Garen hates that his sister is a mage, BUT doesn't he too use magic with his SWORD? I'M CONFUSED.

YangGangMATH2020·Feb 1, 2018·4 votes·5,495 views

Can someone answer me this. ( for those who are familiar with champ's lore) If Garen is distant from his sister Lux because he doesn't want to face the fact she's a mage, ( because apparently since he was a kid, he hates mages) Wouldn't he be a hypocrite because he too uses magic with his sword? I mean we see in game and in cinematic scenes that he summons the sword to fall from the sky ( when he was fighting Kat.) Evidently, that is an inhumane power or ability he has, as no regular sword fighting includes that. So, doesn't Garen also use magic, if so why does he hate lux being a mage? It doesn't make sense.

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GreenLoreFeb 1, 20186 votes

Seriously,why do so many people still think that Garen summons a sword from the sky? The visuals of his ultimate were reworked years ago,it is more like a sword shaped beam of light.

And to answer your question: His ult is either noncanon or he himself is unaware of his ability to use magic in the lore.

RalanrFeb 1, 20181 votes

Based on Swain’s interaction, it’s the latter.

HonestJohnTheConFeb 1, 20181 votes

I assumed Swain was talking about Lux.

RalanrFeb 1, 20181 votes

Does Garen always go into battle with Lux?

HonestJohnTheConFeb 1, 20181 votes

I would assume not "always". But I think it was a jab at how Garen still doesn't realize (well, not fully) that Lux has magical abilties while brother and sister. It could also be insulting him for not using Lux's power freely to it's full potential in combat (as Demacians are committed to their morals even when it hinders them).

I personally don't think that the "Garen is magic" theory makes sense. Garen's not stupid, as shown in the Demacia update, and even if he was stupid enough (or ignoring it intentionally), someone must have noticed. Lux's powers first really surfaced when she was threatened. Garen's been threatened all the time, and nothing happened.

Also, the hag that Garen confronted would have probably mentioned his magical nature after SEARCHING THROUGH HIS MEMORIES.

RalanrFeb 1, 20181 votes

I like Garen in that story. He can’t let go of even bad memories.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOFeb 1, 20181 votes

No but he always wear his armor, which is magical in that it negates magic. Therefor Swain’s interaction refers to his armor.

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20181 votes

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No but he always wear his armor, which is magical in that it negates magic. Therefor Swain’s interaction refers to his armor.

this is a pretty good explanation. his anti magic sword and armor being a form of magic itself makes more sense than garen not being aware of summoning a giant sword from the sky is magic. so i guess his ult remains non canon, until we maybe get more stories and character develoment with him and lux, which leads to him changing his view about magic and even lead to the point where he learns to channel magic himself into the skysword.

also, lets not forgot that there IS an order of mages inside demacia and apparantly working for the crown. it was explicitly stated that lux was recruited by one of them.

RalanrFeb 1, 20181 votes

Buuuut magic itself is not well liked and I’m not sure the order is well known to the public.

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20181 votes

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Buuuut magic itself is not well liked and I’m not sure the order is well known to the public.

im almost certain its not known to the public. its probably not even known to high ranking military officers. otherwise garen should already know about it.

wasnt lux mother the one who brought in the guy from the order?

RalanrFeb 1, 20181 votes

I don’t remember that guy being a Mage. More of a very religious guy that would have taken her to some sort of conversion camp.

Idk. I read too many YA novels and that’s a super common trope.

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20181 votes

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I don’t remember that guy being a Mage. More of a very religious guy that would have taken her to some sort of conversion camp.

Idk. I read too many YA novels and that’s a super common trope.

found it. he wasnt a mage. the dude her mother brought would probably have lobotomized her or some shit (reminds me of what happened to mages in dragon age who were caught practising blood magic, or tried to flee the confinements of the order).

Lux stumbled upon a nest of flesh-eating creatures preying upon the village’s inhabitants and tracked them to their forest lair. The creatures dwelled in a subterranean cave system filled with gnawed bones, and, seized by a sense of youthful invulnerability and wrathful indignation, she attacked with coruscating blasts of searing magic. Lux killed dozens of the monsters, but, in her impetuousness, she had underestimated their numbers and the creatures soon overwhelmed her. Just before the monsters tore out her throat, a cadre of Radiant Ones who had also been tracking these monsters attacked the lair and put them to the sword. The leader of these warriors was Kahina. And she had seen what Lux could do.

Lux was escorted back to Demacia and presented to the innermost circle of the Illuminators. Here, she was given a stark choice. Use her powers beyond Demacia’s borders to learn of its enemies or be exiled forever as a wielder of magic. That Demacia had an order willing to use magic came as a shock to Lux, but the choice they offered was too enticing to refuse. Lux readily accepted. Her parents returned to High Silvermere, told only that their daughter had been seconded to serve the crown and would remain in Demacia to join the ranks of the Radiant Ones. They were surprised, but pleased Lux had finally found her place in Demacia.

makes me wonder if anyone outside this order knows that theyre using magic.

theyre also described as warriors. so i wonder if they use the same magic that garen uses for his ult, and if he ended up learning to channel the spell from one of them.

RalanrFeb 1, 20181 votes

I don’t think Garen’s ult is canon.

And unlikely. Demacia has it’s dirty secrets. Hence why I want a champion from Demacia who is evil and utilizes them.

BalderdashFeb 1, 20184 votes

https://youtu.be/IaGaqTW6QPQ?t=2m6s

Garen doesn't know.

YangGangMATH2020Feb 4, 20182 votes

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https://youtu.be/IaGaqTW6QPQ?t=2m6s

Garen doesn't know.

Oh my, that's interesting.

Valaran NaraFeb 1, 20183 votes

I feel like people ignore the fact that anti-magic is sometimes magic in the negative. Not only that, but let's be honest. They may hate magic, but is it really "stupid" for them to have any form of armor that can ward off magic? That, and their entire kingdom was developed using Petricite which is anti-magic. They don't need magic to cure and utilize petricite.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOFeb 1, 20182 votes

Garen can’t summon a giant sword in lore.

MetaVolcaFeb 1, 20181 votes

Isn’t anti-magic armor technically magic on its own too? I mean it had to have something done to it to be unaffected by magic, right?

CilasCobbFeb 1, 20181 votes

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Isn’t anti-magic armor technically magic on its own too? I mean it had to have something done to it to be unaffected by magic, right?

To be honest, I don't really know why Demacians are against magic in the first place, I mean they can use magic to help aid them in battle and like you said there anti-magic armor is a form of magic because only magic can be effective against magic. That and they have Galio who literally comes to life when he absorbs enough magic.

JaspersFeb 1, 20181 votes

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To be honest, I don't really know why Demacians are against magic in the first place, I mean they can use magic to help aid them in battle and like you said there anti-magic armor is a form of magic because only magic can be effective against magic. That and they have Galio who literally comes to life when he absorbs enough magic.

I think this is a result of the Rune Wars and what it did. Kinda like modern gun laws, many nations use guns as part of their military (usually in a controlled way) but domestic use is feared because of what they can do, so guns are controlled, registered and licenced.

Final Spark LuxFeb 1, 20182 votes

Correct! I have some quotes of sorts.

"Demacia was founded by the weary survivors of the Rune Wars, those looking for a life of peace after enduring the unspeakable destruction that came from the misuse of magic."

"Garen's uncle died in a tragic accident. It was said he was slain in battle, but Garen soon learned from the whispers throughout his family’s estate a mage's bloodletting spell had taken his uncle’s life. This confirmed Garen's worst fears about the horrors of magic and he vowed angrily to never let its presence within Demacia's walls."

"Though Garen's sister, Lux, had followed in her brother’s footsteps, coming to serve the crown in Demacia’s capital, their relationship remained distanced. Garen refused to acknowledge the things he’d suspected of her before he left to train with the Vanguard. Though he always loved his sister, some small part of him had a hard time getting close to her. He tried not to think about what his duty would force him to do if his suspicions were ever confirmed."

Am sad ;_;

JaspersFeb 1, 20181 votes

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Am sad ;_;

Hardly a brother if he cares more about what you are over who you are.

Final Spark LuxFeb 1, 20181 votes

I can't fault him for it. Magic has caused a lot of damage and pain in his life, and he feels it's his duty to keep it out of Demacia at all costs, no matter who's wielding it. https://i.imgur.com/7hr4saq.png[/img]

GreenLoreFeb 1, 20181 votes

Well so far he hasn't found out about it,as he himself wants to ignore it.

We don't know how he'll react once he finds out.

RookPusherFeb 1, 20181 votes

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Isn’t anti-magic armor technically magic on its own too? I mean it had to have something done to it to be unaffected by magic, right?

Black Holes aren't made of light.

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20181 votes

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Black Holes aren't made of light.

as far as magic in leagues world goes, there have been no explanations to how it works.

petricite might either work like a faraday cage for magic, or it might emmit magic itself in a way that prevents people from properly channeling spells. anything goes really. judging by swains interaction, its probably the latter.

Hextech OwIFeb 1, 20181 votes

Garen doesn't despise magic, Demacia does. Both Lux and Garen grew up with the constant reminder that magic is a bad thing. Lux's vision of magic changed when she started to wield it. Garen is probably able to do magic aswell but he's totally unaware about/ignoring it.

As Swain says: "Ignorant of the very magic you carry into battle. How Demacian"

And let's be honest, if the petricite negates magic, there's something magic about it. And don't tell me that Garen isn't using magic when he uses his Q, W and ult.

Demacians ideology is f*cked up.

YangGangMATH2020Feb 4, 20181 votes

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Garen doesn't despise magic, Demacia does. Both Lux and Garen grew up with the constant reminder that magic is a bad thing. Lux's vision of magic changed when she started to wield it. Garen is probably able to do magic aswell but he's totally unaware about/ignoring it.

As Swain says: "Ignorant of the very magic you carry into battle. How Demacian"

And let's be honest, if the petricite negates magic, there's something magic about it. And don't tell me that Garen isn't using magic when he uses his Q, W and ult.

Demacians ideology is f*cked up.

If he doesn't despise magic, then why in his lore does it say he becomes distant with his sister Lux because he's avoiding the truth that he suspects she's a mage? ( its bugging him) Also, it sounds to me after reading all of your replies ( which btw thank you all. ) I feel like we are agreeing in the end that he does use magic. >> so as swain confirmed ( in that video below) , he's just being oblivious. He does summon the sword, if we go back to the cinematic unless that's just him "throwing the sword >> which we all see he doesn't he, slams it down on the ground, and then suddenly its reflection which becomes physical strikes kat." >> hell if swain says he has magic, then >> GAREN is a tank mage so to speak. >_> who doesn't*[garen-swing]* know he has " the powers " XDD

Der LindwurmFeb 1, 20181 votes

Maybe they'll be a little less ham-fisted in the next retcon of Demacia lore. Something like that they prefer magic that strengthens and protects (or directly bulldozes the enemy) and consider that good, honest magic, as opposed to magic that deceives and corrupts. What they have now just doesn't work with the characters they had already decided represent Demacia and their abilities. There's even the trivia that appears every so often about Demacian steel's special interaction with magic.

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20181 votes

on a sidenote, if garens ult would become canon then how powerful is he, that he can summon such a mighty spell while being completely covered in magic negating material? thats actually kindof crazy.

if garen and lux were both near galio, and garen was out of armor, galio would probably act as if he was on cocaine.

Hyperdragon1701Jul 10, 20191 votes

So uh yeah i think that settles it now. Garen is indeed a low developed mage as Sylas could absorb his power (or that of his sword, it seems rather unclear.)