Perma banned unfairly

Joshua The King··1 votes·1,330 views

so i went to log in one day and was perma banned i inquired the reason and after 2 attempts at conversation i get a reply that it was for hacking/cheats i think to myself how is that even possible first off im not stupid i would never hack or cheat for multiple reasons but the most obvious is this Riot games is a international gaming company that makes millions of dollars and can afford the best anticheat system in the world so i ask you guys who would be stupid enough to use exploits/ cheats/hacks not me thats who. anyways so i tell them i did no such thing and they reply that i did and they have proof, so i ask for it and they refuse it was not a case by tribunal but by a single riot employee and they say Hey Summoner,

I'm sorry you want a jury trial but that's not the way this works.

We very clearly state the following under the Suspension/Termination section of the Terms of Use:

RIOT GAMES RESERVES THE RIGHT TO SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY OR DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND WITH NO LIABILITY OF ANY KIND TO YOU.

For our part, in cases like this, we don't share more detailed information in situations like this because some players would use those details to try and get around our detection methods for this sort of behavior so we simply don't share any other information. However, any proof we have for this activity is always definitive and that's the case here. We also don't want any player to be unfairly banned and it is exactly for that reason that we are very careful when we do have to permanently suspend any account. After personally reviewing and investigating your account, I am very confident in the results of our investigation.

We will not be lifting or modifying this perma-ban for any reason nor will we be providing any more context. If you have no new concerns, I'll have to consider this matter closed. so they state this but still refuse to tell my what exactly im being banned for they keep beating around the bush not explaining anything and refering to TOU stating different clips and texts that are not completly relevant avoiding the issue entirely stating theyve banned me becuase they can and i have no say in it so i beg you users dont put any money into this game unless you completely understand that they can and will do this RIOT GAMES RESERVES THE RIGHT TO SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY OR DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND WITH NO LIABILITY OF ANY KIND TO YOU. so they say , and i say screw them dont give money to thieves and liars

23 Comments

Tsugaga6 votes

Promising something doesn't make you more believable.

Your logic is flawed. Countless players post things like this even when justly banned, and the fact that you've posted this is in no way evidence for whether or not you're innocent, in fact, your post makes you less believable due to you protesting Riot and claiming them as thieves. Even if wrongly banned, they still wouldn't be thieves because you spending money on League in no way alters their reserved rights.

Players have no way of knowing whether or not you've done what Riot believes you've done, and whether or not I believe you is irrelevant, I have no way of being sure of my belief. If truly innocent, your only choice is to continue to contact Riot.

Joshua The King1 votes

ok how about this you invest money into something you purchase it and then get barred from accesing it and have no rights whatsoever to it after having bought it thats called theiving when the party youve invested into refuses you acces to your rightful purchase

IreliaCarrlesU5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Joshua The King,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zG0hMpjH,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-05-16T12:42:09.073+0000)

ok how about this you invest money into something you purchase it and then get barred from accesing it and have no rights whatsoever to it after having bought it thats called theiving when the party youve invested into refuses you acces to your rightful purchase

not really, riot owns all accounts, and legally your being allowed to use it. UNTIL you break the rules.

archerno12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Joshua The King,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zG0hMpjH,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-05-16T12:42:09.073+0000)

ok how about this you invest money into something you purchase it and then get barred from accesing it and have no rights whatsoever to it after having bought it thats called theiving when the party youve invested into refuses you acces to your rightful purchase

If you agreed to those terms when investing than its your choice. You agreed to RIOTS terms when making account.

EvilDustMan5 votes

Riot reviews their 3rd party program bans before handing them out and their false positive rate is very very low.

Fovere1 votes

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Riot reviews their 3rd party program bans before handing them out and their false positive rate is very very low.

According to them.

And they get to define false positive.

How exactly do you get a false positive rate? You invent it in house during your testing process.

There are no rules for that testing, they get to decide the parameters, number of trials, everything.

So their false positive rate means very little in practice, because there's no system for re-evaluating cases and matching their success/failure rate in practice up with the one in-house.


There's no easy solution. Cheating is serious and you don't want to give too much away as to how you can detect cheaters (even if you arent very good at it). On the other hand, there is also the possibility of a third party program sometimes showing up as something exploitative, and resulting in a number of false bans.

Tsugaga2 votes

I don't believe they would conclude that if you had done nothing to modify League in a way that would give you an advantage. They are likely 100% sure of abuse before banning, and the fact that you've used this post as a way to protest Riot makes you less believable to I.

barbarianskull2 votes

I think they should at least tell you what you did wrong. Or what program you used.

AeroWaffle4 votes

For the sake of maintaining the fight against people who would use cheating programs, they can't.

Telling users what program Riot found would be giving away valuable information. Riot doesn't even ban a person they believe to be using a cheating program right away, they wait awhile so that they user can't even be sure when Riot flagged them.

It's a constant fight. The cheating programmers are constantly on the lookout for hints that their program is banning players so that they can improve it. The people using the programs are constantly switching to programs that they think is the most safe.

It sucks, but Riot must hold back as much information as possible.

Joshua The King1 votes

i promise i would never cheat

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Mind listing us all the programs you downloaded that benefits your game? Just tell us, even the ones you think it's safe.

Joshua The King1 votes

lol recorder and curse voice only programs i have ever used

Joshua The King1 votes

just ask yourselves before doubting me why would i waste my time posting if i was justly banned

Sarutobi5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Joshua The King,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zG0hMpjH,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-05-16T11:49:24.908+0000)

just ask yourselves before doubting me why would i waste my time posting if i was justly banned

Because look it at it from Riot's side. How many times do you think they get emails/support tickets from people who truthfully did cheat and are just trying to get away around getting their account back? Im sure they ban hundreds of accounts (mostly bots) for using any type of 3rd party program. Hence why they are not allowed and are mainly a "Grey Area" type of ordeal. Use at your own risk.

I usually try to keep an unbiased mind in this, but you are basically going against an Anti-cheat system. it obviously caught something on your computer (or where ever you play) that made the detection legit.

Joshua The King1 votes

i only play on my personal pc at home

Astôlfo1 votes

Because you're delusional and think it's unfair?

BattleOxe1 votes

Well, I don't have any evidence either, so I can't say whether or not you deserved ban. Like people said, your "I'm not stupid" logic is just... flawed Do you like a game? If yes, make a new account, a d start over. If not, just stop playing. Who cares. And you don't really need all those shiny skins.

LostFr0st1 votes

Did you ever let someone else use your account and perhaps they used something? Did you level the account yourself?

^The above are some of the reasons why people who didn't cheat get banned "unfairly" from their pov.

Joshua The King1 votes

ive had this account since july 2010 i have never given my information to anyone and yes i leveled myslef

LostFr0st1 votes

Idk then :/ Judging from this answer and the one you gave to BeatzBoyFTW it seems we'll need to wait for a riot response for this. I'm not sure we can do much else.

Astôlfo1 votes

What a biased poll. Also, judging from the response, you apparently tried to take Riot to court. I'm dying with laughter.

Joshua The King1 votes

the one who isnt very intelligent is you assuming i meant court when i meant tribunal duh....

Astôlfo1 votes

I'm sorry you want a jury trial but that's not the way this works.

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