Loving this non-tribunal system we got going

Destromoth·Apr 23, 2016·3 votes·1,277 views

So I just got permanently banned, for a single game, I didn't feed on purpose, I didn't afk, all I did was critique our mid and get slightly upset that he took smite into mid lane. If I got autobanned because I had swear words in my chat, that doesn't really make sense as I didn't use them as verbs I used them as Adjectives, I.E. How the **** did that land?, I expressed after I got caught by a taunt after the fact. The fact that I got autobanned for a single game is just utterly ridiculous, especially considering that no tribunal looked at it, and the ban went off literally minutes after the game. This punishment system is ludicrous and unfair as it doesn't take into account any other factors that were happening in the game, nor anything else that anyone said. It just looks at if enough people reported you, (typically just consists of most of the enemy team), and then searches for trigger words despite how they are used or what their intent was.

41 Comments

Kei143Apr 23, 20166 votes

looks like all the warnings / punishment you recieved previously means nothing to you.

FrankerXApr 23, 20165 votes

"single game" its always fun how ppl like you expect riot to send you chatlogs of liek 20 games.

but to be honest after the 14 day ban it says "last warning" so its really a possibility that you got banned after "1 game" not counting the 50 other games that you flamed before even getting the 10 game chatrestrict.

leaugesbaneApr 23, 20161 votes

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"single game" its always fun how ppl like you expect riot to send you chatlogs of liek 20 games.

but to be honest after the 14 day ban it says "last warning" so its really a possibility that you got banned after "1 game" not counting the 50 other games that you flamed before even getting the 10 game chatrestrict.

thats the funny part that people refuse to understand after the 14 day ban your account is already lost no matter what you do it doesn't matter becuase it will only take that one bad game where you couldn't take it and its one of the three great reasons a irl buddy quit this game with an extreme hate for lyte he knew it would end up liek that and it was jsut maddening for him to worry about this horrible community

i have like 33 bot games im new he told me some very helpful information to build champions properly. the number of walk to death feeders who refuse to ask for help is insane not to mention ive had afks as well like dc at start kind afks.

thankfully becuase of him i expect it and am able to understand that its unavoidable and riot truly doesnt care so its not worth commenting on in game out side of

"xyz you are very frustrating to me" its as far as i go

ZerfallenApr 23, 20165 votes

Try some punctuation next time.

It's hard to understand your ramblings otherwise.

FrankerXApr 23, 20167 votes

i know of ppl who had a 14 day ban and recovered. the question is how do you even make it to the 3rd warning? after the 25 game cr you should learn to /mute all

and dont blame your behavior on anyone else pls. you get 3 warnings before the permaban, if you dont understand it after the 3rd warning its all your behavior and your stubborness.

leaugesbaneMay 3, 20161 votes

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i know of ppl who had a 14 day ban and recovered. the question is how do you even make it to the 3rd warning? after the 25 game cr you should learn to /mute all

and dont blame your behavior on anyone else pls. you get 3 warnings before the permaban, if you dont understand it after the 3rd warning its all your behavior and your stubborness.

read posts before you make an ass of your self. seriously did you even look at this accounts level? ive played 5 normal games they rest is like 40-50 bot games. im arguing policy while you make attacks. also since your new ill say it for the 1000 billionth time

my friend who showed me the ropes played through the creation of the nazi bot. assuming its finally stable and working proably you are right. back then though cuase it was made from scrath you could get 300 plus restrictions in a 9/18/27/54 none stop straight up scaling fashion

people go its 9 right? i can do this i can reform. lol riot had other better ideas you weren't toxic so here have 18 chat restrictions.

okay might be a bug right? so you grit your teeth right?

lol here 27 chat restrictions. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

is the reaction "toxic" people had at the time my friend had alot of the problems im gonna have sense we are so alike the difference is now that its known I cant adjust accordingly

FrankerXMay 3, 20162 votes

im not new wtf are you talking about lol i play since the end of season 1. and k you dont understand it how the system works XD

leaugesbaneMay 3, 20161 votes

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im not new wtf are you talking about lol i play since the end of season 1. and k you dont understand it how the system works XD

you are trolling should find some better place to cast your line

FrankerXMay 3, 20161 votes

im not trolling i only told you that its your fault when YOUR behavior got you banned but ok. since you wont learn: enjoy the ban*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

leaugesbaneMay 11, 20161 votes

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im not trolling i only told you that its your fault when YOUR behavior got you banned but ok. since you wont learn: enjoy the ban*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

you claim to have played since season 1 and yet also claim that the lyte bot isnt new. you are trolling for one of two reasons

you are a liar

or you didnt read the post you commented too

you have verbal diarrhea

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

x R e n g a R xApr 23, 20165 votes

Lol you so deserved a ban.

Good luck in the future and I hope you reform and quit typing nonsense and actually play the game.

You're hella toxic.

DREADN0UGHTApr 23, 20162 votes

As Wuks would say, post the chat logs so we can have an open discussion about it. You could always open a support ticket to get some help.

Void NargacugaApr 23, 20161 votes

At least one of them is seen earlier. Keep scroling (if you are in Discussion View) or change the page (if you are in Chronological View).

DREADN0UGHTApr 23, 20161 votes

ayyy aren't you right. I saw none of them lmao.

Void NargacugaApr 23, 20161 votes

Right here --> http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ziHAdGA2-loving-this-non-tribunal-system-we-got-going?comment=0001

Void NargacugaApr 23, 20161 votes

Can you show us your chat logs? If you log in to your account then you will be provided with an in client reform card that can show up to three games of chat logs which led up to your punishment. And you don't get banned for just literally one game unless you were unbeleivable toxic.

I'm also guessing you have had the previous punishments before correct? They are as follows:

10 game chat restriction
25 game chat restriction
14 day ban

DestromothApr 23, 20161 votes

Sure I had received other punishments, but those were about two months ago, and usually they send you messages saying what games you were reported for, I was reported for a single game. Game 1 Destromoth: camp top Destromoth: i'm getting rekt Destromoth: jungle tax Destromoth: sigh Destromoth: unleash the double feed Destromoth: and bot lane disappoints again Destromoth: i can't defend two lanes Destromoth: js Destromoth: coward Destromoth: hides at his turret all game Destromoth: fucking taunt Destromoth: can y'all seriously do something Destromoth: cuz right now you're all the epidomy of garbage Destromoth: lol they got butthurt Destromoth: report mid feeding Destromoth: too bad you fed instead of hitting your powerspikes Destromoth: and 0 kills Destromoth: and 60 less farm Destromoth: how in the fuck did that taunt land? Destromoth: report azir Destromoth: I just need to hit my powerspike thats why I took smite Destromoth: feeds lanemate 10 kills Destromoth: azir doesn't understand that he can't just let champs roam and do nothing in return Destromoth: defend at nexus turrets Destromoth: they'll come for me Destromoth: what the fuck are you doing cait? Destromoth: lol our mid is the same level as your support Destromoth: azir gets called out for playing badly Destromoth: and his feelings get hurt Destromoth: report mordekaiser afk Destromoth: Lol olaf and alistar upset because they got stomped by me Destromoth: 2/6 half my farm azir talks a big game Destromoth: probably like one of those kids that says 1v1 and they get killed 3 times in the first 7 minutes Destromoth: so they afk Destromoth: and you have the skill of a 4 year old Destromoth: nice bait cait

Mind you, I hadn't said anything until about 10-15 minute mark, or rather any toxic behavior until that point, and I type quite quickly, now I'd understand a ban if I had threatened people, or verbally harassed someone to an extreme extent, but the most toxic thing I can see in this post is "cuz right now you're all the epidomy of garbage", which is it negative sure, deserving of a ban, pretty questionable. TBH reports of negativity/passive aggresive behavior should almost always just receive chat restrictions as that fixes the problem, does it now? Where as reports of feeding/afk/intentionally helping the other team/using third party clients seems more along the lines of ban worthy. Though i'm sure 80% of the people who read this are going yeah you deserve it for being toxic in one game of the hundreds you've played over the past few months, but this ban system where every offense is treated the exact same as all the others, whats the point?

Void NargacugaApr 23, 20168 votes

Lots of harrasment and negative/passasive-aggresive chat.

leaugesbaneApr 23, 20161 votes

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Lots of harrasment and negative/passasive-aggresive chat.

hardly the issue or what i see. he forgot the basic rule about this player base. if you chat you get banned even if its gg and ty some where some how it will happen.

ive heard that the comment about azir allowing a roam and not takign the turret or damaging it is super common even into plat

Void NargacugaApr 23, 20166 votes

I chat often and have been playing for a year now... SO according your logic I should have been banned... Like when I first started. And yet... Not even a SINGLE chat restriction.

Chatting is fine as long as its constructive or just plain old good random talk that doesn't insult or demean another player.

SrbLudApr 23, 20161 votes

If someone is chatting with a "toxic" vocabulary it is fine if the point is joking or adding comic relief. But as soon as you are reported means someone didn't take it as that.

Void NargacugaApr 23, 20162 votes

Yeah that is true. When I joke I try to make puns. Like one time when an ally killed an Ekko . "Welp looks like Ekko ran out of time!"

As long as everyone is okay with it in that match or on your team, then you can have fun. Just don't go overboard.

FurriesAreHotApr 23, 20161 votes

That's not a pun

Void NargacugaApr 24, 20161 votes

Chronobreak sends him back 4 seconds... Time pun.

FurriesAreHotApr 24, 20161 votes

a pun is using the word itself in an ironic fashion. ex: Irelia iRAN out of time.

SrbLudApr 23, 20166 votes

Nothing here adds to the game. If you see a lot of arguing and no tactics related stuff it means it's toxic. Here is what a real game chat should look like:

( most of the positioning and targets in here you can ping but for arguments sake i'm gonna put some of them as you can still see them in chat sometimes )

/all glhf
freeze the lane
jg top
Ez no flash
gank bot?
gj
proxy
freeze and b
dragon
gj
split push
group mid
bait baron
push inhib
gj go top
buff done go b
split push
bait cc
all in
gj
push nexus
/all GG

leaugesbaneApr 23, 20161 votes

i can't defend two lane azir doesn't understand that he can't just let champs roam and do nothing in return defend at nexus turrets

the problem i see is this is all he should have said evyething else warrants a mute on him why do people never mute it should be understood he wont change this attude

SrbLudApr 23, 20165 votes

That's two lines of tactics related chat, maybe one or two more in there. Out of 37 lines of his chat he contributed to the game with 2-4... nuff said... And people shouldn't have to mute you in the first place. You don't get punished because someone doesn't mute you. You get punished because of your behaviour.

ProxknightApr 23, 20162 votes

Honestly that's a whole lot of passive aggressive chat. Which creates a negative enviornment for the whole team. He should have used a mute button but I'm not sorry.

ModPrandineMay 3, 2016

Destromoth: can y'all seriously do something Destromoth: cuz right now you're all the epidomy of garbage Destromoth: lol they got butthurt

Calling people garbage and then laughing about it when they don't like it. There's never a need to resort to harassment when things aren't going your way.

Destromoth: report mid feeding Destromoth: too bad you fed instead of hitting your powerspikes Destromoth: and 0 kills Destromoth: and 60 less farm

Calling for reports because someone didn't perform as well as you wanted them to. Calling for reports is considered harassment and because of that it makes any reports against you valid, so don't do it.

Destromoth: report azir

More report calling.

Destromoth: feeds lanemate 10 kills Destromoth: azir doesn't understand that he can't just let champs roam and do nothing in return Destromoth: lol our mid is the same level as your support Destromoth: azir gets called out for playing badly Destromoth: and his feelings get hurt

Considering you keep calling for reports against him for playing poorly and called your team "garbage" earlier on in the game I would be annoyed too.

Destromoth: report mordekaiser afk

More calling for reports, this time against Mordekaiser.

Destromoth: Lol olaf and alistar upset because they got stomped by me Destromoth: 2/6 half my farm azir talks a big game Destromoth: probably like one of those kids that says 1v1 and they get killed 3 times in the first 7 minutes Destromoth: so they afk Destromoth: and you have the skill of a 4 year old

More harassment directed towards other players.

Conclusion:

Whenever someone doesn't perform to your standards you resort to name calling, report calling and verbal harassment for the rest of the game. When they complain about you harassing them you just laugh it off like they're in the wrong even though you're the one who started harassing them in the first place.

Advice:

Don't call for reports ever. It solves nothing, makes it more likely that the other person will continue with their actions anyway and opens up valid reports against you as well.
There's never an excuse to resort to verbal abuse, ever. If someone is performing poorly, kindly offer some friendly tips or advice as to how they can improve their gameplay. Being a jerk and then laughing about it when you're called out on it only makes you look like a selfish and uncaring jerk.
Having a bad game does not equal feeding. We all have bad games every now and then, even you, but does that mean that we're feeding? No. As long as someone is actively trying to win the game then it's not feeding just because they're having a bad game.

My verdict: Punish.

P.S. All permabans are reviewed by Riot directly, and they go through the entire account history before deciding if the account in question deserves a permaban or not. Also, you aren't banned for a single game unless it's extreme enough to warrant an escalation (i.e. verbal abuse, racist comments, etc.).

Reform Cards never show all games that you're reported in (there's no need), but you have to be valid reported in a ton of your games to warrant a case, and you have had to ignore 35 games worth of chat restrictions+a 2 week ban to get a permaban.

DestromothApr 23, 20161 votes

Like I said, 90% of people who read this go oh yeah I can see that is ban worthy, because you like to think you're better than other people and don't realize that by riot adding this autoban system that enforces punishment of any offense as the same, they make more money, because typically the people who are more "toxic" generally just in terms of chat and what not, are more invested in the game and have stronger feelings about it/more willing to spend money on it, so by banning that toxic chat instead of just giving chat restrictions, or maybe even something like a permanent chat restriction, they realize that they can make more money from players. Its a pretty simple system to see and probably one of the reasons the tribunal has been down for ages, because it wasn't as profitable for them.

If my behavior had been found punishment worthy in other games that I played, they would have sent chat logs for at least 3 games, that's what the system does. Regardless my behavior from over essentially over a eight months ago, should not be accounted in my punishment now, as I have played literally thousands of games since then.

SrbLudApr 23, 20166 votes

Not every game is the same or values same morals. Some games punish you hard, some don't. They can make their game however they want and if you accept the terms you need to follow them ( which you didn't ). All this conspiracy talk is really interesting thou... I'll go grab the tinfoil hats...

Void NargacugaApr 23, 20164 votes

Ill do you one better with the song Foil by Weird Al Yankovik.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urglg3WimHA

leaugesbaneApr 23, 20162 votes

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Like I said, 90% of people who read this go oh yeah I can see that is ban worthy, because you like to think you're better than other people and don't realize that by riot adding this autoban system that enforces punishment of any offense as the same, they make more money, because typically the people who are more "toxic" generally just in terms of chat and what not, are more invested in the game and have stronger feelings about it/more willing to spend money on it, so by banning that toxic chat instead of just giving chat restrictions, or maybe even something like a permanent chat restriction, they realize that they can make more money from players. Its a pretty simple system to see and probably one of the reasons the tribunal has been down for ages, because it wasn't as profitable for them.

If my behavior had been found punishment worthy in other games that I played, they would have sent chat logs for at least 3 games, that's what the system does. Regardless my behavior from over essentially over a eight months ago, should not be accounted in my punishment now, as I have played literally thousands of games since then.

sorry bud but you have a fundamental misunderstanding about this game and the fact that riot sets the rules which you aggree to follow every update.

you where toxic and clearly haven't relized the issue isnt your opinion but that riot has said clearly to keep such an opinion to your self and that they plan to nany people

DestromothApr 23, 20161 votes

A sense of personality in a multiplayer game doesn't add to the game? Why not just play a single player game if all you want is your teammates to ping when they're coming, and nothing else. Regardless a permanent chat restriction is probably a way better fix than a permanent account ban. The banning of the account only serves to make you start over and invest more time/money into the game.

DestromothApr 23, 20161 votes

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think Riot uses the same autoban system as games like Club Penguin, that when a report is received, it checks the chat logs to see if any trigger words or phrases were used, and if they're found regardless they give you punishment. It all makes sense now, why people who afk/feed/troll never get banned, but "toxic" people do.

DestromothApr 23, 20161 votes

Its funny when people say they'll go grab the tinfoil hats, when what I'm saying has been proven to be true, maybe not by riot, but lets look at other games, Micro transaction games, which LoL is one. Have been proven to be more expensive than say subscription based models, and they garner most of their income from the few addicted players, indeed many players do not spend any money at all, but those few addicted players do. And when you are addicted to a game you are more invested and more likely to have emotions run rampant, and thus be "toxic" according to you. Now if you ban these toxic players, a disproportionate punishment for the offense, some will quit, but others, more will more likely than not buy in again, and spend large amounts of money. Its the reason games like Runescape and WoW don't typically ban members, because they are subscription based (largely) and so they don't receive this increased money from addicted players spending on micro transactions again.

SrbLudApr 23, 20166 votes

These guys spend a lot of money. What should we do?
Golly Tom, let's get rid of some of them for no reason.
What if they come back and keep spending money Abe?
Not all of those offenders will come back Tom.
What about the guys that stay and keep spending money?
Give them a couple of months Tom and then we ban some of that lot too.
Well what about after that?
We keep thining the herd untill no one spends more money Tom.
Good plan Abe.

DestromothApr 23, 20161 votes

The warnings/punishments I had received happened months ago... from which point my behavior had improved quite substantially as can be seen by me not immediately getting banned as soon as I got off the ban. But taking essentially a few days short of the three month downgrade.

DestromothMay 8, 20161 votes

I seriously doubt that riot reviewed it directly as I had received the ban, a mere 2 minutes after the game had ended, that they reported me for. And when you look at the chat it doesn't show the difference between all chat and team chat, nor does it show what other players are saying. For instance, Azir was equally harassing me, and he was indeed feeding in the game, not just "feeding", and retorting to me and saying I was playing badly. Our mordekaiser did actually afk, and I don't see how calling for reports can be considered harassment since, that happens in I don't know 98% of the games I play, whether my team is doing well or not, because people love to blame other players. According to you, every time I see someone say report so and so, I should actually report the player who is asking for the reporting to happen because clearly they are in the wrong. I do not see how saying 2/6 Azir talks a big game is harasment, as its merely making a comment about how he was harassing my play, whilst playing poorly himself. And after that I merely recounted a tale of someone who invited me to a 1v1 and was beaten badly, then afk'd in the first 5 minutes.