Wrongfully banned for intentional feeding

blookitty·Jan 23, 2019·7 votes·4,187 views

Not sure how to share the replay, but I was given a 14 day for intentional feeding. The player support person claimed to have watched the game in question, but I suspect they just looked at the KDA and didn't watch the game. If anyone watched the game they would determine that I was not intentionally feeding this game. I don't think I even had a single death that would be considered intentional feeding, and most of my deaths were par for the course at my skill level of silver. It wasn't like I ran under the turret or I kept trying to kill the same person in a hopeless effort. Is anyone able to watch the replay and explain what I am missing? I don't want to get banned again, but I cannot figure out which deaths are "intentional feeding" when I was just trying to farm and not die. My report card for the ban only referenced this game and I cannot see what they are referring to as intentionally feeding. I tried really hard and I feel like I was punished for not leaving the game. Had I left the game I would have just gotten 20 minute queue timers instead of a 14 day ban for trying my best. I led my team in farm and many of my deaths were me barely not getting away due to the opponent's flash or ignite.

Bans like this make me feel like I need to leave the game if I fall behind otherwise I am at risk of a 14 day ban (or perhaps a permanent ban). Had I just quit at 0/3, I wouldn't have been banned at all :(

This isn't the first time this happened. A couple years ago I was banned for having a bad game as Riven top (never laned vs. Tristana before and it got ugly). They ended up removing the ban, and since then I only play Twisted Fate as I am afraid if I play anything other than my best champion otherwise I'll get banned for intentional feeding. It seems even with my best champ it doesn't make a difference as I get punished for having a bad game.

If anyone does watch the replay and thinks it is intentional feeding, please tell me which deaths in particular so I can review the replay and avoid dying in that manner in future games.

39 Comments

Jo0oJan 23, 20199 votes

I just watched a fast-forward of each of your deaths that game.

While there's some ambiguity in your feeding, since you do nominally contribute to your team's efforts to win, I still suspect that you were intentionally throwing the game. Here's why:

You placed literally zero wards. Most of your deaths involve mindlessly pushing into turrets and getting flanked.

Every ult you cast was directly into a melee situation against melee champs, resulting in your swift deletion. This strategy may have been viable if you had prepared a stopwatch or zhonya's, but you made no effort to purchase that item.

At one point, you literally are auto-attacking a turret while Urgot teleports right next to you. He immediately flips you and murders you. You made no effort to move until the teleport was completed.

Finally, you somehow completed a game with an unused minion dematerializer.

PrismalDawnJan 23, 20191 votes

in a ranked match nonetheless.

Had it been a normals it possibly could have gone another way.

Or am I wrong?

Jo0oJan 23, 20192 votes

Hard to say how Riot sees it for sure, but I suspect the standards for inting are the same in either.

blookittyJan 23, 20192 votes

It is Silver. If you check my vision score in previous games, you'll see I tend not to ward often (bad habit as a low rank player). The Urgot death was my worst one. By the time I realized he was tele'ing in I knew I couldn't get away so I just tried to get more turret damage in.

Thank you for pointing out that death. You are right, that is easily the worst one out of them all. I should have noticed the Urgot tele'ing in sooner and backed away.

Jo0oJan 23, 20192 votes

It's gonna be tough to take that at face value. TP is a four-second cast time with a distinct sound and visual effect, and it happened right on top of you. You could have walked away by reacting within 0-3 seconds, and I doubt Urgot would have been able to keep up. And I can see that you don't ward as often as you should, but there's a difference between low wards and no wards.

PavLooJan 23, 20191 votes

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I just watched a fast-forward of each of your deaths that game.

While there's some ambiguity in your feeding, since you do nominally contribute to your team's efforts to win, I still suspect that you were intentionally throwing the game. Here's why:

You placed literally zero wards. Most of your deaths involve mindlessly pushing into turrets and getting flanked.

Every ult you cast was directly into a melee situation against melee champs, resulting in your swift deletion. This strategy may have been viable if you had prepared a stopwatch or zhonya's, but you made no effort to purchase that item.

At one point, you literally are auto-attacking a turret while Urgot teleports right next to you. He immediately flips you and murders you. You made no effort to move until the teleport was completed.

Finally, you somehow completed a game with an unused minion dematerializer.

this ^^^

Umbral RegentJan 23, 20193 votes

I'm uncertain about the situation. On the one hand, most of the details that I can see (statistics, item build, etc.) suggest no real foul play, but on the other, your lack of damage, unparalleled damage taken, and the sheer regularity of your deaths scream as indicative of no self-preservation.

I can understand the first death being an invade gone wrong (enemy Ashe seized first blood), but following that, you died four more times over the next four minutes, and further throughout the match had consistent strings pretty much every other minute.

The biggest factor that rings strange to me about the situation is that the majority of your deaths happened in your own territory, not the enemy's.

There's not really enough information to draw any reliable conclusions from peer review, so, all I can say is that, if you truly did try your damnedest, you should try the Support Ticket again and ask for a manual review.

Otherwise, there's nothing we can really do save trust that Riot's system didn't punish you in error.

MarshbouyJan 23, 20191 votes

A death ever minute and thirty seconds? bro...

Vegito101Jan 23, 20191 votes

Yup.i mean if he is really that bad how is he even silver...I am platinum player but I have new account in silver and I must tell you silvers are not bad as they use to be.

Zane ZephyrJan 23, 20191 votes

you dont get flagged for intentionally feeding unless they notice a pattern with you doing it. they don't pick one bad game and decide to ban you for it.

Deep Terror NamiJan 23, 20192 votes

That's not entirely accurate. While [less severe] chat offenses will add up over time to a restriction, inting is considered extreme behavior and when detected results in an immediate ban; the only reason you won't be banned from one game of inting is when the system was not good enough to detect it (which unfortunately is quite often).

Deep Terror NamiJan 23, 20191 votes

While it looks really suspect because it's that bad of a score, I tend to err on the safe side and simply say that you should submit a Support Ticket so that Player Support can take a closer look [than we can] and help you out if they find the ban was mistaken.

RakhsarJan 23, 20191 votes

Can you prove that he was intentionally doing it and it wasn't just bad play?

If you can't prove that he was doing it intentionally then how can you ban him for intentionally feeding?

Jo0oJan 23, 20191 votes

Who are you talking to?

RakhsarJan 23, 20191 votes

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Who are you talking to?

Just stating a fact. If Riot can't prove that he did it intentionally then by the definition of their punishment they can't punish him for it.

Jo0oJan 23, 20194 votes

I agree in principle, but intent is damn near impossible to determine. The community as a whole is already frustrated with Riot's inconsistency in punishing intentional feeders. Should we really extend them further benefit of the doubt?

OP is a TF one-trick that ulted into immediate death repeatedly throughout a game, dying virtually as often as humanly possible in a game of that length, and made demonstrably no effort to stop dying. Can I swear to you beyond a shadow of doubt that it wasn't just a bad game? Of course not, but I can paint a damn compelling picture of what the evidence against him is as I indicated below. And Riot has better resources than I to look at this guy and make a determination, including his chat logs.

blookittyJan 23, 20191 votes

Clearly you are viewing the game from a higher skill level than I play at. All of my ults were for ganks with my team. I nearly got away for most of my deaths (can't wait until they nerf ignite). I don't use the chat box as I find it to be toxic (I have the chat box dragged off my screen for all my games as players tend to say mean things when I don't do well). Also I love how everyone presumes that every league player is a guy ;)

Jo0oJan 23, 20192 votes

You'll have to forgive my gender assumption, force of habit. Back when I played WoW there were more females playing, but League skews heavily to a boys' club.

Your best bet is to plead your case in another support ticket. While I'm open to the idea that you weren't inting, the actions in this game paint an ugly picture for your intent. Riot is tasked with determining intent without the tools to do so beyond observing your actions and speech in-game, and your actions are very similar to that of an intentional feeder.

blookittyJan 23, 20191 votes

Yeah I put in another ticket and requested a lower rank player review it. I feel like the guy was being too harsh on me. I mean I tried to do a good tele gank bot lane, but I locked red instead of yellow so we didn't get the kill. I don't feel mistakes like that should be counted against me. Twice I died while hitting a turret, but once I didn't notice Urgot's tele until it was too late (my roommate was having a mental breakdown during my game), and the other time it was kha'zix who deletes me so fast when he comes out of invisibility that there was no point to run. I tried my best to live and push lanes out and use my ult to fight with the team, but it just didn't work out.

I'd upload a clip of my deaths if I knew how to. It came out to over 200MB though.

fatherdariusJan 23, 20191 votes

Looking at your history, I see intermittent 'bad' games strewn throughout, along with games where you played okay (and even quite well!). Your scores in the bad games are similar to the one you linked above (around 14 to 15 deaths, fewer assist, etc.) I had to scroll down around a hundred games to find a game where you played someone other than TF, so obviously he's your main right now. In other words, I don't think this is out of the ordinary for you.

Your history shows a 'pattern' if you will, of games/scores that are all over the place.

That's probably normal for your skill level. I know it is for mine.

**Aggravating factors: ** zero assists, low damage to champions, high death count

Mitigating factors: You had the 3rd most damage to objectives (even more than your ADC), tied for highest farm, did most damage overall on your team.

Neutral factors: low gold income (your jungler was low too), two dorans rings? Is that still a thing? you don't ward. at all.

In my opinion (my opinion and about $5.00 will get you a coffee at starbucks) there is NOT a preponderance of evidence indicating that you intentionally fed.

I'd send in a support ticket. Worst they can tell you is, "Sorry, you fed so the ban stands". Then you're no worse off than you are now.

Thoughts:

Objectives, farming, and overall damage is important - but so are things like warding, kill participation, getting damage or cc on enemies, map awareness, paying attention to pings, etc...

Looking at your match I think maybe you were just focused on the wrong things at the wrong times. I don't personally think you intentionally fed. My guess is that maybe you just didn't have your head in the game as much as you should have (or at all). I've been guilty of that at times. Talking to the wife, thinking about finances, or lord knows what else. Happens in live sports as well as e-sports too, obviously.

Play safe, do you best, try to stay focused, try to help the team, and realize you can't win 'em all.

And ward. Wards save lives.

Just my opinion as a casual player who plays ranked once in a while. YMMV

Jo0oJan 23, 20192 votes

Objective damage isn't a great indicator against intentional feeding, since the classic run-it-down-mid will often result in somebody auto-attacking a turret until dead. This happens to also be one of the biggest red flags in OP's game, since as I mentioned below, they were putting damage on turret through an entire TP of an urgot right on top of them which resulted in quick, avoidable death.

fatherdariusJan 24, 20191 votes

Ah, hadn't read your post (and didn't watch the replay, just looked at stats).

Yeah, I agree that's a red flag and is certainly suspect.

blookittyJan 23, 20191 votes

Thank you for letting me know that I am not the only one who sees this the same way. I put in a ticket but they said the ban stands and if it happens again, it will be a permanent ban. It makes me sad because I don't think I can play the game and guarantee I won't have one that goes this bad again. Unfortunately I am not that great of a player and I am not consistent enough to ensure I don't ever have any really bad games.

Vegito101Jan 23, 20192 votes

Well u can always play against boots...if you are honest think how your teammates fell every time you go 1 15...I know people will not like my comment,but if you are not new player and you still have a lot off 1 15 games then just play vs bots or nomal games.. Feeding Luke that on ranked and doing it often is just not fair to other players and certanly deserve some sort of sunspension... My personal opinion is that players like that deserve ban from ranked games for some period,and I would allow them normal games and other types of league games... Learn to play then go to ranked games..

fatherdariusJan 24, 20191 votes

i second this. OP might want to practice against bots until they can consistently have zero deaths, then progress to normals, draft, and then back to ranked.

We can't truly be in OP's head to know their intent, but if they truly aren't intentionally feeding it would suck to lose an account.

Vegito101Jan 23, 20191 votes

HahahA.2 16...bad skills????I am very happy they finally find one of your sort...

sAyCoJan 23, 20191 votes

you have nice magic damage dealt more than anyone in your team i guess.

please help this guy Riot.

Vegito101Jan 24, 20191 votes

Ahahaha If riot help him that will be desaster for community.everyone can go 1 15 in 22 minutes and say it is just bad game...

AladoronJan 23, 20191 votes

Well, you can always save a "movie" of the replay and push it to YT (or any other site), and share the link, so we can see it. Anyway, submitting a support ticket is your only way to go :\

But 16 deaths in 22 min? It's almost impossible to pull off. You placed exactly 0 wards. And you still have the dematerializer, did you even use it?

So no matter what you say, it really feels like you inted. If you post the replay, we may be able to say more. But i doubt your ban will be revoked. (And i think you deserve this punishment.)

Ps4SAOAsunaJan 23, 20191 votes

Again poor team comp.
No wards no nothing
Two ?

item 3285 first items not on TwistedFate for sure. I rushed item 3094 item 3087 item 3115 those items before that. I can tell you belong in Iron

Jo0oJan 23, 20191 votes

The purpose of this thread is to determine whether OP was intentionally feeding, no to just insult them. And that TF build seems weirder than OP’s. I know on-hit TF can work, but it’s hardly standard for that champ.

Vegito101Jan 24, 20191 votes

Dude is troll and make a joke...

Telephone BoothJan 23, 20191 votes

I know what intentional means, I know they dont ban players for just playing bad. But if you play a game half asleep, doing braindead shit as if you dont even have a team to work with, you should be banned. Bad mechanics is one thing. If you just suck at manipulating your buttons in a precise and quick manner, thats fine... youre just a low ELO player like me. But if you go into a game and play like you did... just not paying attention, going by yourself doing dangerous shit that will probably result in death with no progress made towards winning, OVER AND OVER, you should get banned. Wake the fuck up man. Pay attention.

But as for this specific case, going by the rules, I dont think intent can be established. Its just god awful, braindead playing. And I would hate you for it lol like wake up dude wtf. Youre just being lazy in a ranked match.

I do understand being distracted. just the other day my friend was being distracted by his daughter and was doing the dumbest shit tilting the hell out of me lol. So he logged off after that. It was just a normy, so I would say play unranked if you have distractions around, but you probably didnt exactly predict a mental breakdown lol.

blookittyJan 24, 20191 votes

Below are the three responses I got from support. The worst part is where they say this could result in a permanent ban if it happens one more time even though this was an accident. Between that and the fact that new ranked starts and I can't play with my bf, this has been an awful experience. It is like they are punishing me for not playing with my bf who camps my lane when I start to fall behind.

I would like a human to review my game. Players persuade their teammates to report for intentional feeding all of the time despite it not being intentional, and it happens to me especially often as I do not chat in-game (in game chat often leads to anger and distraction from playing well). Twisted Fate is a no mobility champion who is susceptible to repeated ganks by fed high-mobility champions. I am managed to still get decent farm despite the endless ganks and was hoping we could turn it around once it got to team fighting, but sometimes games just don't work out.

Support

Thanks for writing in. Now, I may not have the best news for you in this situation, but hopefully I'll be able to provide some context on why you were escalated to a suspension. I went ahead and looked into your account, and watched the game associated with your penalty. Our evidence shows that you were intentionally feeding, the penalty for doing so is a 2 week suspension. Feeding purposefully ruins the game for other players and we don’t tolerate anyone doing this in game. Since this is the case I won’t be able to remove or reduce the suspension. PLease be aware that this is a final warning before a permanent ban, even one more game of feeding can subject you to the ban. So make sure to focus on your own game play and try your best! Again, I’m sorry I dont have the best news here. If you have any other questions or if anything else was confusing about the penalty, feel free to let me know so we can discuss it further.

I would like to know what evidence you speak of? The only death that was particularly bad was the one to Urgot in top lane, and in that one I had a roommate who was distracting me and I didn't notice the TP until it was too late. Otherwise the rest of my deaths were due to the extreme mobility of the opposing team and the lack of a strong jungler on my own team to assist, and of course my limited skill as a low level ranked player.

Support

When watching the game I did see that you would tower dive the enemy, lower HP and level than them, and you would avoid team fights, as well as ult into the enemy team 3v1 a few times. We do consider this assisting the enemy team so the suspension will have to remain. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns though.

I did not tower dive a single time in the game. I died near their turret twice. Once I was doing damage and Kha'zix came up to me invisible, which I can't do anything about. The other one was an Urgot teleport and I didn't notice he was tele'ing in (roommate was having a mental breakdown while I was playing). I attempted to ult bot lane for a gank, but I locked the wrong card. I avoided team fights because I was trying to get the lanes pushed in our favor and I typically just ult to my teammates when the fight starts. I want someone else to review my replay who doesn't have such strict standards. If what you say is assisting the enemy team, we may as well ban all of bronze rank and half of silver as those things happen all the time. Both of my kills were "ults into the enemy team" so as far as I can tell, they were effective. One of the them the turret died right as I got there so I got hung out to dry, and the other one was bot lane but I locked the wrong card :(

Support

I do see that you run repeatedly into the enemy team while under leveled, no matter who they are or what level they are. I also see that you ult behind the enemy team where your team can not assist you a few times, out numbered and underleveled again. I know you play a lot of TF and we do expect players to try their best in every game. We all follow the same standards for this as well and the replay was watched by more agents as well to come to this conclusion. We dont feel that you were intentionally trying to win this game, so the suspension has to stay. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns though.

Jo0oJan 24, 20191 votes

I'm not convinced that you weren't inting, but if we assume that you were unjustly punished due to behavior that was interpreted as feeding, the logical long-term solution is to change and improve your play strategy.

You gotta use wards. You gotta. Getting deleted by a Kha'Zix isn't a good excuse when you have a zero vision score. Proper warding will demonstrably lower your deaths per game, and should make it virtually impossible to be mistaken for an intentional feeder.
Pick better fights. The support agent believes you to have intentionally fed because you engaged in fights with no hope for survival. This is a learned skill and isn't simply a switch you can flip, but please put more consideration into the fights you enter. If you're far behind, your stats simply aren't up to snuff to duel a fed opponent, let along multiple opponents. So, focus on farm.
Get better at wave management. Constantly pushing lanes provides favorable avenues to be ganked, as you were repeatedly in this game. If you allow the wave to be pushed further to your side of the map, you make yourself much more difficult to be ganked, and set your own jungler up better to gank for you. My favorite wave management streamer is SoloRenektonOnly, though he's a top-lane main, so I'm not sure how well his advice would translate to mid.
Put more thought into your build, and vary it depending on the opposing team. You tend to build almost the exact same thing every game, and it's a full glass-cannon build (no health, no resistances). There may very well be appropriate times for such a build, but most high-ranking TFs I see incorporate some tankiness into their builds, doing ROA -> Lich's -> Zhonya's. Off the top of my head as far as good TFs go, check out Gross Gore's builds for inspiration: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=gross+gore

I mention builds because most of your deaths were to that fed Kha'Zix. You could have given yourself a chance to survive his assassination attempts with a Zhonya's, or even just an early Armguard or Stopwatch.

I'm not a TF player so I can't give great advice on this, but generally speaking, use your ult more conservatively. TF ults are great for flanks and ganks, but if you ult into melee range, you're going to get demolished and potentially accused of inting. Maybe consider ulting further behind the fight and running into it, then working your way into ulting closer for maximum efficiency.

KVbqbFsC8eJan 24, 20191 votes

2/16/0 Twisted Fate in a ranked match. Intent should not matter at that point.

Jo0oJan 24, 20191 votes

Intent is literally all that matters.

blookittyJan 26, 20191 votes

you know its fine im not having fun playing with ppl who only care about results im done with this game it just disgust me that winning is all that ppl care about and playing the game doesnt seem to matter even the riot so im out account deletion request and in process. I just gonna go live a happy life doing something else cuz this is gaming company just promotes performance even though its all relative anyways. Im done with all the toxic drama and competitive bs. Theres way more to life than all this drama and judging. Peace out forever.