Can someone shed some light on this for me?

Made Canada High·Dec 31, 2013·5 votes·704 views

Is there a way to deal with players who just refuse to communicate in champion select or just respond "troll" when you are tying to figure out which lane and position everyone is taking?

11 Comments

MundoDec 31, 20135 votes

After the game you can report them. So yes.

geewhiz132Jan 1, 20142 votes

Well just remember DrMundo goes were he wants summoner 14

its just andrewJan 1, 20141 votes

No, you can not report someone for trolling because "trolling" has many definitions and maybe some people want to try new things. So what if you have a support Lb? There is nothing wrong with trying new metas. What you can do, is report them for negative attitude or assisting enemy team after game if you give a reason the tribunal finds "a punishable offense". However, since the tribunal can't see the pre game chat, it would be a he said she said story between who called what 1st. Therefore being deemed unreliable accusation and IMO, not a punishable offense. And no, you can't report someone for playing Trundle =P. But I will admit I have been more than frustrated for people picking a champ like Kha 1st pick and then afking w/o calling positions. In the end you can't report someone for picking a champ and rushing to the bathroom (no, only happened to me?) And some people may just want to bust out their new Teemo skin and make mine fields (Again, only me?). That's just how I feel on the subject but this is a very interesting topic and I can't wait to read what other people have to say.

MackleDogeJan 1, 20142 votes

If they are specifically refusing to communicate with the team in champion select whether by not helping sort of roles and lanes or by just solo banning for themselves and then they continue that sort of behavior throughout the game you can and should report them. That's why there is a reportable offense "Refusing to Communicate with Team" selection in the post game lobby. What you said is correct about not judging picks based off of meta or non-meta, however if someone is specifically saying that they are just trolling the game on purpose, they deserve a report and a ban.

its just andrewJan 12, 20141 votes

I have a hard time understanding what Riot exactly meant by refusing to communicate because I think the option to report someone for refusing to communicate is kind of useless with the new ping system. I think it was for people who would never call MIA maybe? Because you can't report somebody for what happened in champ select because the tribunal can't see what happened so it would be a very unreliable report. But you can't report someone for banning for themselves. For example, just today I was playing Tf and banned Fizz because I'm not dealing with that fish no matter what. I don't see anything wrong with banning counters but I understand what you mean. Is refusing to communicate even a punishable offense? I vote in the tribunal a lot and I've never seen someone reported for refusing to communicate.

MackleDogeJan 12, 20141 votes

It's a rare report because in most instances players who truly refuse to communicate with the team are often toxic and end up getting reported for Verbal Harassment or Negative Attitude. But to try to answer your questions: I'd say it specifically references people who either refuse to ping anything for their lane and/or refuse to listen to team coordination pings. For instance, if you have just taken first mid turret but lost two people in the fight for it, it might be wise to back off after getting the turret. In this case, you got an Ace so you have time to push the second tier and do a bit of damage. However it's pretty early so the respawn timers are short and the enemy team has come up. You and one other player back off pinging to be careful and back away from the turret but the other player is still staying. You keep pinging to back off, escalating to the Danger Ping but they stay and then try to dive 1v3 under the enemy's turret. That to me is a prime instance to report for Refusing to Communicate, especially if they do it repeatedly for turrets, dragon, or baron.

As far as banning for yourself, I'm not talking just one ban, that's perfectly reasonable, I'm talking about you banning Fizz, LB, and Talon just because you are going mid lane and then basically giving the enemy team Kassadin, Riven, Blitz, etc just to spoil yourself. When people ban like that without even being concerned for the rest of the team or team composition problems, that shouldn't happen and I wouldn't blame someone for being upset about it.

its just andrewJan 12, 20141 votes

Imo, if you're the captain, you can ban whoever you want. Most people do greedy bans anyway, it's just that so many people want specific champs banned that they're called "good bans" or in meta. For example, Thresh, Blitzcrank, and even Annie are popular bans but they're all support. So are you saying they would be "greedy" bans? I don't see anything wrong with banning champs that you have a problem with. If you're captain and absolutely hate Zilean and Ashe and Heimerdinger, and would rather afk than fight them, you have the right to ban them. Just playing devil's advocate. I do understand what you're saying and I think it's just the reason they make decisions. Like if you ban Ashe, Zilean, and Xerath because you want to waste bans or make people mad, then I agree there should be something you can do about that. But what I'm trying to say is it would be hard for the tribunal to tell if someone is trolling, or just bad.

MackleDogeJan 12, 20141 votes

I see what you're saying, pretty good point. I'll address this in two parts (by the way I'm ignoring the whole "right" portion of that because then you get into the situation of whether it's more important to have fun at the expense of your team or sacrifice a bit for your team and that's not relevant to the post, hope that's okay with you).

As far as the support bans, I wouldn't define meta ban selection as greedy, that's just following the standard. Sort of like banning Kassadin and Riven or Shyvana is pretty popular, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the lane you are going in, it's just a strong champ that you might want to ban instead of risk the opposing team having. As far as your "hate" example, I feel that differentiates the two mindsets because there are those that ban for team composition purposes and those that ban for laning phase purposes. If you are banning those three for laning phase purpose then that's understandable (though I'd suggest at least talking with your team about it, after all maybe your ADC and Mid will play Ashe and Donger, so you can use those bans on other things). Again though, you bring up a good point.

As far as the Tribunal portion, I think you might have misunderstood what I was originally saying. I agree that as the system works now, reporting for pregame or postgame actions/chat is useless unless you screenshot and submit a ticket (I don't have any stats on hand to say whether or not that works either). My premise for this is that if that is the way they behave in pregame, they will probably act in a reportable manner in the actual game itself. Obviously, not everyone that bans for themselves is toxic and should be reported, which is why I never make a decision to report someone until after the game when I review everything they did and ask myself whether or not I would accept being banned if I had done the same thing. Hope that clears it up, didn't mean to get that mixed up.

its just andrewJan 12, 20142 votes

I had a prefect example of that today. I was in a ranked game and we had a top, mid, jung, and adc picked out. And without saying a word, this guy picks teemo and refuses to tell us where he's going. So idk if I needed to jungle or support, and our last pick needed to know if he should still pick an adc. But then he just inten fed bot lane so we reported him for feeding, not refusing to communicate so I see what you mean when you say its a rare report.