

Ebonmaw DragonJan 14, 20183 votes

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Still dosent worth anything cause Fiddle is in the gmae but his plot is somewhere else.

At least he has a plot now, because in the old lore he had no impact at all in the world because he was in the room of the IoW all the time, unable to leave, just like Brand, Renekton, ChoGath and Nocturne. The old lore had no actual place for those characters aside from "look at those cool characters, they cant do anything in the lore, they exist just to be used as your personal tool"

DaKakVuZaebaliJan 14, 20181 votes

Ok thats a good point man, But can you answhere me which of this 2 things sounds like good idea and which sounds like bad idea: 1)Rework bad plot 2)Rework bad plot AND THAT SAY WHAT PLOT IS NOT CONNECTED TO ACTUAL GAME

Why we could not just stop on option #1 and should move everything to the garbage can for no logical reason? Universe expansion is not the reason adequate, i mean realy.

My problem is not plot changes. My problem what game plot or scenario looses any logical sense if it cut from actual game. And while we had such huge plot device as "3-op-as-fck-mages-who-make-everyone-fight-by-rules" i cant see any logical reason too cut plot off. You want comepetely new lore for Fiddlesticks mr. gamedesiner? Sure, make it. You can do any character you want and make any plot you want, and connect it both to game lore and gameplay itself with this Institute of war and summoners, or AT LEAST YOU COULD THINK ABOUT ANY GOOD PLOT REASON OR DEVICE WHICH WOULD MAKE THIS LOGICAL. But no. Our devs just raise their arms like "nope we cant hold this sh it together, all plot goes to garbage, actual gameplay-is fanfiction not connected to actual characters". I mean realy if you have any care for league of legends universe and you ok with this?

Ebonmaw DragonJan 14, 20184 votes

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Ok thats a good point man, But can you answhere me which of this 2 things sounds like good idea and which sounds like bad idea: 1)Rework bad plot 2)Rework bad plot AND THAT SAY WHAT PLOT IS NOT CONNECTED TO ACTUAL GAME

Why we could not just stop on option #1 and should move everything to the garbage can for no logical reason? Universe expansion is not the reason adequate, i mean realy.

My problem is not plot changes. My problem what game plot or scenario looses any logical sense if it cut from actual game. And while we had such huge plot device as "3-op-as-fck-mages-who-make-everyone-fight-by-rules" i cant see any logical reason too cut plot off. You want comepetely new lore for Fiddlesticks mr. gamedesiner? Sure, make it. You can do any character you want and make any plot you want, and connect it both to game lore and gameplay itself with this Institute of war and summoners, or AT LEAST YOU COULD THINK ABOUT ANY GOOD PLOT REASON OR DEVICE WHICH WOULD MAKE THIS LOGICAL. But no. Our devs just raise their arms like "nope we cant hold this sh it together, all plot goes to garbage, actual gameplay-is fanfiction not connected to actual characters". I mean realy if you have any care for league of legends universe and you ok with this?

The problem with the IoW is that they were way too op for the lore and they prevented any kind of problem and progression that the world could have, with ease.

A giant void monster that can destroy the whole world is appearing in Runeterra? No problem, just put him on our magical jail and nothing will happen.

Two of the biggest factions are starting a war? Nope, our summoners stop them.

A giant crocodile from another planet wants to kill our "employee" (slave) and already defeated 6 of our powerfull champions? Nope, our summoners can stop him and imprison him forever in less than a second.

2 mortal enemies are in the same team but they want to kill each other? Too bad that we have complete control over them. What if they want to do that outside the field of justice? Nothing, because we can actually ressurect people if they die, even outside of the field... but we are put them in jail for trying anyways.

This dude is really evil, a danger to the planet as a whole, kills people everyday for fun and does crimes against humanity? No problem if he wants to fight in the fields of Justice and help us... so, he can keep killing people and doing horrible things outside of the fields, we are so op that even if he tries to be against us, we could stop him... But we wont right now because we dont want to, even if he is killing inocents all the day.

The ruler of a nation is a good fighter? okay, he will be our puppet even if he should have more important things to do.

Tons of games dont consider gameplay for the lore, LoL is not the first and wont be the last.

There are a lot of characters that would make no sense in the old lore, and some of them are even old ones: AurelionSol Bard Chogath Diana DrMundo Evelynn Gangplank Hecarim Elise Kalista Karthus Thresh Jhin Jinx Kindred Khazix Lissandra Mordekaiser Nocturne Graves Ornn RekSai Renekton Shaco TahmKench Veigar Xerath Zac Zoe

The only way to explaining them would be the old "Yeah, summoners are more powerfull than them, so they force to do things that they dont want to"

DaKakVuZaebaliJan 14, 20181 votes

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The only way to explaining them would be the old "Yeah, summoners are more powerfull than them, so they force to do things that they dont want to"

Still bad plot remowal is not argument for cutting out the plot entirely. They realy have enough fantasy to make giant space dragon which is friend to immortal time travelking girl but cant find a plot to hold this game together? Also what was making league original in some thing what it actualy had connections between gameplay and lore. And more of it-any games with good lore are always consider connections between lore and gameplay. I could have dealt with it if atlest there was good reason to do so, reason here is "we just dont want to have any connections between game and its lore,gtfo".

Ebonmaw DragonJan 14, 20184 votes

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Still bad plot remowal is not argument for cutting out the plot entirely. They realy have enough fantasy to make giant space dragon which is friend to immortal time travelking girl but cant find a plot to hold this game together? Also what was making league original in some thing what it actualy had connections between gameplay and lore. And more of it-any games with good lore are always consider connections between lore and gameplay. I could have dealt with it if atlest there was good reason to do so, reason here is "we just dont want to have any connections between game and its lore,gtfo".

Actually Aurelion Sol is not friend of Zoe.

Anyways, can you tell me... What was the exact plot of the old lore? Because as far as i know it was: Summoners dont let anyone do anything that they dont want, so, nothing important can happen because the summoners will stop it.

That is not interesting, that is no progression, that is nothing more than a excuse for having random characters to fight each other. Because in the end, they were unable to do anything.

Even if i love the old lore of Renekton, its a perfect example of why the old lore was a problem: He was a godlike being from another world with godlike powers who got imprisoned by the summoners, unable to do anything against it and he was going to be in prison forever, unable to interact with anyone at all. He wasnt part of the "plot", he wasnt an actual character, he was just there to be used as a tool and nothing more.

The old lore was forcing the characters to do things that they didnt wanted to do, and that was not good for the progression of the lore.

DaKakVuZaebaliJan 14, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Glory ln Death,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EtMUrFlA,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-01-14T17:40:12.411+0000)

Dude... The lore change happened, like, 5 years ago. And it was a good thing, too. We couldn't have many of the new champions in an Institute of War setting. How would we have Aurelion? Bard? Kindred? Fiddlesticks, Gragas, Maokai, Nocturne, etc were already really crappy and didn't make any sense in how they fit into the story.

Gragas' story was literally "Fat man brews beer near a magical area, and gets pulled onto the Rift randomly while drunk." What? So... the Institute was fine with randomly pulling people who just happened to be near certain areas of the world into a political death match that decided the fates of nations?!?!?

The Institute didn't make sense. It limited the lore and restricted the champions that could be introduced into the game.

Oh thats a good point... Oh wait it not. CAuse Gragass plot dosent affect anything in game since its not connected to it in any form-(funny thing character plot dose not connected at all to actual game) thus dosent make sense and it matters not now how good or bad it was or it will be. Cause league is in one dimmension but all of its characters in another. And they have 0 connection. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Blaiz FenixJan 14, 20182 votes

IIRC Riot has said that Summoners still exist in the new lore to some extent, but they haven't revealed how.

FourIsTheNumberJan 14, 20181 votes

Game is no longer canon. Riot decided that basing all champions off the institute of war was limiting their champion design and lore.

TyrsalJan 14, 20181 votes

Lore was eliminated to "free up story space and provide more interesting stores".... yeah, about that.. so many stories we couldn't have told with all that old lore, woo.