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AutoBan system is BROKEN.

BestShacoAlive··1 votes·728 views

Info many of us dont know.. You cant tell other players to report someone? I mean i been playing for years same as you and remember when we didnt have this auto ban system? Your point is fair but, fire + fire (two people arguing) shouldnt = riot adding more gas (both accounts getting banned.) Both players getting banned gets dosnt fix anything so IMO reports should be negated by other reports.. if 2 people argue in a game and they report each other the reports should get dropped as it was between them. Some situations where ppl have friends and can get more reports on 1 person should be looked at. Thats just how I feel and I personally will never see this system as anything other than harmful to player attitude. To some it may help reform them but to most it will do nothing but make them more toxic and angry. I see the auto system as nothing more than a lazy way to go through all the reports without an actual person looking at it... a cheaper way to have less employees. The sooner you ppl see this and stop turning a blind eye the sooner it can get fixed. There is something called playful banter that me and my friend and lots of other people do... this is when you joke a tease a little about things they can improve on. It made me better.. hearing those jokes helped me to see my mistakes and strive to fix them and get better but... most of you players take a lot of words personal and are so quick to just press the report button not realizing at all what its doing to them or caring for that matter. Its pointless and you are no better for doing that than the person who said a few unkind words. I want you ppl to realize this is the INTERNET and unkind words exchanged everyday and it is not unusual! and by any means worth account suspending / ban punishment. Being chat ban is one thing... if they cant talk that fixes the problem dont ya think?... or if riot would add and actually disable chat button?... I WAS BORN IN THE USA AND WE HAVE FREEDOM TO SAY WHAT WE WANT! but are dictated this game?!.. Look at tyler1 people. Has been banned and yet still plays over and over still saying what he wants because of the system. This is a free to play game and there is nothing anyone can do about someone making a new account and playing again.. So why do you feel the need to ban them? and be so rude about it on top of it... A good amount of ppl I see on here act like their S**T dosnt stink. Well it does.. and you are no better than the rest.. we all have bad days and are human. Keep this in mind

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Weathered7 votes

  1. Asking someone to report someone along with you doesn't change anything. One report a game will make the system check, it can't check any harder.

  2. If two people tell each other to kill themselves they will both be punished. If I steal your tv and you steal my couch we don't both get off Scott free, we go to jail.

  3. Playful banter is different from toxicity. If you are bantering with a friend make it clear that both of you are ok with it so people won't report you. If its a random person just don't "banter" with then.

  4. League of Legends is not the internet.

  5. You don't understand freedom of speech. FoS says that the government can't censor you. Riot isn't the government. You accepted their agreement so they get to do whatever they want. Also the game is played worldwide, not just in America.

Also please use formatting or at least proper grammar to make this easier to read.

BestShacoAlive1 votes

^ this is the other side of the coin. im just saying my opinion. and. i. do it to. make ppl like u mad breh

Astôlfo4 votes

Coincidentally, you also got banned. Gee, I wonder why.

BestShacoAlive1 votes

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archerno13 votes

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chat ban? for a couple games? yea as youre looking at a another post creeping maybe i can give you my fb and number so you can learn more

Even for 1. There is no "eh i can break rules in few games". You shouldnt do it in ANY of the games. Also whats that with "freedom of speech" nonsense?

BestShacoAlive1 votes

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archerno13 votes

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so never type in game? go read the other post if you want. all youre doing is making a team game less of a team game, opinions are like an a**holes they stink and i dont care about them

U can type without being negative or toxic. Its easy trust me. Ill give u some tips: If your teammates does something good you can say "good job man, that was awesome". If he fails you can say "ey its ok, it happens to everyone". If someone is having bad game and feeding alot you can say "hey mate, hang in there, we will try to help you". If you are losing game instead of "report my team" you can say "wp guys, we did our best".

If you need more tips i can give u alot. Always glad to help toxic person reform.

BestShacoAlive1 votes

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archerno13 votes

{quoted}

hurt your feelings?

How? Saying that u dont care about opinions isnt really hurting anyones feeling.

BestShacoAlive1 votes

Also i get what youre saying but im just saying that riots auto system is not the answer. Take almost any other gaming company blizz , valv alot of others and look at their player reform system. Its better. I already understand what youre saying about fos and how riot isnt the government but im saying riot is more anal and naz* about it than anyone else now and they never use to be. This is mainly bc of the autoban system.

ModPrandine1 votes

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Also i get what youre saying but im just saying that riots auto system is not the answer. Take almost any other gaming company blizz , valv alot of others and look at their player reform system. Its better. I already understand what youre saying about fos and how riot isnt the government but im saying riot is more anal and naz* about it than anyone else now and they never use to be. This is mainly bc of the autoban system.

The system only punishes if it detects a pattern of consistent negative behavior. Manual reviews are occasionally done though for more extreme cases. If you've done nothing wrong then you don't have to worry about being punished. From Riot Tantram:

Actually, Erdrik is correct here.

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing .. unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

Also, many other game companies are following Riots lead and implementing systems to help better combat toxicity within their games. In LoL at least retaliation will not allow you to get off scott free. If someone refuses to stop acting up then muting them rather than flaming them will prevent you from being punished alongside them. From Understanding the Tribunal:

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.

P.S. As far as Freedom of Speech goes, from Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

Freedom of Speech!!!!!”

Doesn’t apply. No really. If we’re talking about American law, the First Amendment only applies to the government making laws that prohibit speech and, even then, freedom of speech isn’t absolute. For example, you can’t incite a riot, plan to kill the president or yell fire in a crowded theater.

Also, there’s nothing in the First Amendment that protects you from the consequences of your speech. People are fired all the time for making derogatory comments about their employer. My workplace, for example, has a social media policy that says that I can be terminated for badmouthing the company. They don’t ask for passwords and access as some companies have been known to do, but it wouldn’t be all that difficult to find me on the internet, knowing my real name, phone number and address.

DrCyanide1 votes

It's because of the community's reputation for being the most toxic gaming community. The other major game companies don't have that reputation to overcome.

Riot tried the manual system with the original Tribunal, and it got so backlogged you'd be lucky to see any action on a report for months. There's a million players active each month, there's simply too many games to review manually without becoming a cynic and banning everyone. You can see that just in the responses that get posted to this board, people get sick of the same crap and just say "ban deserved".

I also find it funny that around the same time you posted this there's another guy complaining about manual review of matches.

Weathered1 votes

Fyi Blizzard's got even stricter rules on player behavior and will ban you on the spot without caring.

archerno13 votes

Too long to read...

Astôlfo3 votes

Joke threads go in M&G.

S0kaX1 votes

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Joke threads go in M&G.

:))

S0kaX2 votes

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor you can simply mute him.

BestShacoAlive1 votes

this

MagicFlyingLlama2 votes

_ I WAS BORN IN THE USA AND WE HAVE FREEDOM TO SAY WHAT WE WANT!_

Wrong. Sorry to shock you like this, but freedom of speech does not mean you get to defame, threaten or verbally assault others.

It means you have the right to voice your political, religious, scientific and other opinions without the government or other people being able to restrict them, unless they violate other laws. Riot games is A; not the government, and B: i am fairly sure a vomit of threads and stupidity is not something you can defend with freedom of speech.

Since you take such pride in being a US citizen, maybe learn what freedom actually means, instead of being a disgrace to your country and using it as an excuse to justify your behavior.

Zombiemaster1 votes

if 2 people argue in a game and they report each other the reports should get dropped as it was between them.

The argument may have been between those 2 people, but the argument affects more than just the 2 people. It affects everyone on their team as well, bringing down team morale. Both players were exhibiting unacceptable behavior, so I don't see why reports the should cancel each other out.

Some situations where ppl have friends and can get more reports on 1 person should be looked at.

I don't really agree with this. Riot has specifically made the system to make sure that players in a premade group don't have any extra power than solo players when it comes to reports. Now, if the multiple reports come from players that aren't in a premade group together, I can see something like this having some effect.,

However, something to keep in mind is that Riot isn't looking to punish players for a single bad game/day, they're more looking to punish players who exhibit consistent negative behavior. Unless, of course, the behavior shown in the single bad game is quite severe and deserving of an escalated punishment.

There is something called playful banter that me and my friend and lots of other people do... this is when you joke a tease a little about things they can improve on.

Personally, I'm all for playful banter. It can keep the game interesting and fun for me. However, there comes a point where playful banter crosses over to simply being a jerk. Saying something like "Wow, nice try :P" after an opponent barely failed a tower dive I personally would say is acceptable, but saying "Damn, get rekt bitch" isn't. That is simply poor sportsmanship.

As for constructive criticism, it's pretty much the same thing. There's constructive criticism, and then there's simply being a jerk. There are plenty of ways to offer advice on how to improve without being negative. Saying "Could you please play safer and not overextend" is acceptable, saying "OMG, stop overextending, fucking feeder" isn't.

I WAS BORN IN THE USA AND WE HAVE FREEDOM TO SAY WHAT WE WANT!

Yes, you do have the freedom to say what you want, but Riot also has the freedom to decide what is acceptable in their own game. The Freedom of Speech granted to us by the First Amendment only protects us from the government. It does not apply to private entities, like Riot Games.

ModPrandine

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There are plenty of ways to offer advice on how to improve with being negative.

I think you meant to say "without being negative" here ;).

Zombiemaster1 votes

Why yes, yes I did. Fixed it :P

Eisenhammer1 votes

It is broken...I had 3 Games with dudes that troll hard and flame on me and want to Report me.What i said was..."i will Report them".No bad word...no flame etc.And exactly those 3 games was mention when i got a auto-permabann.Again,i was not flaming or "extreme toxic"..no even toxic. Permaban just i tell some really extreme toxic dudes that i will Report them is a bit hard in my opinion.

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