Title. Very odd that when a big change happens to a champ like new lore, the way they look, and kit, they sometimes get some new vo to back it up. So just wondering why some updates like I said MF, fiora, and shen don't get it. Heck even purely visual ones like Alistar, singed, and Morgana got no changes even though they have like maybe 10 voicelines in general
Blood Magicks3 votesPresumably because Riot thinks the old VO is good enough, but only in some cases.
MiIf Fortune3 votesI do agree that fioras, mfs, and shes are good! I just feel that they could use more y'know? Mf and shen have around 1 mintue of vo and fiora has 2. For singed, alistar, and morg who got their own little site for their minor visual update, i think they really coulda used more vo than they already have
Avarosan Bonnie1 votesI just feel that they could use more y'know? Mf and shen have around 1 mintue of vo and fiora has 2. For singed, alistar, and morg who got their own little site for their minor visual update, i think they really coulda used more vo than they already have
Especially when you compare them to newer champs who have taunts and phrases specific to other characters and items. I think Cutest hit it here, sometimes the VO is just too good to change. As much as I would LOVE new lines for my dear MF, if they changed her VO I would not be happy.
Tesla Effect2 votesI would just have liked if they had more voice over lines and interactions with other champions....and if they can add a recall animation.
Jeddy0172 votesBecause a new VO was out of scope for those updates. Similar to how they didn't receive a new set of animation, they still have the same emotes no recall. Fiora & Shen receieved meduim scale updates, so they were never intended to have all the changes that came with the large scale updates. As for MF, she 1st received a VU with very minor gameplay changes, the received the actual rework months later. So updates weren't do all together.
Ryze & Trist were larger scale updates where they were intended to have a new VO & new set of animations along with the rest of their VGU. The same thing happened to GP, Sion, Poppy & Taric.
RiotReav36 votesThis. We have decided to cut out the medium scope updates though, going forward. In the future (at least for now) we plan on doing the full treatment for all our VGUs and leaving the smaller scope stuff to the class updates.
Valor Bot1 votesAre there any plans to revisit, at some point in the future, those Champions who received medium scope updates but never got new VO lines like the others, etc? I know there are even some who don't have a recall animation yet which kinda stinks.
RiotReav32 votesNot at the moment, no, but this doesn't mean we wouldn't consider it for the future.
redfeenix1 votesAHEM 
Actually lemme track down Meddler and start pestering him about 's Totem.
Maybe if I bug him enough he can make some changes to make him more satisfying thematically
[slayer-jinx-catface]
BTW I forget if you're the dude doing the assassins; but I hope you will consider adjusting their core items as well. More items like the Duskblade might be cool for them.
Perhaps AD assassins could benefit from a STASIS item effect. That way they can go in, blow their cooldowns on a squishy. Pop their Stasis (for 1 second) and wait for the team to collapse.
Mages have the hourglass, I think AD assassins may benefit from: Dagger of Time
Dagger of Time: 
+
. Effect: Place your Champion in Stasis for 1 second.
Or maybe more melee items with CDR, currently we only have: 
Cheers
RiotReav33 votesHey Redfeenix,
Champion Update is working on the Assassins but not the items. The big class updates are usually worked on by multiple teams at Riot. We will be handling the kit updates to the Assassins but the systems team will handle the items. I will pass that info along though!
redfeenix1 votesAh that's neat I shoulda figured this class update would be a multi team effort. I knew there were several design teams but wasn't aware of a systems team. Besides item balance / new items, I wonder what else they work on .
Thanks for reading have a great day!
RiotReav32 votesThe Core Gameplay Initiative consists of 5 teams. Champion Update, New Champions, Systems, Live Gameplay (Balance) and the Playtest team (Challenger level players that test our stuff)
redfeenix1 votesThat's interesting thanks for sharing :) I'll track down a systems rioter and ask what they do. The other teams are self explanatory but systems is a rather vague name, ID be curious to ask them what all they do in that team.
Thanks for sharing insight into your organization pal ! Now I need you to grab your phone and leak some pictures of the new Yorick... For science!
Cheers :)
RiotReav31 votesLol about the Yorick Pics :)
The systems team works on big systemic changes (like keystone masteries or jungle changes like scuttle crab) and also the items.
For example, other then just Assassin Items, if we end up reworking how stealth works in our game, the systems team would work on that.
redfeenix1 votesWhoa that's pretty neat, can you name anyone in that team ? They sound like they deal with the larger macro game compared to the specific intricate details of live balance.
Cheers
RiotReav31 votesSure, here are some Dev Corner posts from some of them in the past.
ULTRAF0RCE1 votesWait wouldn't Champion Update need to work on it as well, because stealth, similar to shields, and movement speed boosts aren't systems that are independant in most cases from a champions kit. A stealth revamp would require changes to all champs using it, especially evelynn, twitch and rengar who all have a stealth that lasts over 2 seconds and is often a large part of their engage and a major part of how they are balanced.
RiotReav31 votesWe work with them and talk all the time. They work on the system, and we would make any changes to the champions that need to be made as a result of any changes to systems/itemization's. Champion, Champion Updates, Systems, Live Gameplay and the Playtest team are all part of one larger team called Core Gameplay.
ULTRAF0RCE1 votesok, I kind of expected that but am glad that is how it works, hope you have a nice day.
Linna Excel1 votesWhy cut out the medium scope updates?
Volcanuz1 votesNunu needs some love, maybe not VGU but a damn rework is in order. His kit is god awful.
Photos of Ghosts2 votesHe's in line for a VGU. As such, if a roster update including him would be to appear before his turn comes, the work on him would be pretty minor. Also, what kind of class does he belong to anyway lels.
MiIf Fortune1 votessorry for the very late response, but i read maybe in a reddit post or here, a rioter responded to a comment saying how it was weird that mf didnt get new vo "Weird i was sure she got new one for the event". Any full reason she didnt get it? seemed appropriate for the big event and stuff but i still love her vo so its fine
RiotReav31 votesIt really comes down to our narrative resources at the time. At that time we only had 1 narrative writer on Champ Up (We have 2 now!) When it comes to VO our narrative guys have to create a audition description, run auditions, find a VO actor (or in some cases use the same one), write hundreds of lines that go through tons of feedback and iteration. Then they have to record all the VO, usually over multiple sessions (And in many cases we have to re-record multiple times to get something right.) At the time Glorft was doing all of this for basically 2 characters (Gangplank and Captain Gangplank,) so we just didn't have the bandwidth. Couple that with the fact that Glorft was also in early discovery of Taric's lore at the same time and you can see how it would have been difficult to throw MF on top of all this and have it still come out high quality.
MiIf Fortune1 votesOh I understand, it must have been crazy to do two different sets of vo. I was making a voice pack for taliyah so she sounds like sakari from dawngate because her skin is literally her and I saw she had something crazy like 330 lines, and they are all so good so doing something like that for MF when already doing GPS vo, those Aram shop keepers , and the announcer I guess would be too much or it would be kinda rushed and shitty. Didn't realize how much work goes into vo work! Sorry for one extra question but I never seen this answered, is there a reason why Project fiora and leona having just 1 extra line of vo that isn't in their base voicelines? I always found that odd
RiotReav31 votesSorry, wish I could answer your question, but since Skins team did those and not Champion Update I don't really have a lot of insight into there process.
Ultîma3 votesTBH calling Fiora a medium-scale update is really insane.
They changed every single aspect of her kit heavily. New Fiora has less in relation with Old Fiora than Gangplank with his own rework - and Riot largely considers him to be a "larger rework". Plus model, animations, and art rework, I really can't see a reason why she didn't get a new VO other than that Riot arbitrarily decided against it. Same goes for MF, who got a rework around the Bilgewater event - a narrative piece largely focused around her.
Why can't line recording and implementation be a separate entity tied to the narrative department rather than being strictly reserved for VGUs? It's extremely limiting, and as it stands Riot doesn't even seem to do voice-work for all champions that get a rework. There's no excuse why Shen is stuck with the same 12-or-so lines, and that Vlad is stuck being a ridiculous punomancer after both of their extensive reworks.
Photos of Ghosts1 votesWell, MF got really close to nothing.
GreenLore1 votesIt depends on how much they change their animations. Shen,Fiora and Miss fortune barely had any new animations,while Ryze and tristana were pretty much remade from the ground up.
Vanjie1 votesLet's ask 
. Nope. Question answered. This is proof that the update and balance team are VERY lazy. They have no problem working 7 times on Ryze though.