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Toxicity Bans.

h5LYF41Lam··2 votes·753 views

When you hear that someone got perma banned from a video game because of his behavior,what first comes to your mind is that that guy probably said something: 1.extremely racist? 2.extremely sexist? 3.wrote someone a death wish? 4.called someone a bad player or a troll? im just scrolling in the boards on perma banned player's threads,most of them if not all of them literaly got perma banned for calling people bad or trolls.Is this what league of legends is becomeing,the most triggered gaming community where players consider calling someone a bad player verbal abuse? im not talking about 16 page essays of a player writing in all caps "you are bad" "you suck" every 2 seconds,im talking about literaly a guy getting perma banned for calling his jungler a bad player and then report calling.I wish to see the players or the riot staff in the community that consider those kind of things verbaly abusive and grossly offensive as riot likes to call them. -Riot staff troll:But trick69 if they report players for that stuff that means they truly are verbal abuse. -NO,a ton of player just report for verbal abuse others just because they played badly,or the salt reports. -Board Troll:according to riots ToS they have the right to do that

  • hell dude,they could change my name to brony420 and delete every champion except urgot from my champion pool and it would be ok according to the ToS,its not about whats legal its about whats right. -Board Troll 2:but u break the summoner code by report calling,yes but its not verbal abuse,and calling someone bad or a troll is far from verbal abuse maybe it could fall under unsportsmanlike behavior but not verbal abuse. Conclusion:players have been abusing the verbal abuse report to get people who called them bad or made them tilt banned. -Board troll 3:So dont call them bad trick -this is a video game you cant just ask people to only give positive critisism. sorry for the long post. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/28/25/9f/28259f9144df5e6c6a1a013935d4b6ac.gif End for my last point,do you think stopping someone from flaming makes the game any better? he is just gonna troll his next game or give hell to his teamates in his next game.

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TrulyBland3 votes

When you hear that someone got perma banned from a video game because of his behavior,what first comes to your mind

That they were given plenty of chances to improve their behaviour, and refused to shape up. What the final straw was doesn't really matter at that point. The majority of permabans have always targeted players that refuse to reform, during all the systems Riot has used. With the one notable exception where people would only keep stacking chat restrictions for chat behaviour... which ended up being the worst experiment Riot has ever done.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

depends on what you call "reformed".Most people consider players who call sarcastic early "gg"s or make report calls at the end of the game acceptable behavior,yet if you get reported the bot detects those keywords and punishes you.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

its also apparent that the punishment system favors players who dont play frequently.

Kei1431 votes

if you are punished by it, it means that the majority of people don't think that it is ok.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

because in league of legends players dont just report you because you played badly and just tick verbal abuse for the lols.

TrulyBland1 votes

Most people actually do consider report calls toxic behaviour. It's a not-so-subtle attempt of shaming somebody in order to get back at them. The reason why it isn't frequently punished isn't because it's acceptable, but because it's only mildly negative and typically doesn't warrant a punishment by itself.

But once you are on your 14-day ban you are, essentially, on probation. You are expected to be on your best behaviour, and if there is any sign of relapse, you're out. And what is a minor forgivable offense for a "normal" player can easily be considered a relapse for a repeat offender.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

like i said above,its just sad to see all the players since season 1/2 who have been doing the same things they do since they started played stop using their accounts because they called a troll a troll or made a report call in some games. those are the players that have been supporting riot since the begining and are consistent players. you cant expect a player on a 25 game chat restriction to buy a skin anymore. when a player gets frustrated he may end up expressing his frustration in the game,whether thats through flaming or inting thats up to riot.

Tiago Alface1 votes

Player A trolls and int feed, Player B gets frustated and writes something on chat bc he is losing TIME and LP + not having fun. Riot bans Player B.

TrulyBland1 votes

I've been playing since release, and I've always been very interested in Riot's approach to toxicity, and as a result read a lot on the forums on the subject. Their idea that permabans are issued not only to extreme offenders, but also to repeat offenders that refuse to reform has always been there. The core philosophy in what should be punished and what shouldn't has never really changed. The only thing that changed is the effectivity of Riot's system in actually dishing out the punishment.

you cant expect a player on a 25 game chat restriction to buy a skin anymore.

So? You seem to be under the impression that a lot of people get chat restrictions. They don't. Riot doesn't really need the cash from the minority of people that get punished.

Tiago Alface2 votes

League is the only game in the world with this passy snowflake system. People dont need to "shape up", snowflakes are the ones that need to "shape up" and improve, they get so easly offended by words (most of the times its not even insults/harass/racism ect). 99% of the people will never change, league is only losing Players and MONEY with this. They should focus on Scripters/Afkers/IntFeeders, and not on meanless words, there is already a MUTE button.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

its just sad to see player who have been playing the game since season 1/2 just stop using their accounts because they keep getting punished for the things that they have been doing since they started this game.Riot isnt decreasing toxicity its just changing the course of a players frustration from flaming to trolling.

TrulyBland2 votes

99% of the people will never change

And 99% of the people don't have to. You keep calling people snowflakes, but the people who are demanding to be allowed to be an asshole to others are actually the ones that are the ones who are in the minority. There's nothing special about maturity and civil behaviour.

h5LYF41Lam2 votes

so according to you,its a good thing that i cant call my teamate a bad player? that i cant report call? that i cant even say that i dont believe we can win this game? that i cant call a teamate who trolls a troll? youre just promoting what the moba community believes of us,that this is a game for butthurt kids.

Tiago Alface1 votes

And it will only get worse, just wait to see.

TrulyBland3 votes

If you've had a history of harassing other players? Yes. That's a good thing.

It removes the ability to hide behind subjective mildness of an offense. If you have arrived at the point of a two-week ban, Riot's best chance of reforming a player is drawing a line that is as unambiguous as possible. And the clearest line they can draw is: Exhibit no negativity at all or get banned.

In short: These rules remove all the outside factors that repeat offenders like to blame for their own behaviour.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

youre saying the same thing the guy above did,what i typed above ARE CONSIDERED BY RIOT HARRASMENT you dont have to have a history of harrasing other players just do the things i typed above and play 3-4 games a day so that you can get a mad kid in your team tilted enough from you to report you.

TrulyBland4 votes

You won't get permabanned for these things without a history of punishment. And unless you nonstop call others bad every single game (in which case it's again a good thing that Riot lays down the rules and tells you to stop) mild negativity like that will not get you a punishment.

I constantly duo with an old classmate of mine. And he does all the things you mention outside of displaying a negative attitude á la "gg, we lost". I keep trying to get him to stop being such a douchebag, because it's incredibly annoying even when you're not the target of it, but to no avail. He plays 3-4 games easily in the months where he does play (probably more along the lines of 7-8), and he never got punished. Why? Because he doesn't do it consistently enough for it to be a real problem and because he never surpasses this mild toxicity to get himself punished.

VoidStaresBack2 votes

"Can't call my teammate a bad player" is there a point to doing so? It doesn't make them any better in this game and is likely to worsen their performance by tilting them, it doesn't accomplish anything other than make you seem like an asshole. "Can't report call" there's no point to doing so and is just a way of harassing the player you're going to report. Only one report is needed to flag a game, this has been said repeatedly, there is no reason for you to ask for reports because only your one is needed, it's just needless harassment. "Can even say that I don't believe we can win this game" very much depends on how you say it, if you say "welp this is probably gg" you're just stating your opinion on the matter (subject to broader context), whereas saying "/all gg team too heavy, fucking noobs" is just being a dick for no reason. "Can't call a teammate who trolls a troll" what does it accomplish to do so? If you're right, they already know they're a troll and don't care about you anyway, and if you're wrong you're tilting a player who may be doing poorly or made a strange pick that isn't panning out for them. In neither case does it actually help anyone to call them a troll.

S0kaX1 votes

Keep in mind that my friend says a lot that his teammates suck and he asks for reports all the time and he isn't banned, even thought I even reported him once and I'm more than sure my teammates do the same

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

if he doesnt play frequently its possible.

S0kaX1 votes

He just plays 4-5 matcher per day, not really frequent (cough cough)

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

it depends on the number of games he flames in,whether the games are ranked or not and whether his teamates reported him.

S0kaX1 votes

He flames 90% of the times and I'm more than sure people report him since everyone is saying in all chat "Report X for flaming"

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

maybe he was just lucky,maybe he plays a lot with premades,also reports from premades barely matter at all,a report from a premade does not equal a report from a stranger.

Tiago Alface1 votes

I got perma banned a few days ago, not once i AFK'ed / Intentionally feeded / Insulted or Harassed someone. This were the chat logs they game me: (yes only 1 Game)

http://image.prntscr.com/image/ecdfa73dfff748d59214516ee81ec2d0.jpeg http://image.prntscr.com/image/9106184401be4a24adb604bf6c121db4.jpeg

See by your self, and tell me if that deserves a perma ban. Its really sad to see what League has become, a place for SJW liberals snowflakes that get offended by anything.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

your team probably reported you for playing badly that game and just slapped verbal abuse in there too. You did spend more time than you should typing but i dont believe its worth a perma ban.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

to be honest the new system where you can report someone for multiple offenses is retarded,if someone played badly to the point where you believe he trolled you should just report him for intentional feeding,giving the chance to tilted teamates to report for multiple reasons just helps someone ban other players for irelevant offenses they didnt commit.

Tiago Alface1 votes

Everyone has a bad game once in a while, i was at 70%'ish win rate with Diamond elo... kinda unfair to get banned for having just 1 bad game.

YerroFever1 votes

Pre-game chat also counts, post game chat counts, and also all of the outstanding reports prior to the new chat log system counts.

I dont know your situation so I can't tell you if your ban was just or not, but you can open a ticket and see if this was a mistake and if it was meant as a temp ban rather than a perma ban

VoidStaresBack1 votes

Haven't you made this post already? Because I'm pretty sure I've seen this exact post before a week or so ago.

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