Riot is Full of Lies and Fake statistics

Vetrathene··3 votes·1,200 views

Just saying, they make stuff up for banning you, at least in what percent you fall, but if your a streamer and/or a tourney player they will give you all the chances in the world, even if they tell people to go kill themselves. You call someone an idiot but get banned for life. Lots of double standards, lots of shady things, still no tangible rewards, no carrots, just stick after stick. Unless you make riot money, Then do what you want as long as you say your sorry and don't cheat.

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Chermorg12 votes
  1. Where's your proof of their statistics being made up?

  2. Tell me one streamer who's been "let loose" for in game toxicity after you prove they got reported for it.

  3. Many players who spent a lot of money (thousands of dollars) get banned.

Your post makes a lot of claims with no proof, hence why people will likely downvote you.

Arammus1 votes

well to be fair. i remember a reddit post about piglet calling someone a waste of air (i think?) on the korean server and the only thing that happened was the coach of skt saying piglet will get a punishement for it from the coach

Dr Dog1 votes

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well to be fair. i remember a reddit post about piglet calling someone a waste of air (i think?) on the korean server and the only thing that happened was the coach of skt saying piglet will get a punishement for it from the coach

ya but think, was it was repeated to the point its a problem like most banned for being toxic?

Herald Est Mors1 votes

Hi again once again I'm back to disagree ;). So why you gotta be such a negative dude on these boards, constantly putting down people who don't agree with the system. He expressed his opinion, and you are harassing him for it. I don't know what youre advising, but right now you are harassing this poster. You probably downvoted his thing to, after pointing out his flaws when he didn't ask for them. Stop being toxic.

Dr Dog3 votes

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Hi again once again I'm back to disagree ;). So why you gotta be such a negative dude on these boards, constantly putting down people who don't agree with the system. He expressed his opinion, and you are harassing him for it. I don't know what youre advising, but right now you are harassing this poster. You probably downvoted his thing to, after pointing out his flaws when he didn't ask for them. Stop being toxic.

because refuting slander in a non aggressive way is toxic, bravo

Herald Est Mors1 votes

He isnt slandering you, he is questioning the company. Also this "advisor"doesnt need your help, he hasnt responded probably because he knows he is in the wrong

Dr Dog3 votes

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He isnt slandering you, he is questioning the company. Also this "advisor"doesnt need your help, he hasnt responded probably because he knows he is in the wrong

never said he was slandering me? hes slandering the company spouting bias unfounded and stupid claims which is made very very obvious from the amount of downvotes, and no he probably knows nothing he said is toxic because it literally isnt, theres no need for him to respond when the non existent support your comment got spoke pretty much for itself

Herald Est Mors1 votes

Well if you wanna use that logic, you have no votes either, meaning what youre saying is just as meaningless as what i am saying. Guess we are two retards arguing in chat. So how about you let me be retarded by myself and stop riding this Advisors sack?

Dr Dog1 votes

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Well if you wanna use that logic, you have no votes either, meaning what youre saying is just as meaningless as what i am saying. Guess we are two retards arguing in chat. So how about you let me be retarded by myself and stop riding this Advisors sack?

i have upvotes, you have downvotes man it speaks for itself, stop riding OP for a little bit and actually read what lol

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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  1. Where's your proof of their statistics being made up?

  2. Tell me one streamer who's been "let loose" for in game toxicity after you prove they got reported for it.

  3. Many players who spent a lot of money (thousands of dollars) get banned.

Your post makes a lot of claims with no proof, hence why people will likely downvote you.

  1. unless the you got 100%+ more honor than the average player is possible, i'd say riot is bad at statistics XD

  2. tyler1?

  3. fact i guess., but only because so they can make a new account and spend it all again .o. XD

Chermorg1 votes
  1. If the average player gets 3 honors and I get 12, I got 300% more than average.

  2. Has he been toxic in game since his unban? Or just on stream?

  3. No, riot does not ban players so they spend more.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

{quoted}

  1. If the average player gets 3 honors and I get 12, I got 300% more than average.

  2. Has he been toxic in game since his unban? Or just on stream?

  3. No, riot does not ban players so they spend more.

  1. thats bad math XD you don't speak in percentages when it comes to that in the first place, you speak in numbers..... you get 3 times as much as the average player that is, you are talking about averages in the first place, 3 = NOT 100%, a 100% would be 1, 3 is already 300% which means you'd get 900% more than the average player O.o

  2. you said i quote''Tell me one streamer who's been "let loose" for in game toxicity after you prove they got reported for it.'' he was permabanned for sure for in game toxicity, and he is a streamer and he was let loose.

  3. you cannot disprove that, nor can i prove it, however the possibility exists and it is what i believe, they appear to be profit oriented.

TrulyBland2 votes

Regarding your first point, since that's a personal pet peeve of mine (and it's useful in real life), you are confusing percent and percentage points.

If you increase x by p percent, that means you are taking p% of x and add it on top of x: x + x * p/100

If you increase x by p percentage points, you are literally just adding p/100 on top: x + p/100

Likewise, if 3 is the average, it is literally 100% of the average. 3 = 1 * 3 = 100% * 3 If however, you wanted to express 3 in percentage points (because you want to add it to a value typically expressed in percentage), then you'd be right that it would be, in fact, 300 pp.

Summary: Percent usually implies multiplication with some reference value. Only percentage points stand alone. Unless you play a game developed by literally anybody. Game devs use these things interchangably so fucking often it's annoying the crap out of me.

Edit: A good example for pp vs % (and a good example of game devs screwing with it) would be crit chance: Crit items actually increase your crit chance by pp, not %. Yasuo passive, on the other hand, increases his crit chance by 100%.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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Regarding your first point, since that's a personal pet peeve of mine (and it's useful in real life), you are confusing percent and percentage points.

If you increase x by p percent, that means you are taking p% of x and add it on top of x: x + x * p/100

If you increase x by p percentage points, you are literally just adding p/100 on top: x + p/100

Likewise, if 3 is the average, it is literally 100% of the average. 3 = 1 * 3 = 100% * 3 If however, you wanted to express 3 in percentage points (because you want to add it to a value typically expressed in percentage), then you'd be right that it would be, in fact, 300 pp.

Summary: Percent usually implies multiplication with some reference value. Only percentage points stand alone. Unless you play a game developed by literally anybody. Game devs use these things interchangably so fucking often it's annoying the crap out of me.

Edit: A good example for pp vs % (and a good example of game devs screwing with it) would be crit chance: Crit items actually increase your crit chance by pp, not %. Yasuo passive, on the other hand, increases his crit chance by 100%.

O.o no..... we cannot talk in percentage points in this case since the actual difference is a percentage, there is no hidden factor. 1 honor is still 100%, 2 honor is also 100% etc so if someone gets more they get X % more honor. an average is not a stated fact, the fact remains that others can deviate from this average thus this average not being 100% since someone else can get less OR more, now if everyone would actually get 3 honors per match i'd be different and 3 becomes 100%.

PP is an indication, it would be moronic to indicate a X % PP instead of an actual % since that would be lying in riots case. crit chance would actually increase with X %, not X % PP since we are not talking about the difference but an actual increase. its hard to prove rito is lying, but i guess these numbers could be nonsense, since i find 20% crit chance the exact same as 60%, but than again i could look up the actual formula which could explain why that is and you might be right about X % PP. riot hasn't released this forumla however.

TrulyBland1 votes

You confuse various uses of percentage... In all honesty, your reasoning is so all over the place that it's difficult to address in particular the (flawed) points that you make.

Let's go slowly and start with a statement that's about as unambiguous as it can get: How much would you say is 300% of 3?

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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You confuse various uses of percentage... In all honesty, your reasoning is so all over the place that it's difficult to address in particular the (flawed) points that you make.

Let's go slowly and start with a statement that's about as unambiguous as it can get: How much would you say is 300% of 3?

no i'm not confusing various uses of percentages. lol why go to basic math????? 300% of 3 is 3 divided through 100 times 300%.

lets say inflation was 6% 1st year and 8% second year thats 2% points, thats still 2% increase of inflation, meaning everything got 10% more expensive since they stacked 8% on 6% which makes a total of 14% inflation in 2 years meaning prices are 114%, and 14% more expensive than normal. as i stated before percentage point is just fancy, for ''difference between'', in the end percent is percent.

when the average player recieves 3 honor, than they still gain 300% of honor, since 1 honor cannot be more OR less than 100%, so if this deviates and someone gets 5 honor it means they get 200% or (200 PP) more honor and 500% honor in total. the average is not a fact <------- that being the average cannot be seen as 100% because not everyone gets it.

and stop using so much algebra...... and stick to math thank you, not everyone appreciates middle eastern nonsense (thank god for the greeks that translated that shit). its better to keep clear indications and relations, not everyone on the boards will understand algebra .-.

TrulyBland1 votes

300% of 3 is 3 divided through 100 times 300%.

Exactly.

And when people say that something is x% larger than something, the implication is that the difference is x% of the original thing that you are referring to.

300% larger than average implies 300% of the average larger than the average.

as i stated before percentage point is just fancy, for ''difference between'', in the end percent is percent.

Not in the way it is commonly used in language. Percentage points is indeed the difference between things; while simple percentage is a ratio of things.

An increase of 20% means multiplying the original value by 1.2 And increase of 20pp means adding 0.2 to the original value

the average is not a fact <------- that being the average cannot be seen as 100% because not everyone gets it.

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The average is indeed 100% of the average. It being 100% in this specific context doesn't mean 100% of people get it... it just means that it's the reference value. The reference value is always 100%, because again, percentages are ratios. And the ratio of one thing to itself is always 1, which is 100%.

I... I honestly don't know how to explain this to you anymore. I can only assume this is some enormous language barrier.

Maybe one more example: If you have two plants, and plant A is 50% larger than plant B... what would you assume that means?

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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Exactly.

And when people say that something is x% larger than something, the implication is that the difference is x% of the original thing that you are referring to.

300% larger than average implies 300% of the average larger than the average.

no one is implying when its a fact..... the difference is just that. you are just overcomplicating things.

Not in the way it is commonly used in language. Percentage points is indeed the difference between things; while simple percentage is a ratio of things.

An increase of 20% means multiplying the original value by 1.2 And increase of 20pp means adding 0.2 to the original value

lol you are a funny guy, you litterally tell me to add 8 to both, so why complicate things and not just divide the original number through 100 times 20? again 20% or 20pp no difference at all.

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The average is indeed 100% of the average. It being 100% in this specific context doesn't mean 100% of people get it... it just means that it's the reference value. The reference value is always 100%, because again, percentages are ratios. And the ratio of one thing to itself is always 1, which is 100%.

and? the average doesn't factor in here, we are talking about honor as individual. truth be told the max honor you can get is 4, so 4 being 100% 3 is 75% 2 is 50% and 1 is 25%, again you can't go over 100%. and if you do want to go over 100% you have to count 1 honor as 100%, ending up with max 400% honor, so lets do some math and say you have 145% more honor than the average player, what does that even mean????? 6 and 3 quarter honor more? since 100% of the average is 3 right? so 100% + 100% = 6 45% being 1 and 3 quarters of honor O.o so 6 + 45% = 6 and 3/4 more honor [zombie-brand-facepalm] as i stated before its better to multiply things like this instead of talking in percentages...... this is bad math period. if they would've said 25% 50% 75% 100% 125% 150% 175% 200% ETC it would've been fine lol. but they state 145% more honor 165% more honor and stuff [zombie-brand-mindblown] if what chermorg said is true than the percentage you would see stated, would always be 25% since 3 is the average and 4 is the max. rito is trying to positively affect players by blowing it out of proportion and hoping players will say ''WOOOOOOOW look at how much more honor i actually get .o.'' because anything over 100% might seems impressive.... thing is, most players will just ignore it or think its ridiculous [zombie-brand-clap]

I... I honestly don't know how to explain this to you anymore. I can only assume this is some enormous language barrier.

Maybe one more example: If you have two plants, and plant A is 50% larger than plant B... what would you assume that means?

that a riot advisor named chermorg cut down plant B! [slayer-jinx-catface] that naughty advisor XD

TrulyBland1 votes

One last attempt because I honestly cannot wrap my head around most of the math that you are doing; in the sense that I do not understand how you get the values that you do. Right off the bat though: It does seem like the issue is not pp vs. % after all.

This statement, however, I believe clears things up for me:

if what chermorg said is true than the percentage you would see stated, would always be 25% since 3 is the average and 4 is the max.

There seem to be two reasons for your confusion:

A) What you consider the reference value; i.e how many honors is 100%. This part is why I asked the question with the plants. I wasn't trying to be condescending, but I tried to understand your reasoning by using a simple question.

It seems that you simply consider percentages to only be a valid use when 100% is the maximum. The result of that is, from what I gather, that in a comparison you will always consider the larger value to be 100%. Hence why in the quoted part you say it could at most be 25% larger, because you consider 1 honor divided by the higher value: 4

That said, this is simply not the only way it is used. The reference value depends on the exact context, and it's not necessarily the highest number. And in the context of spoken language, the reference value is usually the object. The thing that the subject (you) is being compared to (the average player).

And that's the case even when the average player gets less than you. In that case, you might for example get 200% of the average player's honor (6). Which 100% more than the average player (3+3).

Just to make this clear: This isn't just an interpretation. This is how people use percentages every day.

B) What value is actually being compared. You appear to always be exclusively looking at one game. Now I will admit that I would have looked at values in a per-game basis, too, which would make Chermorg's example a bad one. That said, he never did explicitely mention the amount of games those 3 honors were gathered in.

And that's why even when looking at the average value for one game, that value can, in fact, get signficantly below one. If a player is only averaged once in 5 games, then he would, in fact, only get an average of 0.2 honors per game. Even though the specific case of getting 0.2 honors in one individual game clearly never happens, it's still a meaningful statistic.

So to make this part clear: The 100% value does not need to be an integer. If the average person gets 0.81 honors per game, then if you get 145% (your example) more than the average, you would get 1.45*0.81 + 0.81... which is roughly 2.

So to summarize: The reference value (i.e. 100%) is not 1, it's not 4 either. It's the honor that an average player gets. That value does not need to be an integer which can result in odd percentages even when comparing actual integers to it. For example 3 is 92% larger than 1.5625

If that doesn't clear things up, I'd again like to refer to my plant example and get your input there.

How large would you say plant A is, if it's 50% larger than plant B, assuming plant B is, say, 1.3 meters?

PresBushDid7116 votes

Quality argument with verifiable evidence.

10/10

PrismalDawn3 votes

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!

It's not what you know, it's who you know.

Obviously there is a mix of the two, but at the end of the day, you can't do shit with what you know if you don't have the resources to exploit it.

Nolkus Page2 votes

The top streamers play in high elo games. They probably all know each other and have a no report policy meaning that all the chat is clearly just for show. They make it interesting and funny, I suppose. I don't like when people talk mean to ME though and if I was in a game with one of them I would report them. Just touching on Chermorg's second point that the people in those games probably know it's all for show and don't take offense to that stuff.

Colgate Gator1 votes

OP calls out Rito for making information up, with made up information and no proof whatsoever.

5/7

YerroFever1 votes

Regarding the issue about streamers and pro players being toxic...

  1. IFS only scans a player's game if that player is reported in that game This means that if someone is toxic and isn't reported, there's nothing the IFS will do because there's nothing to review.

  2. No-report policies and agreements between players This means that THEY accept toxicity between each other. That's not how it is with everyone in the world. They can be as toxic to each other as they want but they also run the risk of being reported by other people who don't follow the no-report policies or agreements with others.

People being toxic in streams and swearing and cursing at people in their streams is one thing, expressing it in-game is another thing. Some people equate stream toxicity with the same thing as in-game toxicity. When someone calls someone a slur or says something hateful or bigoted in their stream but never types it, then there's nothing wrong with that player's behavior. They have found a better alternative to be toxic in the privacy of their own space and not forcing it on others. Remember that WATCHING a stream is voluntary and if someone chooses to voluntarily expose themselves to the streamer's toxicity, that's their own fault and they cannot be upset with Riot. They can only be upset that the streamer doesn't have a better coping mechanism.

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