Why don't the EU boards have a "Boards feedback" section?
And in general why are the NA and EU boards different in the first place? You say you are not discriminating but this just shows you are.
And in general why are the NA and EU boards different in the first place? You say you are not discriminating but this just shows you are.
They are two different regions. If you go to the boards on other regions, say, Brazil or OCE, you'll see they have a totally different list of boards links. It's so they can customize it to best fit their region. We, the Boards developers, create the framework, and the regions implement it in the way they believe is best.
Hope this helps.
This doesn't help enough because it does not explain why regions are different in the first place since all the players on all the regions have the same needs and rights. Who is the person that made these decisions?
I'm going to challenge that assumption that all players have the the same needs. Every region has different nuances and cultural interests that should be respected. Far be it from us over here in California to determine how everyone else should use the Boards. I appreciate your concern and this discussion.
Hey, do you eat hawk bacon in California? Send me sum! Anyway, I've posted the answer above, I guess you could close the thread and go backon what you were doing.
sorry i've got terrible puns
And thanks to this thread it's now clear why we don't have it:
because it's not being used to the best of its ability right now, and there's no real escalation process for any immediate changes. Plus, nearly all of the content on that Community was spam or used for in-game complaints.
"there's no real escalation" = nobody influential from Riot actually reads them as opposed to the NA boards. "was spam or used for in-game complaints" - exactly two things that are on the NA boards and lacking on the EU boards (Memes & Games, Gameplay & Balance boards). So basically because the EU boards were already lacking the community managers decided to make them even more lacking. Great.
There are no cultural differences when it comes to gaming and internet boards, and even if there were it still is no justification to limit the tools available to certain players just because of their geographical location. The fact that people there are asking for things like "a General Discussion board like NA has" just proves that those differences don't really exist, and that the community managers are not handling it properly.
And you say that you lot in California should not determine how everyone else should use the boards, yet you do determine who those people will be that do determine how everyone else uses those boards (the foreign community managers) which is a bit of a contradiction.
Uniformed would have been nice too ya know.
It was announced a few weeks ago that 'Boards feedback' was pretty useless so it got removed. It was a decision made by EU admins. Here's the thread.
Oh great, that explains it then.
because it's not being used to the best of its ability right now, and there's no real escalation process for any immediate changes. Plus, nearly all of the content on that Community was spam or used for in-game complaints.
"there's no real escalation" = nobody from Riot actually read them. "was spam or used for in-game complaints" - exactly two things that are on the NA boards and lacking on the EU boards (Memes & Games, Gameplay & Balance boards)
"there's no real escalation" doesn't mean nobody from Riot reads them. This is an incorrect assumption. The actual meaning of this is that while there are multiple teams to manage the regional implementation of the Boards, there is only one central Boards dev team (here in NA). EU and OCE players can post on the NA forums at any time, and Boards Feedback is read and responded to here, as is appropriate. Since Riot Draggles (an awesome dude btw) doesn't have the capability to change forum infrastructure, only edit its implementation, it isn't fair to expect them to respond to your requests when they don't have context or insight into how to fix stuff or build new stuff. That said, we are always looking to improve and evolve, and we can definitely look at how Boards Feedback is accepted now and how we can accumulate it better in the future.
Thanks again for your post.
Thanks for the reply. So why have regional boards in the first place if you expect all regions to read and post on NA? Just like you only bothered telling NA players when Gangplank will be available again and left it vague for the other unworthy regions (something which should have been part of the original announcement in the first place and not given in the comments section). If anything the central Boards team should be on EUW since it is the biggest region playerbase-wise if you are really bent on making one region exclusive and above others. And just like EU and OCE players can post on the NA boards at any time so can Rioters who sit in California read and post on other boards. I don't get what context and insight are lacking when responding to issues posted on foreign boards that are there only when NA players bring them up, please enlighten me because I still don't get it. And also "there's no real escalation" means nothing was done with things brought up on those boards. If a relevant Rioter reads it then that is already escalation. Unless Rioters were told specifically to not bring up any issues that were written about on a non-NA board.
EU and OCE players can post on the NA forums at any time, and Boards Feedback is read and responded to here, as is appropriate.
I understand what you're going for here, but I'm not really a fan of the general idea. Participants of one region shouldn't be forced to access another region just to provide feedback, and there are lots of things that can be present in Boards Feedback that have nothing to do with development (more below).
Since Riot Draggles doesn't have the capability to change forum infrastructure, only edit its implementation, it isn't fair to expect them to respond to your requests when they don't have context or insight into how to fix stuff or build new stuff.
Is the editing of the implementation not something that should be discussed by the community? This goes back to the point above, users shouldn't be forced to basically use a separate forum just to provide feedback that is actionable by the region.
Boards Feedback isn't just about development requests, it also includes things like moderation, guidelines, typos, board organization, management policy, etc. Isn't most of this stuff handled regionally, not by central dev?
So why are you ignoring this now?
This just proves that "there's no real escalation" means exactly that nobody from Riot reads the boards of the unworthy regions and there was never an intent to do it.