Permabans need to be IP Bans (Reasoning)

ZanyBugSushi··1 votes·415 views

So, recently I invited a friend to play league of legends, and he told me he didn't want to play league because of the know toxicity of the player base. I said, it's just occasionally you find people who are tilted. While playing in normals with him as he was leveling up his account, we came across a lot of players who make new accounts because their main accounts were perma banned, in fact the percentage of low level account players are mostly players who were permabanned for flaming and whatnot. According to league statistics this is less than .6% of the player base. If this is the case, these toxic few are making the new players' experience of League of legends worse and as a result less inviting and very hostile. The players who are banned because of their behavior typically do the following:

  1. Players who get banned and make new accounts call a role and if they dont' get it they rage and feed or ruin the game for other players on their team in some way.
  2. Players " who fall behind or start losing their lanes start abusing the jungler or start flaming their team and blaming everyone else.
  3. Players " also tend to like to feed by constantly fighting and then blaming their team for not carrying them or grouping up with them when they themselves ran headlong into a 1v3.
  4. Players on the enemy team either when ahead or behind who try to flame the enemy players and get them to become tilted as their strategy for winning.
  5. Etc. etc. the list goes on.

At the end of the day, this game is what keeps me coming back for more, and these players are what keeps me from wanting to play more and likely are what's holding back a lot of new players from joining this game. I think not all players are like this, but there's an extremely high percentage of these really toxic players at low level accounts due to their perma bans, and this causes them to be the first players new players get to experience. My friend told me he doesn't want to ever play league of legends again after a few games of this, and honestly I don't blame him, there's been a LOT of flaming in those normal games and honestly it makes me sad that these players don't learn or change and continue to be toxic to the community and to other players. Players like these should receive an IP ban after a certain number of new accounts. This does mean tracking player IP after each permanent ban is issued, and checking the IP of new account creations but I think if this is implimented the game will eventually be rid of these toxic players for good.

12 Comments

Timethief495 votes

IP bans dont really Work. You can change your IP quite easily. Also many can have the same IP (College dorms) which can Hurt people who did nothing.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

IP bans are super easy to circumvent through things like IP masking. They can also REALLY hurt college networks and Cyber Cafes, which is where a surprisingly large part of League's playerbase plays.

So it's an ultimately ineffective method that has the potential to hit a lot of innocent players.

ZanyBugSushi1 votes

I just feel like there should be a way to make the new player experience better by making sure banned players also can't make new accounts.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

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I just feel like there should be a way to make the new player experience better by making sure banned players also can't make new accounts.

Maybe, but I'm pretty sure that Riot has explored that possibility pretty extensively. What would work? IP bans clearly don't. You can't tie it to a phone number since burner numbers exists and not everyone has a phone. You can't tie it to a credit card number as the game is 13+. You can't tie it to a Facebook account since not everyone has one, and that means Riot is dependent on another company for verification. What would you suggest?

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=x9zi043P,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-10-15T15:24:02.542+0000)

Maybe, but I'm pretty sure that Riot has explored that possibility pretty extensively. What would work? IP bans clearly don't. You can't tie it to a phone number since burner numbers exists and not everyone has a phone. You can't tie it to a credit card number as the game is 13+. You can't tie it to a Facebook account since not everyone has one, and that means Riot is dependent on another company for verification. What would you suggest?

i would suggest going the dota2 route. in order to play RANKED. you need a phone number. but normals can be played without verification

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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i would suggest going the dota2 route. in order to play RANKED. you need a phone number. but normals can be played without verification

And that could work, but toxicity in normals is just as bad as toxicity in ranked, expendable phone numbers are still easy to get, and it's not especially fair to many of the children playing this game who may not have access to phones. League is a game for ages 13 and up, and not every 13 year old who may want to play has access to a phone, sometimes due to parental decisions, financial status, or something else.

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=x9zi043P,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-15T20:35:01.848+0000)

And that could work, but toxicity in normals is just as bad as toxicity in ranked, expendable phone numbers are still easy to get, and it's not especially fair to many of the children playing this game who may not have access to phones. League is a game for ages 13 and up, and not every 13 year old who may want to play has access to a phone, sometimes due to parental decisions, financial status, or something else.

want my honest opinion. 13 year olds shouldnt be playing ranked

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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want my honest opinion. 13 year olds shouldnt be playing ranked

And you can have that opinion. Ranked is not, however, aged gated, nor would there be a way to enforce that restriction if there was age-gating.

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=x9zi043P,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-15T21:18:08.551+0000)

And you can have that opinion. Ranked is not, however, aged gated, nor would there be a way to enforce that restriction if there was age-gating.

that said, i still think the phone verification is a good idea

General Esdeath 1 votes

I say go for SSN like Korea :^)

This Is Your Dad1 votes

Pay to play is the only way, attach the account to a debit card and permanently ban use of that card after a ban. Dunno.

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