Juggernauts for Targon and Piltover?

EbonyBladeJ88··3 votes·1,048 views

Looking at the current line-up of Juggernauts in League of Legends, I've realized that two regions are missing a Juggernaut in their champion pools.

These two regions are Targon and Piltover. One could also include the Void, but since the most recent Champion Roadmap says we're getting a new ADC from there, we probably shouldn't expect a new one from that region any time soon.

So this is basically just a brainstorming session for ideas that could be used for Juggernauts that might come from the two above named regions, which currently lack one in their existing champion pools.

Some ideas I had for Targon, were as follows:

Mount Targon is basically Mount Olympus, Runeterra style. So I was thinking that a Juggernaut from that region would probably have to take some cues from Greek mythology, legends and so on. One thing they could do is take things like the Epic Odyssey, or the story of Theseus or any other number of Greek legends, stories or myths and spin their usual LOL style on it. Riot could take inspirations from characters based around that idea, like for example Sophitia or Cassandra from the Soulcalibur series, who use short swords and small shields and are from Greece in that game series. Ancient Greek Military often focused around combat between individuals, which lines up very well with the "Duelist" or "strong in 1V1 fights" theme that the Juggernauts often portray. They used spears and shields (Though Pantheon already takes the shield and spear part) as well as short swords. Javelins, bows and other similar weapons formed their ranged capabilities. But since Juggernauts are mainly melee (With the exception of Urgot since his rework) let's try to keep this hypothetical Targon Juggernaut melee-ranged.

A sword, aside from the commonly seen Gladius or other similar short swords that Greeks used were known as Kopis. They were similar to the Roman-based Falcatas, or very akin to Kukris of modern-day. They looked something like the following two images.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Iron_machaira_%28sword%29_MET_SF2001346.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Falcata_%C3%ADbera_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01_vertical.jpg

(If these pictures aren't showing, let me know and I'll try to fix the link or find alternate images)

Since Pantheon has the spear-wielder spot occupied, perhaps our hypothetical Targonian Juggernaut could wield this style of sword, or perhaps the more commonly seen Gladius. Either one could work.

For Piltover, SatomiKun had the following basic idea for a Piltover Juggernaut in another thread of mine: "Piltover could have some form of battle machine.... Maybe a hextech vehicle with heavy armor and weaponry, or someone wearing a heavy battle suit." -SatomiKun

It would obviously have to involve some type of technological aspect, considering Piltover's pseudo-futuristic nature. Perhaps it could be Hex-Tech related, perhaps not. I'm really pulling a blank with Piltover, unfortunately. Rumble (Although he's not affiliated with Piltover, rather he's Bandle City) kind of already takes the "Battle-Suit" spot with his machine Tristy, at least in my opinion. So it would probably have to be something else. Jayce also takes the "Huge Weapon" idea with his Mercury Hammer/Cannon. Vi also kind of does with her huge gauntlets/fists. This is the one that really needs more help. Targon has countless forms of inspiration with the wide array of things to take from Greek mythology, legends and so on.

So I'd like to see what ideas my fellow community members can come up with, for both Targon and Piltover.

27 Comments

Chembaron Yamada5 votes

Nice that you made this to an own discussion. ^^


While I see where you are coming from with the Gladius idea for Targon, it doesn't really fit the "gigantic fighter who let's the earth tremble" idea you had in your last thread. You mentioned Sophitia and Cassandra, they both look way more like swift and mobile fighters, than a big unstoppable, yet immobile force.

Regarding Greek mythology, what about.... reworking a champion into Targons juggernaut? Malphite could be a Targonian champion, he needs a new lore anyway. And he could be kinda inspired by one of the titans in Greek mythology.

One version of his lore in the past was that he was a member of an ancient alien rock species. They could partially keep that, he is a secret weapon of Mount Targon, an ancient being and he gets sent to Runeterra as a meteorite.


Piltover is extremely hard to think of anything.... either the trope is already taken (like you mentioned, Rumble and Jayce for example) or the design would naturally fit better into Zaun....

Let's try another approach. What would be a character type that I would connect to the concept of a Piltover Juggernaut. I think we could use a criminal.

Piltover has Caitlyn and Vi (Piltover's Finest) ensuring law in the city. The only mentions in the lore for villains they are fighting are Jinx (who is a Zaunite occasionally visiting Piltover) and C (Camille). However, Jinx is just out there for fun and Camilles intentions are not evil, she wants to protect the city in her own way.

Having a truly evil character from Piltover would be great. A new criminal for them to fight, someone who intentionally wants to harm people, a murderer for example.

Something like the "Jack the Ripper" of Piltover. I know that Jayce already has the heavy hextech weapon, but it's really hard to think of a Juggernaut without such. My take would be a hextech chainsaw.

Yes, it would kinda be a heavy hextech weapon, but I think the sheer brutality would make it different from Jayce. It lacks the elegance which is usually inherent of hextech weapons, the crystals are just there to fuel a truly terrifying, flesh tearing piece of engineering.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

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Nice that you made this to an own discussion. ^^


While I see where you are coming from with the Gladius idea for Targon, it doesn't really fit the "gigantic fighter who let's the earth tremble" idea you had in your last thread. You mentioned Sophitia and Cassandra, they both look way more like swift and mobile fighters, than a big unstoppable, yet immobile force.

This is true. I was just trying to keep to the theme that Mount Targon is inspired by. I also was trying to make sure existing weapons weren't recycled. I mean, considering this is made up anyways, they don't HAVE to keep EXACTLY to the inspirational material. They could make the Targon Juggernaut wield some other weapon that might not have been affiliated with Greek mythology, but like I said, just trying to make sure existing weapon tropes weren't recycled. That still doesn't mean they can't. But just for the sake of clarity, let's look at some...

Darius : Uses a Axe, basically like an executioner's guillotine. He's even got Guillotine in his ult's name.

Mordekaiser : Uses a huge mace.

DrMundo : Uses a Meat Cleaver, kind of as a parody of Horror movie tropes. (Just my take on his style)

Garen : Uses a big, two-handed sword, akin to a Longsword or a Zweihander.

Illaoi : Uses the idol as a bludgeoning device.

Trundle : Uses a Club or Cudgel.

Yorick : He basically turned his Shovel into his weapon.

Urgot : Uses an arm-cannon, I kind of think of it as a "Corrupted/Mutated" version of Mega Man.

Nasus : Uses his staff/axe.

Voli, Shyvana and Udyr use their bare hands. So I was just trying to think of a new weapon this hypothetical Targonian Juggernaut could use. They could use a similar weapon to one's they've had before, I was just trying to be new and creative since that's something they often try to be when creating new champs, whether they are Juggernauts or not.

Regarding Greek mythology, what about.... reworking a champion into Targons juggernaut? Malphite could be a Targonian champion, he needs a new lore anyway. And he could be kinda inspired by one of the titans in Greek mythology.

One version of his lore in the past was that he was a member of an ancient alien rock species. They could partially keep that, he is a secret weapon of Mount Targon, an ancient being and he gets sent to Runeterra as a meteorite.

Not bad, and while I'm not discounting the possibility, since he's currently a tank, they'd probably want to keep him as one. That's just my take on it, sorry if I'm bursting your bubble with the old Reality card.

The idea of a Titan-esque being as a Juggernaut could work, though. It really is a good idea.


Piltover is extremely hard to think of anything.... either the trope is already taken (like you mentioned, Rumble and Jayce for example) or the design would naturally fit better into Zaun....

Let's try another approach. What would be a character type that I would connect to the concept of a Piltover Juggernaut. I think we could use a criminal.

Piltover has Caitlyn and Vi (Piltover's Finest) ensuring law in the city. The only mentions in the lore for villains they are fighting are Jinx (who is a Zaunite occasionally visiting Piltover) and C (Camille). However, Jinx is just out there for fun and Camilles intentions are not evil, she wants to protect the city in her own way.

Having a truly evil character from Piltover would be great. A new criminal for them to fight, someone who intentionally wants to harm people, a murderer for example.

Something like the "Jack the Ripper" of Piltover. I know that Jayce already has the heavy hextech weapon, but it's really hard to think of a Juggernaut without such. My take would be a hextech chainsaw.

Yes, it would kinda be a heavy hextech weapon, but I think the sheer brutality would make it different from Jayce. It lacks the elegance which is usually inherent of hextech weapons, the crystals are just there to fuel a truly terrifying, flesh tearing piece of engineering.

An idea of a truly evil Piltover character could really work! A chainsaw can bring forth some of the brutality Juggernauts are known for too. His CC could even be a fear to match with that terrifying notion. Darius and Urgot have fear-CC with their Ults, so the Piltover Juggy could do the same. Darius even has a chainsaw-like theme to his axe in his Dreadnova skin, and Urgot does with his deadly grinders in both his base and other skins. The idea has been established, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

MagicFlyingLlama3 votes

I have a feeling bandle city is due for the retcon hammer, and a lot of the hextech-related yordles are going to be relocated to piltover. Corki and Rumble definitely need visual upgrades..

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

That's probably true, but as it now stands, I felt compelled to mention the facts surrounding Rumble and Piltover.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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I have a feeling bandle city is due for the retcon hammer, and a lot of the hextech-related yordles are going to be relocated to piltover. Corki and Rumble definitely need visual upgrades..

I think that the existence of Tristana assures us that Bandle City will be still a faction of Runeterra, and related to hextech... Since she directly mentions Bandle City and being a soldier of the city is a big part of her character. (Same could be said about Rumble (and he hates Humans, specially from Piltover), but Tristana is a more recent example since she was updated)

GreenLore1 votes

Well I could see Rumble ending up in Zaun,with his hatred for humans being retconned into a hatred for Piltovians instead. Though his relationship with Tristana is rather key to his character,so I guess it'd be odd to remove him from the bandle roster(then again,there are secret pathways to bandle city,so maybe one of those lies in zaun,making it easy for yordles to move between the factions?)

But for this he'd likely need a VGU to make his mech actually look like its from Zaun.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Well I could see Rumble ending up in Zaun,with his hatred for humans being retconned into a hatred for Piltovians instead. Though his relationship with Tristana is rather key to his character,so I guess it'd be odd to remove him from the bandle roster(then again,there are secret pathways to bandle city,so maybe one of those lies in zaun,making it easy for yordles to move between the factions?)

But for this he'd likely need a VGU to make his mech actually look like its from Zaun.

Even if im a fan of Zaun and Rumble is one of my favorite champions, I dont agree that he should be retconned into a Zaunite... Its not about his relationship with Tristana being key to his character, but his relationship with Bandle City as a whole is what makes Rumble, Rumble, because he, unlike 70% of the yordles, he is one of the few yordles that are proud of being from Bandle City (Tristana and Teemo are the other 2)... so, changing him into a Zaunite would go totally against his character.

But then I remember that Riot has changing their characters a lot, so who knows.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

Why not a Rakkori warrior who climbed the mountains, and nothing happened. Rather than mole about it, they hone their bodies to keep up with the aspects. With Pantheon’s retcon, we don’t have a human badass warrior from Targon.

Piltover could have a mech powered by the Bracken crystal. Something goes wrong, and the souls inside awaken. We don’t have a legion style champion besides maybe Kalista.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

That one could work. It would probably HAVE TO be someone from the Rakkor. Perhaps they could be a person who became curious about Atreus's disappearance?

Could be a mech, could be just a weapon like Jayce's Mercury Hammer. I see what you're getting at with the Legion thing, but, I'm not sure if that fits thematically for a pseudo-futuristic city like Piltover. Also, a "Legion" mentality could be applied to Yorick, since he raises the souls and bodies of the dead to fight for him.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

A foreign species trapped in a foreign body in a foreign land? I feel like it could work because it doesn't fit. I'm more invested into the Targon warrior anyway.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

While I can understand your greater investment in a Targonian Juggernaut, I don't know (I could be wrong) if we'll be seeing another Targon champ for a bit since we just got Zoe relatively recently.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Well obviously lol but it's nice to think about this stuff. There's a lot of concepts that Riot hasn't done yet.

Warlord Scrap1 votes

Why couldnt we get a second mech based champ though showing different aspects. Also rumble feels too wonky for a piltover champ.( not disrespect i main him.) Honestly a second mech pilot champ would be cool. This time with a more clean mech ala sg rumble.

For the targon juggernaunt what if it took more of a mid ranged champ with whips. No thresh is a whip based champ. And currently no champion uses an actual whip. I know its not a real combat weapon but neither are quite a few champs.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

Never said that the Piltover Juggernaut COULDN'T be a Mech, I just thought that Rumble already filled that niche with Tristy.

I actually uploaded a champion concept of that ideal here. Called him Morgenstern, and he used a whip with interchangeable balls or tips every time he visited the shop. Each time he changed the ball, he couldn't change it again for a couple of minutes. I took inspiration from Viktor's upgradable item, as well as video game characters that have wielded whips, like the Belmonts from Castlevania, mainly. He wasn't from Targon, per se in his lore, but the idea could work there.

HonestJohnTheCon1 votes

Yeah, new juggernauts for those two regions would be nice. New assassins from those two regions as well.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

Just noticed the lack and figured, why not bring it up?

GreenLore1 votes

We are also lacking a bandle city juggernaut(no Rumble is considered a battlemage),so to fill up these missing juggernauts I'd suggest: Targon I think a roman gladiator could be a good fit for a juggernaut,I mean gladiators are often depicted as big muscular guys,so that would be rather fitting. The only problem I see with that concept is that it would also fit really well into Noxus,as they are known to have an arena with gladitorial fights.

The gladius and shield idea is neat,but I don't think it would really fit a juggernaut,the short sword would look a bit too scrawny.

Satomikuns idea of making Malphite a Targon champ could also work really well

Piltover I think your ideas are already pretty good. A champ in power armor could easily make a good juggernaut fitting for Piltover(Rumble uses a mech,not a power suit,a power suit would be more similar to Iron mans suit) And a champ in some sort of vehicle(I imagine a yordle in a small tank,I mean Urgot proved that ranged juggernauts aren't impossible)

Alternatively I think that a combat robot could also work out.I mean sure we already have blitzcrank as a robot,but that doesn't mean we can't have different robots in the game(I mean Orianna is pretty much a robot too),so having Bc as a work robot,Orianna as a robotic doll,I'd say that it would be possible to add a third robot champ with a more combat oriented one.

Bandle City Honestly this is rather hard to think about because we know so little about Bandle city. I mean Corki is listed as a Bandle city champ,but his lore says he now lives in Piltover,so I dunno if the yordle tank idea would make much sense for a bandle city champ.And I kinda feel like Rumble could be retconned to be a zaunite yordle who keeps the contact with Tristana through these "magical passages" that are mentioned in some of the lore-trivia bits. So I'm not really sure how technological stuff really fits with Bandle city anymore.

The void While it is unlikely for us to get a void juggernaut this year(though not impossible,I mean last year we got 3 ionia champs),I'd still like to speculate what we could get in the future. First of all I think it is possible that once Cho'gath gets his VGU eventually,he might get reworked into a juggernaut.(I was actually surprised that Cho'gath wasn't considered a juggernaut in the first place,but I guess his Q has too much range for that).

Anyway a void juggernaut shouldn't be too difficult to make. For example a sibling of Kha'zix,who ate different creatures and evolved differently into a form that resembles bugs,like the rhino beetle or scarabs. Or just flat out give us a mutated animal,like a crabmonster(ok that would likely be too similar to the rift herald),a mutated rhino/elephant vastaya a mutated dragon that turned into a hydra due to the void,etc.

So yeah lots of possibilities here.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

The problem with a third robot in my opinion: backgrounds.

Blitzcrank is a robot who became conscious over time, Orianna was once a human who replaced all her organic parts with hextech.

To make the new robot champion distinct enough from these, we would need another background, while still giving the robot own thoughts. It can't just be a robot fulfilling its program, that wouldn't be a champion, just a tool.

Only possibility in my mind would be a hextech golem, which has an awakened hextech crystal. The brackern is in control of the golem now and has to deal with the fact that he is trapped in a mechanical body.


While I like that backstory, I would chose it for another hextech device in cooperation with another champion. A third robot isn't a really great option in my opinion.

GreenLore2 votes

The background would be a bit tricky,but I'd say it would be possible. I mean you already proposed a possibility and in the end they could always make it so that it is magic/spirit related. After all there ought to be some mages and spirits even in piltover and if spirits can posess trees (Maokai ) then why not machines as well?

AlienPrimate1 votes

I have said this before on different threads. Taric is the Targonian juggernaut. If he builds something along the lines of item 3025 item 3748 item 3068 item 3065 item 3075 he plays exactly like a juggernaut. There are very few champions who can 1v1 him, he has durability and damage, he lacks mobility, and he wants to pound your face in with his passive.

EbonyBladeJ882 votes

He PLAYS that way when you BUILD him that way perhaps. He's not DESIGNED to function as a Juggernaut. Before you get into the "X Champion could also function as a Juggernaut when you build them X way" argument, I already know that one champion people often put forward as part of that argument is Chogath , especially after his small-scale rework that gave him scaling damage with his ult, which also deals TRUE damage, a component part of a number of Juggernaut's kits (Darius ult, Garen Villain passive and so on). But, yes, there's always a BUT, according to the Subclass listings, Neither Cho or Taric fall under the Juggernaut label. As of this time of writing, Cho'Gath is a "Specialist", and Taric is a "Enchanter".

The descriptions for these classes are as follows; first, the Specialists:

Specialists are a diverse group of champions who do not "fit into a neat little box" in regards to other class/subclass specifications.The majority of these champions were once part of other sub-classes but were reclassified in the V7.10 update, including a large number of champions from the former Zoner subclass of Controller. As a consequence, many Specialists exhibit "zone control" either as a dominant or secondary attribute, including many of the pre-7.10 Specialists.

A Zone Controller is a champion whose influence is limited either to telegraphed zones—such as Arise! Azir's Soldiers and Time Bomb—or a persistent threat that is dependent on cooldown knowledge—such as Feast, Chronoshift or Crowstorm. The latter type of Zone Controller is comparable in their psychological threat to a Juggernaut, except that this threat largely diminishes once the problematic ability is known to be on cooldown.

So in that regard, Cho can have traits comparable to a Juggernaut, but does not OFFICIALLY count as a Juggernaut. Perhaps his VGU (Whenever that is in the future, if at all) will OFFICIALLY place him with the Juggernauts. But as of this time of writing, he is NOT.

Now let's move on to Taric. The descriptions for Enchanters are as follows:

Enchanters focus on amplifying their allies' effectiveness by directly augmenting them and defending them from incoming threats. Enchanters themselves are often quite fragile and bring relatively low damage to the table, meaning they really only shine when grouped together with others.

This means that Taric is not intended to be a front-line fighter based on this description. Most Juggernauts are meant to focus as the front-line, and, if the opportunity presents itself, they can potentially break through the enemy front-line with their own innate attack power. Taric really only has two damaging parts to his current kit. His E, and the AA damage boost his passive gives him after using an ability.

I hope I'm not coming across as snotty, or refusing to hear the other side of the argument, because that is NOT my intention.

AlienPrimate1 votes

Taric doesn't fully fit into the enchanter class though because he himself can do a lot of damage as well as be really tanky. I often play him in top lane and jungle and make the enemy jungler burn their flash at level 3 when I almost kill them in 2 seconds with a stun and 4 auto attacks. I personally think that Taric's primary description should be fighter and secondary should be warden.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

Well, before his VGU he WAS capable as a Fighter. I remember even PLAYING him as one. However, when Riot did his VGU, since he got played more in the support role, and seemed to function better there than as an actual Fighter, they decided to make him a Support.

Now, I'm not disagreeing with you. The strategy can be viable, but it's just not his OPTIMAL setting. His secondary attributes, according to the wiki, are "Warden" (A Subclass of Tanks) and Melee (Obviously meaning Melee-ranged).

(Heck, go to the page on the wiki for Tanks, and going down to the sub-page for Wardens, you'll find Taric's picture. Just thought it was funny.)

To function as a Juggernaut, Combat needs to be the champion's PRIMARY or OPTIMAL focus.

You and others might not agree with that, but as the saying goes, Beggars can't be Choosers. We're not in charge or part of the development team or teams, so we don't really get a say in what takes place.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

Like I said, I'm not disagreeing or saying the strategy isn't viable, because it can be, if the situation lines up favorably for it.

(Yes, I watched the clips before responding. Those two certainly DID win fights as Taric)

But, I'm going to have to go back to that old argument. Since Riot does NOT consider him a Fighter (In either the Juggernaut or Diver subclasses), he does not COUNT as a Fighter.

Once again, I'm not TRYING to argue. I don't want to sound like I'm being unwilling to listen to opposing viewpoints, but when one looks at the facts, the facts officially recognized by the creator of the content (Riot), Taric is NOT a Fighter.

I appreciate your input. I find it very good and enjoyable that you find Taric viable as a Fighter, as it's always good to see fellow players come up with playstyles that think outside the box.

Neamean1 votes

With Urgot introducing ranged juggernaut I want a whip wielding juggernaut for Tagon.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mugen/images/2/2f/Cmof-simon-belmont.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170123153004

Maybe he could be an ex-aspect of patheon who gain immortality but is now free from the control of the aspect. He still believe in the cause and fight the void but he doesn't like how the aspect just took over his body.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

The idea of a whip-wielding champion could be interesting. I uploaded a concept a while ago with that idea. It would be a new weapon archetype as well, since there haven't been any created thus far.

It seems the idea of the Targon Juggernaut wielding a whip is the most popular, since you are the 2nd person to comment to that effect!

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