I Actualy Liked The 25 Ranked Ban.

h5LYF41Lam··87 votes·3,445 views

i actualy liked that old system that banned toxic players from ranked games until they win 25 normal drafts.I think riot should add something like that in the game in between 14 day ban and a permaban,like having to win 100 normal games,it would be like a mini 20 level account challenge and it would show if people cared enough for their account,for someone with 10 accounts that doesnt give a damn its just like a perma ban,for a consistent player its a wake up call.i would love some feedback.

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VasilisGreen20 votes

Breaking news, Normal draft doesn't exist anymore in some regions

Kei14311 votes

umm .. No, I don't want the toxics to be any game mode.

One mode is not more valuable than the other.

h5LYF41Lam5 votes

these players will be less than 0.0007% of the community and 4 games of bad behavior of those 100 are all thats needed to get them permabanned.Like i commented on one of the guys above its better to have someone play 100 normal games in his account and keep his toxicity history than have him play this 100 games in a new account and have the toxicity system pick him up again and start from the bottom giving him the chance to cause triple the damage.

rtbf2256182417 votes

0.0007%

Look, i'm not against you but do you actually believe that bullshit? Nobody has stated the number to be that low. That's like a couple hundred players. The usual number is 1 - 3% and even that is bullshit.

SL NoMercy1 votes

That is the amount of people that are permabanned from the game, not the people that have been toxic

rtbf2256182411 votes

It's not accurate regardless. Do the math. That's a couple hundred people. It's NOT even a rough estimate.

The real percentage would be 0.5% or so.

Bard Blyat Bard1 votes

So you say it's not that bad to keep them in the game (to reform them) but not in ranked? That's actually quite disgusting. Normals are not the trashcan for ranked bobs.

Escheton6 votes

Good point.

h5LYF41Lam4 votes

wait,how did you get that icon?

Escheton2 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/piltover#zaun-champion-tales

Click a thingy at the bottom, should be the last day you can get it. Let me know if it still works, probably should make a PSA about it now that you mention it.

LostFr0st5 votes

Welcome to Zaun.Ekko http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/piltover#zaun-champion-tales

Scroll down to claim it. I think there's only 1 more day.

Virgin Ray8 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/piltover

Go to the zaun champion tales and then scroll down and click it.

Pimasterchampion1 votes

commenting to see if the icon is working

Pimasterchampion1 votes

how do you work it

Edit: never mind figured it out

Magical Player3 votes

Okay so we're shifting toxicity from ranked into normal's.

Riot in their wisdom has determined that people will be toxic regardless of punishment.

They simplified the punishment tier to more effectively remove toxicity from the game.

You're right having to play games to get back into ranked does sound unfun, so wouldn't that infact actually just cause more toxicity to occur instead of curing the issue?

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

if you're on the 100 game ban you're on your last warning so if someone continoues being toxic he will probably be permabanned. The truth is,no matter what riot does they can not keep a player away from the normal queue,he can just create a new account and get back on it,but they can keep a player away from the ranked queue since he would have to create a new account and reach level 30.I dont think of it as a shift of the toxicity from one queue to the other but more as a last chance for a consistent player who wants to keep his account.

Magical Player1 votes

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if you're on the 100 game ban you're on your last warning so if someone continoues being toxic he will probably be permabanned. The truth is,no matter what riot does they can not keep a player away from the normal queue,he can just create a new account and get back on it,but they can keep a player away from the ranked queue since he would have to create a new account and reach level 30.I dont think of it as a shift of the toxicity from one queue to the other but more as a last chance for a consistent player who wants to keep his account.

Umm, they can ban accounts, that usually keeps them out of queues.

Your right, nothing stops dedicated trolls to making or often buying accounts to continue trolling.

The problem still remains, allowing an element that is none to be toxic to stay in the environment of the game is bad for business

They simplified the punishment tier to more effectively remove toxicity from the game. This has been more effective than any previous punishment's given based on riots response about it.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

i just think its best that someone spends 100 games on his account,with his current toxicity history,rather than getting permabanned and creating a new account to spend those 100 games until the toxicity system picks him up again and starts from the bottom.

Magical Player1 votes

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i just think its best that someone spends 100 games on his account,with his current toxicity history,rather than getting permabanned and creating a new account to spend those 100 games until the toxicity system picks him up again and starts from the bottom.

The system can pick up a users 2nd account far quicker, riot knows about every second account/smurf you own. Nothing is beyond their knowledge.

the problem still lies in you're allowing 100 games of toxicity to occur because you didn't ban that user. yes a new account will still be toxic maybe even more so, but it wont take 100 games to get it punished

h5LYF41Lam2 votes

riot can tell if an account is a smurf that is true,it only takes 4 games of toxicity for someone to go 1 tier up,he doesnt have to be toxic in all 100.It's not about allowing a player to be toxic in normals just because its normals,its about taking a player out of the ranked queue unless he shows signs of reform in those 100 games.Are there gonna be players who will just get the 100 game ranked ban and just flame for 4 more games? yes there will be. i will not deny that i can not deny that i just believe its best to have this punishment tier to divide the people who care about their acount from the people who are getting their 4th smurf banned.

Arya Riven2 votes

This please.

Magical Player1 votes

this is like the old system to unban your account you'd level up an account all the way to 20, if you did without any justified punishment riot would unban your main

Riot did this and showed I think a 4% reform, which meant 96% of the people allowed to do this, who were forced to relevel an account to 20 in norms were still being toxic.

Riot hand picked the people who they felt would actually pass this reform process and it came up with a 4% pass rate, people rarely want to reform.

Your system sounds lie it works in a similiar fashion of forcing players to play norms at the attempt of not being punished......

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

i am not gonna say that system was good,but i will mention that back then riot was realy picky with perma bans a player had to be truly inflamatory to get perma banned,i dont think permabans for negative attitude were even a thing back then,so its only natural that players comming out of that system were mostly players refusing to reform.

GoleBilon1 votes

"at the attempt of not being punished.... "

either me or you dont understand. I understood it as a additional punishment between 14 day suspension and permaban. Additional in a way that even tho you are after suspension you need to take " 100 normal games " in which you will need to prove you try to reform.

in the current system there is literally nothing to help people reform , there are just punishments and no actuall guide to "how not to get frustrated in league " or " how to chill out ". This way system is not efficient. Lets be honest , i think that permaban does not mean anybody stops playing the game, they will just buy new account and act in the same way. This makes the system not effective because number of toxic summoners does not change ( or changes a lil bit ) while more and more accounts are banned and more and more $$$ are earned by boosting sites or sites with lvld up accounts

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

i do not think he understands how suspensions work,suspenions are not meant to punish people and reforming is not "avoiding" the punishment,when riot permabans a player they dont do it to punish him,they permaban him because he is ruining other players experience,supsensions are not a matter of justice or retribution suspenions are about protecting the game and the community from a toxic player.The police doesnt put thugs in prison to punish them for commiting crimes,they put them in prison to protect the outside world from them.

GoleBilon1 votes

From my own experience there are summoners on this Rito Boards that no matter what you will say and no matter how good is your idea will still believe that this punishment/report system is all we need.

We all know this system has some flaws , and discussing the possible improvements is a good way of making it more effective. I have my strong beliefs that many things should be implemented to "prevent " toxicity instead of just banning it, i was suspended myself , there was literally nothing to help me reform , im certain if i did not post my logs here and did not met a good guy who told me how to react , what i did wrong and how the other person feels i would be banned by now playing on new account.

Also most people think that all "banned" players are extremely toxic people that make death threats and use racial slurs , and its not true , most of them are tilted try hards that get extremely frustrated with the game yet there is literally no help for them ( there are constant threads on this boards from people that beg to disable their own chat permamently ) . It's not healthy way to deal with the problem because it actually does not make it go ..

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

i think a lot of players never realy had a chance to reform,most players dont take chat restrictions seriously,they only realise riot is serious about this at the 14 day ban,at that point even the slightest misbehavior can get them permabanned,thats why im so strongly in favor of having such a tier of punishment as the one im talking about in this post added in the game.After all,if you cant behave accordingly in an enviroment that all you have to lose is your time like in normal games then you cant realy reform enough to play ranked.

GoleBilon2 votes

yup , i would love to see this happen but there should be more things too. I often see on this boards that people post about " unjustified ban " , we all know that those bans are justified people just need to know what they did wrong. There should be rules that people understand , right now the rule is " dont be a douchebag " . Its not exactly clear what does it mean , I for example was never toxic person ( no deaththreats no homophobia etc ) just a frustrated tilted player that mildly blamed his team and made passive agressive comments like " 0/10 mid blames the jungler XD ", i did not think it was wrong. I thought its banter , a disagreement between 2 people . If someone said it about me i would never get offended by it so it was reasonable to think its not punishable ( at least imo ) and this exact thing is what got me suspended.

People need to know what is banter and what is negative behaviour , to what point we can communicate with our teams , right now at least for people in my situation ( 2 months after suspension every single wrong thing can get me banned context does not matter ) its just easier to /mute all and its not healthy way of dealing with toxicity . Its just hiding the real problem

Magical Player1 votes

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"at the attempt of not being punished.... "

either me or you dont understand. I understood it as a additional punishment between 14 day suspension and permaban. Additional in a way that even tho you are after suspension you need to take " 100 normal games " in which you will need to prove you try to reform.

in the current system there is literally nothing to help people reform , there are just punishments and no actuall guide to "how not to get frustrated in league " or " how to chill out ". This way system is not efficient. Lets be honest , i think that permaban does not mean anybody stops playing the game, they will just buy new account and act in the same way. This makes the system not effective because number of toxic summoners does not change ( or changes a lil bit ) while more and more accounts are banned and more and more $$$ are earned by boosting sites or sites with lvld up accounts

2 + chat restrictions 1+ 14 day ban, if you've not reformed by then no matter what else happens you will not reform

Riot helps players reform chat restrictions help teach people to limit what they say to only the most important information 14 day ban- helps by giving a user time to cool off, 2 weeks in fact where they are not being directly judged for what they say a perma ban occurs if a user can not show any progress towards reform the system is very good at monitoring so im led to believe

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

i do not think there is anything i can say to convince you that the system needs to be changed in some way,neither me nor the other posts you have commented on in the past it seems.

Magical Player1 votes

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i do not think there is anything i can say to convince you that the system needs to be changed in some way,neither me nor the other posts you have commented on in the past it seems.

I'm open to continue the discussion about it, but yes im inclined that the current system is adequate, if anything I'd rather see a 3 tier with the 10 chat restriction removed.

People don't reform, nobody changes in a short time. That is my belief

LankPants1 votes

People don't reform, nobody changes in a short time. That is my belief

I had a friend who got his first account permabanned, as far as I know his second account has never actually been chat restricted. At this point in time he's played his second account longer than his first. People do reform, it just takes a bit more for some.

Magical Player1 votes

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I had a friend who got his first account permabanned, as far as I know his second account has never actually been chat restricted. At this point in time he's played his second account longer than his first. People do reform, it just takes a bit more for some.

Notice the phrase "nobody changes in a short time"

I accept people can change over a long run, but short term nobody changes. You can't break a habit in a day

LankPants1 votes

He got that new account pretty much next day and to my knowledge has never even had a chat ban on it. I'd call that changing in a shot time.

Magical Player1 votes

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He got that new account pretty much next day and to my knowledge has never even had a chat ban on it. I'd call that changing in a shot time.

after being perma banned..... 4 tier punishment + new account time could be long enough to change

Kkirill1 votes

i go premaban for flame/toxic. and didnt knew its possible get premaban lol. imean i had 14 days ban and i play was all good.after 1 month+- i flame someone for feed/0teamplay and was afk... and got premaban ;/

Magical Player1 votes

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i go premaban for flame/toxic. and didnt knew its possible get premaban lol. imean i had 14 days ban and i play was all good.after 1 month+- i flame someone for feed/0teamplay and was afk... and got premaban ;/

You didn't improve :D, its weird it, but the system says you didnt improve kinda hard to fight it. , but you admit that you flamed and afk'd two things that are punishable in their own right. You however had already had a 14 day ban, it takes awhile(like 3 months to drop tiers) to go down punishment tiers, sorry friend

Kkirill1 votes

lol didnt knew about this "3 months to drop tiers" feelsbadman. and i never afked in my almost 2 years playing this game X) toxic i think there 2 kinds.... me is like i do my best to win, but cant see someone init feed, jungler who farming next to me whene my enemy 1%hp and he moveon to other camp. someone went afk in team and peoples just talktalktalk and feed... so my toxic/flame its like this" stop fkn feed and focus" for this "Fkn" i got banned . edit: secend kind is like just talk trash about all team u know...

Magical Player1 votes

truly inflamatory=/= negative attitude????

Negative attitude was part of the punishment since season 1

scazzman4 votes

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truly inflamatory=/= negative attitude????

Negative attitude was part of the punishment since season 1

except back in the day, permabans were reserved EXCLUSIVELY for hate speech, death threats outrageously egregious cases of inting, and hacking , anything else was just a chat ban or LPQ

Troll for Trump1 votes

I member when chat bans didn't exist..

BlueBilberry1 votes

Doesn't normals then become the "prisoner's island"? Oh wait - I guess that's what the lower tiers have already become. :|

KhaZix Bot1 votes

I always viewed it as an excellent idea poorly implemented.

While it worked great for keeping people who tilt in to intentionally feeding and AFKing out of ranked, it seemed like flamers were always prioritized over them. To me, that's silly, because just because someone flamed doesn't mean that they're going to troll because they got a chat ban. In fact, I categorize flamers in to one of two groups. There's the guy who doesn't care and is a borderline troll to begin with and will flame for a reaction while doing asinine things in game or will flame while "teaching you a lesson with a loss" and then there's the guy who flames because he's passionate about the game. There's never an excuse for flaming your team, but the guy who flames because he's angry that his team isn't listening while he wants to win and the guy who flames because he wants to make people upset are two totally different people, and treating them the same way creates more problems.

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I would have liked to see ranked bans target unintentionally negative players, as well, with no other penalty to their account. By that I mean, you lose 3 games in a row while going -10 in each, you get handed a 1-3 game ranked ban to cool off. Something along those lines could keep tilters (who are a massive problem) on their toes and to teach them their limits.

tl;dr: Ranked bans for trolls and tilters, not for flamers.

ModUlanopo2 votes

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I would have liked to see ranked bans target unintentionally negative players, as well, with no other penalty to their account. By that I mean, you lose 3 games in a row while going -10 in each, you get handed a 1-3 game ranked ban to cool off. Something along those lines could keep tilters (who are a massive problem) on their toes and to teach them their limits.

Ranked bans turned out to be a problem for a couple of reasons, not the least of which was that it herded angry people into a queue that also included innocent bystanders. I know a fair number of people who absolutely refuse to have anything to do with blind pick because of it. Though, to be fair, blind pick was already a suspect format and the bans were just the last straw.

I think the biggest concern with the core of what you're suggesting - some sort of timeout for people who are on tilt - is that it edges too close to punishing people for playing poorly and that's how it would feel, even if it was just some sort of warning.

whycantibethree1 votes

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i actualy liked that old system that banned toxic players from ranked games until they win 25 normal drafts.I think riot should add something like that in the game in between 14 day ban and a permaban,like having to win 100 normal games,it would be like a mini 20 level account challenge and it would show if people cared enough for their account,for someone with 10 accounts that doesnt give a damn its just like a perma ban,for a consistent player its a wake up call.i would love some feedback.

and then if they rage in normals draft they have to play 100 3v3 games.

Legacy Hydralpha1 votes

and then if they rage in normals draft they have to play 100 3v3 games.

If they rage in 3v3 they're forced to play Legend of the Poro King and Ascension for a year.

Wait a second, we all have to do that.

Bard Blyat Bard1 votes

No, because this interfers with RIOT's "prisoner island" hate. If you put all the "toxic" players into normals, they ruin my realm (since I have to instantlock Bard and can't stand Ranked players and their attitude).

Do not deport the retards to other game modes, please.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

That just means that normals are their prisoners island, and the rest of us who play norms still have to deal with these dickwads. You can't just make them someone elses problem because you want them out of your face and put them somewhere out of your sight.

DeathBurst1 votes

The thing is, why would they actually react to this "wake-up call", but they didn't listen to the 3 or 4 previous calls represented by lesser sanctions?

scazzman1 votes

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The thing is, why would they actually react to this "wake-up call", but they didn't listen to the 3 or 4 previous calls represented by lesser sanctions?

because the only thing negative about a chat ban in the 1st place is the loss of hextech which is still a new thing, many players have actually ASKED to be chat banned voluntarily

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