I got chat restricted for asking the other team to report someone who used a racial slur

A Fire Rises·May 4, 2016·17 votes·2,657 views

Title says it all. I asked the other team to report the adc for calling me a n-word, f-word and while he didn' get banned I got chat restricted. Also before you say "well you were probably toxic in your other games." That was the only match listed on the reform card. This infuriates me since it was a premade who harassed me all match, then lied at the end and asked the other team to report me. I don't play league to experience racism and homophobia.

Here's the reform card so you know I'm not just blatantly lying.

55 Comments

DenavaiMay 4, 20168 votes

This deserves attention. You don't deserve a restriction for that. This is how retarded their current policies are, and exactly why people are pissed about them. You cannot even stand up for yourself or ask for moral support during a 20-50 minute game? Just sit there and take the verbal abuse? Bullshit.

Maximum MordeMay 4, 20167 votes

He 100% deserved the chat restriction. I don't like listening to little butt hurt emos whine in chat any more than I like seeing someone spam obscenities and slurs into chat. Both are obnoxious as hell.

DenavaiMay 4, 20163 votes

Thus we have the conundrum. Inconsiderate pricks like you. Another form of toxicity; It's not me so fuck you. Right?

And trust me. I dont like the whining and complaining myself, but we're all playing into these rules and policies, while having to deal with this sort of verbal harassment at the same time. Why do I have to watch my speech when I'm dealing with this sort of harassment in nearly every one of my games. Play the game less, or not at all is the obvious answer, but we're not going to do that.

Competitive play involves using the rules fully to your advantage. Yet we still don't understand them. I don't like people breaking the rules, but when I detest the rules even more? Having something that just screws over everyone helps no-one.

You wouldn't even be in sector if you didn't have some interest or trouble with bm. I know thats why I'm here. Else I'd have never came to the forums in the first place.

Maximum MordeMay 4, 20162 votes

{quoted} .

You wouldn't even be in sector if you didn't have some interest or trouble with bm. I know thats why I'm here. Else I'd have never came to the forums in the first place.

Yep. I enjoy the butthurt of people who get banned. For some reason it makes me laugh because the reason they got banned is themselves. Something about watching karma in action is entertaining.

franticFurballMay 4, 20164 votes

He 100% deserved the chat restriction

Uh huh, according to whom?

The great community of League, where players get reported for using emotes, which are an ingame function?

Just waiting for the day when this: "That guy dared to oneshot me with his ult! I find that offensive! REPOOORT!" becomes a thing in League.

I know why I switched to Overwatch :D

eastcoastblazeMay 4, 20161 votes

Hehe xd

PennsMay 4, 20161 votes

According to most people on this board. Normally, "asking for reports is banable and should be punished". The only difference is that for some reason this guy is downvoted lel

franticFurballMay 4, 20161 votes

According to most people on this board

Since these people are part of the same community, where threads that demand using emotes should be punishable get upvotes, I am disinclined to take anything from that source seriously :D

Maximum MordeMay 5, 20161 votes

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The only difference is that for some reason this guy is downvoted lel

I get downvoted because I'm not willing to be PC and sugar coat reality. I just say things how they actually are. This causes untold amounts of today's young adults to feel shaken to their very core because the only thing they know is participation trophies and being told they are special and everyone is good in their own way. To that I say, go serve a few tours in Iraq.

The downvotes mean nothing to me, they just validate my understanding of their behavior because it is exactly what I expected when I posted.

eastcoastblazeMay 4, 20163 votes

Right now you're being more toxic than him

Maximum MordeMay 4, 20161 votes

I uploaded my picture for you.

http://www.eventprophire.com/_images/products/large/20070625181919_Toxic%20Waste%20Barrel%20[640x480].jpg

eastcoastblazeMay 4, 20161 votes

Hehe xd

AraMoOseMay 4, 20168 votes

Here's a tip for you next time : There is NO benefit whatsoever from having anyone ELSE report her. If you feel she deserves to be reported, you report her. The problem here is that the tribunal is a defense system which you use to protect the community from jerks, but you are using it like a sharp stick to poke people with.

   Just report, that's all you need to do.

TrulyBlandMay 4, 20163 votes

The problem here is that the tribunal is a defense system which you use to protect the community from jerks, but you are using it like a sharp stick to poke people with.

I'm going to shamelessly steal this amazing explanation from you and use it myself.

AraMoOseMay 4, 20162 votes

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I'm going to shamelessly steal this amazing explanation from you and use it myself.

Oh thank you, for what it's worth, I stole it from Michael Ammar.

AMYS GRAVEMay 4, 20164 votes

this ^ multiple reports have no more weight than one.

Colgate GatorMay 4, 20167 votes

While asking for bans can backfire, you gloriously played yourself by saying what he said.

You have to understand that the system giving chat restrictions and minor bans is automated for the moment, and of course it will pick up the racial slurs and if whoever made that system is competentet, they also added its variations, and since yiou were fighting with someone, they most likely reported you, so the system chcked you and caught the words, so the warning came up.

Play it a bit smarter next time, or better yet, just mute and report them.

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20165 votes

Have you checked the in client report card for more games? The email always only gives 1 chat log, but the client can give up to 3. You should also know that the logs they give you are just meant to be an example(s) of your behavior, not a comprehensive list of everything you have done. So just because this was the only log you received doesn't mean it was the only thing you did.

As other mentioned report lobbying is considered harassment. I have always interpreted that as a drop in the bucket rather than anything serious and this would be first otherwise, clean looking case I have seen punished for it. For future reference, there is no reason to ask anyone to report anyone. The system works off of reported games, not raw number of reports. So getting additional reports doesn't do anything.

Another possibility is the that the system picked up on you parroting the hate speech. This seems unlikely to be what happened to me since that would have escalated your punishment to a 14 day ban.

If there are no additional chat logs in the client reform card then I would submit a support ticket. Make sure to specifically mention the repeating hate speech thing.

A Fire RisesMay 4, 20162 votes

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Have you checked the in client report card for more games? The email always only gives 1 chat log, but the client can give up to 3. You should also know that the logs they give you are just meant to be an example(s) of your behavior, not a comprehensive list of everything you have done. So just because this was the only log you received doesn't mean it was the only thing you did.

As other mentioned report lobbying is considered harassment. I have always interpreted that as a drop in the bucket rather than anything serious and this would be first otherwise, clean looking case I have seen punished for it. For future reference, there is no reason to ask anyone to report anyone. The system works off of reported games, not raw number of reports. So getting additional reports doesn't do anything.

Another possibility is the that the system picked up on you parroting the hate speech. This seems unlikely to be what happened to me since that would have escalated your punishment to a 14 day ban.

If there are no additional chat logs in the client reform card then I would submit a support ticket. Make sure to specifically mention the repeating hate speech thing.

Yeah it was the only log listed in both the client and my email. I'll refrain from using exact quotes next time but it bothered me so much at the time because I'm from a mixed family and didn't want them to get away with it. I already sent a ticket this morning and am waiting on the reply.

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20165 votes

Don't just refrain from repeating it. You should not, under any circumstances, be trying to get other people to report someone. If you think something needs to be reported then you report it and that is it. The reports addition reports you are trying to get from the people in your game don't accomplish anything and lobbying for them is considered harassment and opens yourself up to punishment.

ErksuoMay 6, 20161 votes

I mean as long as you wait till the end game you will be safe when asking to report people, just wait till then and mute them till. you will be fine.

ZaryelleMay 10, 20161 votes

I know this is mostly black and white, but there are some gray areas in which I believe it is acceptable to ask for reports, in which I don't care if I get punished if the person really deserved to be reported by everyone. I'm not going out of my way to get this person punished, if they are disrupting the game that much that I ask for reports, it's a rare case indeed.

Some people will let someone swear and trash talk the entire game and not report them. All you have to say is 'report rager' or 'report trolls' without saying anyone's name, and everyone will know who it is which is evidence that they do indeed deserved to be reported.

I mean I don't see how it is harassment, when a player is disrupting the game so much that all I have to do is say 'report troll' or 'report raging' and everyone knows who I'm talking about.. they are bringing it on themselves, I'm just bringing it the others' attention more than it already was. Another thing you can do is just call out actions at the end 'report turret diving' or something 'report intentional feeding', not spamming it of course, but if it applies then use it. in this case he could say' report racism' or 'report racial slurs' and all he is doing is saying "There is some player in this game violating rule x, if you witnessed this, report it plz" without using their name at all. If I got banned for alerting other players that rule breaking is going on and to please report it, that I would quit this game in a second

Same thing if there's a bot on my team I'll say "if you think there are bots in this game, report them plz" at the end instead of calling them out.

Atlas The BirdMay 10, 20161 votes

I see your point, but whether or not 10 people report or 1 person reports per game it doesn't matter. As someone said, the system looks for how many games the player is reported, not how many people actually report the person.

Therefore there's no real reason to ask for other player's reports, provided you send in yours.

ZaryelleMay 10, 20161 votes

Is there a quote on this? Because I've heard that it does keep track of every # of reports not just how many games reported.

If not then it should analyze both number of games reported and total number of reports, both are important for identifying if the player deserves to be banned, not just one or the other.

Reason being, you could have one person that just reports someone every game for little or no reason, so those players are racking up number of games reported when it was just some childish person reporting left and right. Compare that to if you noticed that this person was only reported by 1 person every game it means significantly less than if 4+ players reported them every game.

SmokedAlmondsMay 10, 20161 votes

If it is 1 time in the context of a reminder at the end of the game, I don't personally care about it. I don't recall ever reporting someone specifically for asking for reports.

However, it is pointlessly reckless to ask others to report in anyways. It accomplishes nothing. It does not aid in getting them punished. The only thing it does is open yourself up to being punished as well. Your report is the only thing needed to flag the game for review.

VerxintMay 4, 20164 votes

Don't say "nr" or "ft" in chat for one

Two, soliciting for reports is against the rules because all chat becomes a "report report report report report" fest.

Odds are the system saw you said "report" and those two slurs.

PDE5 InhibMay 4, 20163 votes

I think it's because the community is filled with pansies that get their feelings hurt when asking for reports. League players the biggest babies I've come across. Best thing to do is simply not chat, that way they can't cry that saying "please don't chase the tank into the unwarded jg" hurts their feelings and ruins their fun.

FovereMay 4, 20162 votes

Behavior enforcement in League is pretty much all done by numbers.

If you play with friends you'll receive less reports overall, and you're unlikely to get much punishment. If you solo queue you'll receive a hell of a lot more.

The actual threshold now for a report to be "valid" is so absurdly low it strongly discourages any sort of interaction with teammates at all.

Telephone BoothMay 4, 20161 votes

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Behavior enforcement in League is pretty much all done by numbers.

If you play with friends you'll receive less reports overall, and you're unlikely to get much punishment. If you solo queue you'll receive a hell of a lot more.

The actual threshold now for a report to be "valid" is so absurdly low it strongly discourages any sort of interaction with teammates at all.

"Any sort of negative interaction with teammates at all." Ftfy

FovereMay 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wfXdKMOe,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2016-05-04T21:37:04.047+0000)

"Any sort of negative interaction with teammates at all." Ftfy

Except that's incorrect.

For fear of things turning into something Riot deems "negative" or "unsportsmanlike", most people elect not to say anything at all.

Harassment / hate speech are generally obvious. If you are talking about your teammate's hygiene, social status, and mother's sexual proclivities, you are harassing that person. If you tell them not to f'ing push your lane , you're talking about the game. If they don't like it they can mute you, but its game related.

Negativity and "unsportsmanlike conduct" are subjective. What we really mean by this is being crass, or impolite, or even simply being direct.

Another way to put it is being respectful, or courteous.

However respect is not a right, it is something you can gain and lose.

If someone is not giving a basic level of effort and attention to the game, they will lose the respect of their teammates and they will have earned the "negative" comments attributed them. Yet the you-tube watching, texting, facebook-checking teammate is considered to be perfectly fine by Riot's TOS, where anyone who points it out is somehow deserving of punishment.

The policies should be protecting the integrity of the game and not trying to prevent consequences for the actions people take.

Telephone BoothMay 5, 20161 votes

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Except that's incorrect.

For fear of things turning into something Riot deems "negative" or "unsportsmanlike", most people elect not to say anything at all.

Harassment / hate speech are generally obvious. If you are talking about your teammate's hygiene, social status, and mother's sexual proclivities, you are harassing that person. If you tell them not to f'ing push your lane , you're talking about the game. If they don't like it they can mute you, but its game related.

Negativity and "unsportsmanlike conduct" are subjective. What we really mean by this is being crass, or impolite, or even simply being direct.

Another way to put it is being respectful, or courteous.

However respect is not a right, it is something you can gain and lose.

If someone is not giving a basic level of effort and attention to the game, they will lose the respect of their teammates and they will have earned the "negative" comments attributed them. Yet the you-tube watching, texting, facebook-checking teammate is considered to be perfectly fine by Riot's TOS, where anyone who points it out is somehow deserving of punishment.

The policies should be protecting the integrity of the game and not trying to prevent consequences for the actions people take.

I get your point but I feel it's being a little dramatic and exaggerated. Telling your teammate to f'n push your lane IS negative. If you type "push your lane" once every few minutes, it's not negative. If you spam it, it's negative. There still is a negative/positive/neutral difference. Just because it's subjective doesn't mean that it doesn't matter whether it's negative or not.

I talk to my teammates all the time because even though it is somewhat subjective, it's still pretty much common sense what is negative and what is neutral or positive. Just adding the "f'n" turns it negative because of context. Some kids don't understand language, and that's why people argue and say something wasn't meant negatively. The importance of using extreme words like fuck is lost on younger people. That doesn't mean there's no difference or that it's super blurry. I think it's a really blurred line for hmm.. sorry to be crass but, dumb people.

But I do understand what you're saying. I believe you said something like you shouldn't talk to teammates ever (I'm on a phone so it's be a hassle to look up your exact quote) which is just flat out wrong. You shouldn't talk negatively to teammates. I feel like you're spreading paranoia with your fear of Riots policies.

EDIT: OK I looked back (that wasn't so hard was it?) and I get that to some people their policies are discouraging any communication,but to those who understand the difference between Negativity, neutrality and positivity, it doesn't discourage at all. I've never felt discouraged to throw in my 2 cents on what I think would be a good move in game. I've never not said hello out of fear that that's a negative interaction. I've never had a warning. You're exaggerating because you don't like how strict riot has become. Sorry to put words in your mouth (or thoughts in your mind), but that's usually how it goes. People don't like something so they go around exaggerating and spreading Negativity about it to sway opinions. I know that's why you said it. You know riot doesn't discourage any interaction at all with teammates. They only discourage negative interactions.

MasterSomethingMay 4, 20161 votes

You kinda recited what he said. Very lucky it wasn't a ban. Asking for reports is reportable, and not needed. You only need one report to get someone marked. On its own, you would be fine, but because you recited the words, you got punished. Very lucky, because those words usually bump you up to a ban on their own.

Chibi VydraMay 11, 20161 votes

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You kinda recited what he said. Very lucky it wasn't a ban. Asking for reports is reportable, and not needed. You only need one report to get someone marked. On its own, you would be fine, but because you recited the words, you got punished. Very lucky, because those words usually bump you up to a ban on their own.

False -- enough reported games cause your account to rise in report points. Enough points makes you go up to another punishment tier. Tiers are as followed: 10-game chat restriction, 30 game chat restriction, 3 day ban, 14 day ban, permaban. Your account drops 1 tier every 90 days. The amount of reports doesn't matter, only the amount of games you were reported at least once in. No one from riot every audits this unless you make an appeal. Even a permaban is fully automatic and isn't worth a quick 5 minute audit from riot. Yes, I'm projecting.

MasterSomethingMay 11, 20161 votes

What was this about...? I don't see how this is false against my argument...

fullbacks63May 4, 20161 votes

Email Riot and see what they say, usually chat restrictions are based on more than one game though. The reform card shows you one of the chats that got you banned but when you log in you will see other chats as well.

SarutobiMay 4, 20161 votes

As others have said you weren't really punished for asking for reports. It's the fact you felt the need to repeat what they said. If you needed to ask them (despite that you don't in fact need to) you could have just told the enemy team that they had used Racial slurs while in champ select. The way the system works for chat bans is that it looks for keyword. You used those same words hence why the system thinks you deserves to be punished! Just be thankful and use this as a lesson because I've seen people get permaban for less. That could have happen here because Riot does have a zero tolerance policy towards that since there is absolutely no reason to use it especially in chat!

PennsMay 4, 20161 votes

I wouldnt be surprised if you actually got banned because you used these words yourself while quoting her

#SystemWorks #ContextDoesntMatter Kappa

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20162 votes

If that was the case it would have been a 14 day ban, not a 10 game chat restriction.

PennsMay 4, 20161 votes

Who knows, but still, getting punished for writing "if you can report x" once in one game would be just as dumb lol

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20161 votes

I don't entirely disagree with that. I do agree that it is useless to ask others to report people and I agree that it is harassment. If, however, someone says it one time in more of a reminder type of way then I personally don't care. That isn't the case here and I have never seen a case where "report X" was the only thing wrong with it. Just seeing this 1 log doesn't tell us much about their total behavior anyway. It is only 6 lines of chat, 2 of them are asking people to report someone, 1 informing people of what was going on, 1 is egging people on, and 2 that were most likely neutral.

If their punishment was 100% based off of this chat log, I wouldn't agree with it. But we don't know that it is the case.

Telephone BoothMay 4, 20161 votes

Lol I hate when people ask for reports. Just report it yourself. If you plan on using the report system, you might wanna learn about the rules first. One of them is that asking for reports, is an offense.

scazzmanMay 5, 20161 votes

what probably got you punished. was the fact you repeated what they said. the ban bot cant understand context. so it would just think you're using the racial slur. i would email riot. they might actually remove this one. because even though you asked for reports. that wouldnt have been the trigger for the punishment

oden321May 5, 20161 votes

just a question, i dont see the f-word you mention, the only word i see is the n-word. on another note while i beileve you should not have repeated that a warning would have suficed much better then a 10 game chat restriction.

geyaMay 6, 20161 votes

he said he was called a "%%%%%%" (n-word) and a "%%%got" (f-word)

GRVet3ran0sSMay 7, 20161 votes

Aaking for reports is against the rules

Supreme Senpai69May 7, 20161 votes

Well firstly asking people to report someone is a reportable offense. It's stupid, but it's a rule

KVbqbFsC8eMay 10, 20161 votes

If it makes you feel any better, the man who set up the system that unfairly banned you for that is no longer with Riot.

Chibi VydraMay 11, 20161 votes

Bumped. Riot fix your reporting system. It's being abused and doesn't work.

COBRA C0MM4NDERMay 11, 20161 votes

Calling for reports is not cool. that's why you got roasted by riot.

the smart move would have been to fill a support ticket AND a report of your own after the game.

your own aftergame report and the support ticket would have saved you from a chat restriction.

You had options to mute them, options to ignore their bs...but you didn't. (you could have just shut the client down entirely and left the game for a little bit to avoid letting the BS touch ya)

But you did not, and here you are.