is the "new" forum supposed to look like a reddit clone

Helen Keller·Dec 16, 2014·6 votes·1,303 views

because it does and i'm disappointed in what the forums have become since the old days :(

33 Comments

Dr Clueless PhDDec 16, 20142 votes

Do you have a rational reason for disliking it, or do you just think it's evil? I'm curious.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20142 votes

Do you automatically assume someone is stupid when they dislike the forum or do you just enjoy generalizing anyone who speaks against it?

Dr Clueless PhDDec 16, 20141 votes

He said he dislikes it without giving any reason. What am I supposed to assume?

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20142 votes

He isn't asking for your critiques on his judgement, just stating that he dislikes this style to riot. If I tell you I dislike your favorite color are you going to try to prove me wrong as well? People have different tastes and preferences. Get over it and stop trying to force people to accept this style.

Dr Clueless PhDDec 16, 20141 votes

Aesthetics are subjective. I'm not going to argue with you on something like that at all. However, if you're going to criticize functionality, something mechanical we can actually discuss the merits of, then yeah, you should do so on more than just "I like it" or "I don't like it". And in this case, the Reddit functionality versus the old Forum functionality is certainly something that can be compared and discussed.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

Meh your own subjective opinion on how feedback should be given seems to be the issue. He gave feedback on the matter regardless of whether or not it warrants your own interpretation of it.

Dr Clueless PhDDec 16, 20142 votes

I suppose I should approach this from another angle:

Feedback is worthless unless it's something you can actually use. "I don't like this" isn't feedback anyone can make use of, really. Now, if you know WHY someone doesn't like something, you can work on improving things. If you don't like the Reddit style, that's fine. I'm not going to say you should. However, I am going to say that you should talk about WHY. That's a discussion that's actually worth having.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

And also a discussion that's been had many times over.

Feedback isn't worthless if there is a simple stance given as to yes I like it or no I don't. Information is still gleaned from that post. You are coming in and being a typical proboard dick to the OP though with your usual evil quote I've seen you do more than once because you feel like he isn't validating your predisposed opinion on what feedback is. So please spare me with your desire for actual discussion when your first post starts out in that manner.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

Feedback isn't worthless if there is a simple stance given as to yes I like it or no I don't.

You're welcome to that opinion, but from the perspective of effecting change it really is worthless. If you want something to change, explain what you want to change. You can't just say "I want this to change" and expect it will happen in the way you'd like.

You are coming in and being a typical proboard dick to the OP

Ah. Your bias is showing.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

Not denying I have a bias. Just pointing out his as well. I'm well known for being against this format, and the general attitude people have for those that share my views.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

I actually dislike a lot of things about the Boards. I am very vocally critical of Riot in some regards, and I've actually had Pendragon publicly call me out on it.

That being said, I still want to see useful discussion. There is no merit in a thread with no constructiveness, and Clueless/I could have either ignored the thread or asked for clarification. Clueless chose to ask for clarification, I got interested in the activity and came to see what was up.

Would you rather everyone just ignore threads that share your views, or partake in discussions attempting to improve the platform? It's up to you, and supporting threads with no actionable feedback isn't necessarily supporting your cause.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

And neither is dismissing feedback no matter how small is supporting yours.

I've had plenty of discussions as to the pros and cons. Some of my issues have been addressed. Most not. Which is why I still retain my negative stance against this and the way riot implemented it.

On a more personal opinion I really enjoyed discussing on GD. That has been taken from me and I no longer get to do so. I can't even access the forums outside of home anymore because it simply wasn't designed to work on mobile.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

And neither is dismissing feedback no matter how small is supporting yours.

As I said, I'm actually pretty critical about the Boards overall. My views here are relatively aligned with yours, I just don't like to see relatively low-effort threads considered to be representing anything.

On a more personal opinion I really enjoyed discussing on GD. That has been taken from me and I no longer get to do so.

Taken from you how, exactly? General Discussion still exists, and it's actually the most active board on the platform. The functionality is almost identical to vBulletin at this point, other than the color scheme and the fact votes are displayed a little more prominently.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

Then we agree to disagree. I still think all feedback is warranted you want feedback that is more constructive. Taken as I no longer have access to a league forum because of not being able to access it from outside home where I spend a majority of my time.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

He gave feedback

He gave completely nonconstructive feedback, which doesn't actually accomplish the goal of feedback. Saying "it looks like a reddit clone" offers nothing, from a communication value standpoint.

It would be like me 'giving feedback' to a restaurant by saying "I don't like it". It might be how you feel, but it's impossible to do anything with that information.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

Impossible? He can get it sent back and get a new dish. That's called customer service mate. You don't ever see a restaraunt try and discuss then argue with a customer as to why he doesn't care for his taste if he simply doesn't like it.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

He can get it sent back and get a new dish.

How would the restaurant know what to get him/what to fix? The restaurant wouldn't argue with the customer, they would try to find what the customer didn't like and fix it.

Equal scenario here, the customer just says "I don't like it" and sits there silently while the waiter/manager asks him what he would prefer or what he wishes would change.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

Well put. But the actual chances of him getting a new dish are next to none. We all know this format is here to stay even though many forum users here are allergic to the dish. At least the restaraunt now knows that he doesn't want it.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

Semantics. Chance of support completely differs based on business and industry, a parallel cannot be made in this regard.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

You need to relax, I'm not sure why you are just immediately assuming he's attacking your/the OP's views. Clueless was essentially asking the OP to expand on his/her feelings and explain why he/she dislikes the style, as far as I'm aware. A post of "this looks like reddit" is worthless for discussion without reasoning to back up that statement.

To use your color example, it would be like me saying "red is the best color" with no explanation. Why is red the best color? How does this offer any reasonable discussion without reasoning?

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

His * evil* quote was exactly that though. That wasn't a attempt to bring about a rational discussion. It was his usual line to anyone that simply disagrees with this style to write them off.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

Asking for rational reasoning != assuming someone is stupid.

The hypocrisy in this post amuses me. You're calling him out for assuming someone is stupid and/or generalizing, and yet you immediately generalized him as thinking people are stupid.

Dr Clueless PhDDec 16, 20141 votes

To be fair, my tone was unnecessarily hostile.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

It seemed to me you were asking a legitimate question, the OP didn't offer any clarification so you asked for some. :P

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

is the "new" forum supposed to look like a reddit clone

How can you tell? You're blind.

username joke? Anyone? No? I'll see myself out.

Actual topic, what would you like to see improved or changed? Just saying "this looks like reddit" isn't constructive, it helps no one improve anything.

Einar RunehandDec 16, 20141 votes

You seem to be frequent in asking questions on character concepts, there's one called Helios the War Hound I'd like some feedback on

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

Sorry because of this format and differences between chronological and nesting being completely void of references due to this crappy style I have no idea who you are talking to. Was it the op or someone else?

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

It was the OP. To my knowledge they fixed the issues between chronological and nesting; if that's not the case, make a thread detailing the current problems.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

Already brought it to a reds attention, nothing was said on the subject besides them retracting the emphasis that it was fixed.

DaenDec 16, 20141 votes

Make a thread on it, more players can experiment and provide actionable feedback. A thread with 50 upvotes is a lot more noticeable than an offhand comment in private.

MajorPain9Dec 16, 20141 votes

Its been brought up. But who experiencing my same issue can post on it if they can't access the forums either or are restricted to the point they don't have the time they used to have to discuss it because of it? Anyways the general answer I get Is soon which basically translate to a your SOL verbattum rather than any actual subject on the matter. Its broke riot will fix it if they choose or have the time to. That's always how the discussion pans out.

Einar RunehandDec 17, 20141 votes

OP, however, any feedback on my concept would be appreciated.

NaginataXDec 17, 20141 votes

Agreed. The old forum style was much better. This reply of a reply of a reply of a reply style, not to mention messiness of the general board, makes it difficult to figure out what was most recent vs what is most commented. Actually curious as to where this very reply is going to end up in this mess.