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Maybe there should be a form of pre-game report?

Myrza··42 votes·1,367 views

Forgive me if I have this on the wrong board, btw.

The purpose of this thread is not to say off meta picks are bad, but to talk about possible ways we can deal with troll picks/trolling in champ select

So I was queued for a game and I was placed into the mid lane role. Someone on our team banned Kayn when another teammate had picked him. (The other team also banned Kayn as well.) Our team was first pick and I was the second to pick on my team. The person above me (who is the first to pick their champion) was placed in the support role but took my intended pick, which was Ahri. Our person queued for jungle locked in Ashe and said it worked. Before the pre-game ended, the person playing Ahri support switched their exhaust for Smite and said in the game they would double jungle, leaving our Varus alone in the bot lane.

I really don't think this is an okay thing to do, so maybe there needs to be a Report button or something for pre-game? I did report the two post game (along with other things they did during the game) but I'm not sure if Support would take into consideration anything they did before the game actually started. Of course, the pre game report can be for other various things as well.

Edit: I want to clarify I'm not against off Meta picks. The issue with the Ashe player is that they purposely chose an off meta champion out of saltiness because their intended pick was banned. I have no idea what the Ahri player was thinking, but not only were they queued for support and decided to play double jungle at the last minute, they purposely chose a champion that was someone else's intended pick. I would have no reason to report them for anything if they had stayed in lane with Varus and actually played support (though I admit I will still be a little salty about them taking my intended pick). They said "why should I care?" In game when I pointed that out, so then it was very clear they wanted to troll. These people weren't OTPs or mains. If they were I would trust their decision to play those champs.

Edit 2: also to clarify, everyone on our team was matched up with us previously. Kayn was also banned in the previous match, causing what I assume is the Ashe-Kayn player to Dodge. For whatever reason, the system matches all of us again. Kayn is banned again but they choose Ashe. What I don't understand is why the system likes to match the exact same people up if someone dodged.

24 Comments

TerribleTheHero6 votes

I know they're looking into ways to help correct player behavior in before game lobbies, but I'm not sure how they're going to go about it.

Too many times games start off on the wrong foot because of arguments or team issues in pick-ban, but it's a hard thing to fix. If they implement a "kick" system, players can just get kicked because the team doesn't like their champion or they want to find another person to try to get different roles (because of auto fill). 4-man lobbies can attack the random for not picking certain champions, and a pre-game report system would in the end be the same as a post-game report system (unless they gave you the option to file for two different reports to add priority, but I think that would just make it more complicated, especially if they ended up being a cool guy).

I completely agree with you, but every proposed method doesn't seem to have a safe-proof.

Do you have any ideas? [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

Bob the Toastr1 votes

No such thing as 4-man lobbies in ranked, either solo/duo or flex.

TerribleTheHero6 votes

Normal Draft and Blind would still have to have the same implemented feature as they face the same problems.

SuicideAll1 votes

5 minute dodge timer. No other penalties.

lc02911 votes

Why not have an option when you report them post game for being toxic, or trolling pregame

Myrza1 votes

Hey I actually like this idea a lot. If we voted to kick someone because of trolling, everyone else shouldn't be penalised

If someone gets kicked because get are trolling in champ select they should not get severely punished right away no matter how weird that sounds. They should be placed in a low priority queue, then given wait timers, and then riot can take disciplinary action against he player if they've been kicked enough

scazzman1 votes

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Hey I actually like this idea a lot. If we voted to kick someone because of trolling, everyone else shouldn't be penalised

If someone gets kicked because get are trolling in champ select they should not get severely punished right away no matter how weird that sounds. They should be placed in a low priority queue, then given wait timers, and then riot can take disciplinary action against he player if they've been kicked enough

You can't even penalize them with wait timers. I would actually even suggest making it look to the kicked player like the game was dodged and immediately put back in queue. And you cant punish based on the number of votekicks because that severely hurts off meta players . A votekick would simply disband the lobby, and prevent the person being kicked from being matched with the team that kicked them for one game.

Also. To protect off meta players. Premades share votekick tokens, and if a player is votekicked more then 3 games in a row.they are given kick protection. Players below honor level 2 however are not

Myrza1 votes

The tokens sound like a great idea! On the flip side if it's a premade of trolls it would be difficult to dish out punishment

You also have a valid argument about the off meta players, actually. I know a lot of people play off meta, but troll picking into an off meta champ...

RacoonHunter3 votes

One thing that would solve it, the ability to dodge 1-2 games a day with no lock out penalty. see someone toxic? free dodge and move onto the next one.

scazzman2 votes

My suggestion would be to implement a vote kick system. But make it so it can only be initiated by the same player every 5 games, and if the player initating the vote is in a premade, everyone in their group is locked from votekicking for 5 games as well, however locked players may still vote on existing kick attempts. this allows you to avoid obvious trolls, while preventing premades from kicking people if someone on their team gets autofilled or if someone wants to play off meta. It would also requre a 3/2 majority. To prevent duo trolls from vetoing.

Then. After a successful votekick report screen will pop up with the following options.

  • the player was being abusive in chat
  • the player was threatening to troll or throw the game
  • the player was refusing to communicate
  • the player deliberately banned an allies champ.
  • none of the above

The player kicked would receive zero penalty. barring any review by the report system , and be immediately placed back in the queue

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

With your system players who play off meta may be kicked over and over. It affects those players disproportionately.

scazzman2 votes

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With your system players who play off meta may be kicked over and over. It affects those players disproportionately.

I feel like most people would save their votekick for a legitimate troll as opposed to someone trying to play vayne jungle or solo lane soraka, if you're getting votekicked repeatedly you're doing more then playing off meta

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

It only takes one person to start a vote. 4 people can do it in each lobby. I'm fairly certain off meta players are going to have to deal with kick votes in most of their lobbies.

NotSpecialDude2 votes

The idea does have merit though. It just needs some fine tweaking.

How about this? You can only vote kick someone who has already locked in their champ. This gives off meta players the opportunity to argue their case. If they can't convince their team to be ok with their pick (or at least the majority) then the kick will be fine. It isn't a punishable offence and they can queue again rather then spend 20 mins in a game where they are the scapegoat for the team's problems.

Myrza1 votes

Yeah, I feel like this system should only be placed in draft modes, both normal and ranked (I don't play any ranked, so I don't know much about the system there tbh) If someone is just playing normal blind, I don't think it would be fair to them because they weren't queued and placed into a specific role by the matchmaking system.

TicketToMyDreams1 votes

Yes, I fully agree with that. I had a teammate ban my ezreal just because quote: "It's a sh~t champ" as I hovered over it and being in the tilted state I was, I inted the game and got banned. There should be a report system for pre-game in the form where 3 out of the 4 remaining players can cast a vote and cancel the queue, punishing the trolling guy to wait as if he dodged a queue (30 mins) and in repeated offense just ban him altogether. Champ select trolling exists and it affects the whole game afterwards, but the people that do it get away with it. Rito pls.

Myrza1 votes

Man that sucks. I there are a lot of champs I really hate but I don't ban them unless it's for good reason (for example Yasuo unless a teammate hovered him)

Noblewind1 votes

Isn't easy for Riot, I can totally see the need for this but at the same time see people just reporting others for something as simple as picking a non meta champ they don't agree with. You know it would happen.

MonkeyMadness1 votes

Nope, and both of them should receive instant permabans for shitting on ranked integrity and obvious trolling. But they never will because riot games doesn't give a flying fuck.

ChuShoe1 votes

Nah dude, you're just a meta sheep MAAAAAAAAn. Experimental builds work it's OBVIOUSLY your fault for not making it work my dude.

Honestly though, jungler roles should be forced to take smite, as well as vice versa for other lanes.

ChaosThief1 votes

Well technically, there's the off-route screenshot and file a report directly with support. It's a stretch, but still an option.

It would be much more convenient to include something within the client, so +1.

I suck at Jhin1 votes

We should be able to just report players by clicking a newly added "report" button, it would have same window as normal reporting window except you could enter the name by hand manually.

That way no-lifers like you could do nothing all day but keep spamming riot with random report tickets because riot has nothing better to do than just read them, lul.

Kartagia1 votes

I am sorry, but RIot has not been able to implement this feature since season 2 they promise it to us.

Instead they have implemented punishment to queue dodgers.

Siredor1 votes

we really need that there are people that troll champion select to force player leave and publicly brags about it

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