every game i get first place and my team loses. EVERY SINGLE GAME V E R Y
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nicely played rito your match making is unmatched even in heaven. no one can come close to making a game with this matchmaking skill
SmokedAlmonds1 votesLooking at the last 3 games in your history that are on dominion I don't see anyone that is obviously trolling. So what did they do?
Were they actually trolling or just don't know how to play dominion?
wicked eraser1 voteshow do you determine how anyone is a troll by looking at match histories? you don't work for riot and you were not in the game with me. you can't see their actions in the game. my team loses because mainly they just don't know what to do general. first game i had a team with 1 tank, garen, but he rushes boots and dies 15 times. he is duo with kat who does ok. we have a brand who does nothing whole game. and a uselss bot i forgot who, second game my whole team just feeds, they feed against shitters apparently, since i find the enemy team very easy to kill. but 4 trolls who are more worthless than shitters are worse than just regular shitter team. third game i didn't even try, i already knew the team is bad. and one of my teamate turned out to be someone who i ignored before. no the ignored troll doesn't come to my team, they are on my team just because rito
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=wicked eraser,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vgzcf5a1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-27T01:07:07.755+0000)
how do you determine how anyone is a troll by looking at match histories? you don't work for riot and you were not in the game with me. you can't see their actions in the game. my team loses because mainly they just don't know what to do general. first game i had a team with 1 tank, garen, but he rushes boots and dies 15 times. he is duo with kat who does ok. we have a brand who does nothing whole game. and a uselss bot i forgot who, second game my whole team just feeds, they feed against shitters apparently, since i find the enemy team very easy to kill. but 4 trolls who are more worthless than shitters are worse than just regular shitter team. third game i didn't even try, i already knew the team is bad. and one of my teamate turned out to be someone who i ignored before. no the ignored troll doesn't come to my team, they are on my team just because rito
I didn't say that no one was trolling, just that based on stats no one was obviously doing so. Often times trolls are identifiable in match history's and I was merely saying that wasn't the case here. So I asked what they were doing.
But really the rest is exactly what I was getting at. It looks like you incorrectly label people who are not playing well as trolls. The garen only died 9 times(2 less than you). I cant see what he was doing but if he was intentionally feeding he wasn't doing a very good job at it. The second game where your "whole team just fed" includes you, who had the most deaths on your team. But again, every was doing plenty of damage so it seems pretty clear none of it was intentional.
Trolls are people trying to piss you off. Intentional feeders are people dying on purpose, not just people who die a lot. Both are people trying to lose but I don't see anything that fits the bill and nothing you have said does either(other than garen which is at best way over exaggerated).
wicked eraser1 votesgaren only died 9 times, but as the only tank on the team he has no concept of what he is supposed to do. the team defeat is imminent. i died more than anyone doesn't mean i played badly, plus remember this is dominion.
ok, you tell me what category do i report them under then? i want to win a game, those guys ruined it. they didn't just have a bad game, and their game behavior is certainly unsportsmanlike. i am not a mind reader so obviously i can't tell if the other party is 'trying to' or doing something on 'purpose'. they just 'did' ruin my game. i don't care if rito doesn't punish them. i just don't want to ever play with those guys again. but apparently that's too much to as ask as well. http://postimg.org/image/rdhaz53bf/ pic related, the game i just had.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=wicked eraser,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vgzcf5a1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-27T02:21:19.783+0000)
garen only died 9 times, but as the only tank on the team he has no concept of what he is supposed to do. the team defeat is imminent. i died more than anyone doesn't mean i played badly, plus remember this is dominion.
ok, you tell me what category do i report them under then?
Based on what I have seen in the match histories and what you have described, nothing. Playing poorly is not something to report.
i want to win a game, those guys ruined it. they didn't just have a bad game, and their game behavior is certainly unsportsmanlike. i am not a mind reader so obviously i can't tell if the other party is 'trying to' or doing something on 'purpose'. they just 'did' ruin my game. i don't care if rito doesn't punish them. i just don't want to ever play with those guys again. but apparently that's too much to as ask as well. http://postimg.org/image/rdhaz53bf/ pic related, the game i just had.
What did they do that was unsportsmanlike? because everything you have described so far is just losing which is going to happen about half the time no matter how good you are.
wicked eraser1 votes"Playing poorly is not something to report." playing poorly is something to report. they ruin the game for their team. some people may not care but people like me do care. i find games where people with similar skill set more enjoyable.
the way they carried out their game play are unsportsmanlike. think in team competition where you try very hard but your effort are all in vein because someone on your team doesn't do anything. regardless of his intention that's unsportsmanlike. if all of the team had something to contribute that would be different. but its not the case.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=wicked eraser,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vgzcf5a1,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-12-27T03:07:17.553+0000)
"Playing poorly is not something to report." playing poorly is something to report. they ruin the game for their team. some people may not care but people like me do care. i find games where people with similar skill set more enjoyable.
It is not something to report, you are just wrong on this. If it was, there would be an option for it. There actually use to be one that didn't do anything and it was recently removed. So no, playing poorly is not considered a valid reason to report someone. No matter how much you want it to be.
I don't think anyone would really disagree that they want to have evenly matched games. Maybe matchmaking did fail here, but honestly you didn't seem to do any better than them in those games.
the way they carried out their game play are unsportsmanlike. think in team competition where you try very hard but your effort are all in vein because someone on your team doesn't do anything. regardless of his intention that's unsportsmanlike. if all of the team had something to contribute that would be different. but its not the case.
I can't say that they weren't being unsportsmanlike because I can't see what happened, but sportsmanship has nothing to do with how well someone does. That has been what everything you have brought up was related to, their skill.
The only thing you are accomplishing by reporting for this is reducing the value of your future reports because they are going to be deemed false.
wicked eraser1 votesi don't lose dominion half the time, i lose dominion 99% of the time. rito matching making is unmatched in heaven that i should buy lottery. thx rito!
wicked eraser1 voteslol really? so reporting this problem don't do anything. then what should report be used for? can you tell me how the foul-mouthed/deliberate-feeders/bot-ers are worse than someone who is just retarded? i find winning enjoyable, that's the whole reason i want to play this game, why would i report a foul-mouthed teammate if he can carry me? i don't care if a feeder does it intentionally or unintentionally, to me he is a troll who ruins the game. you showed me no proof/reason which is considered more unsportsmanlike other than your words. and bots never bothered me. not that i can do anything about any of this. i will just rumble that 'reports' is a pointless feature.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=wicked eraser,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vgzcf5a1,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-12-27T03:54:10.046+0000)
lol really? so reporting this problem don't do anything. then what should report be used for? can you tell me how the foul-mouthed/deliberate-feeders/bot-ers are worse than someone who is just retarded? i find winning enjoyable, that's the whole reason i want to play this game, why would i report a foul-mouthed teammate if he can carry me? i don't care if a feeder does it intentionally or unintentionally, to me he is a troll who ruins the game. you showed me no proof/reason which is considered more unsportsmanlike other than your words. and bots never bothered me. not that i can do anything about any of this. i will just rumble that 'reports' is a pointless feature.
Reports exist to identify people who are breaking the rules to Riot. Losing is not against the rules. Failing to live up to your expectations is not against the rules.
Losing is not a behavior. It is an issue for matchmaking, you lose a game, your mmr goes down, you play with worse people next time. This happens until you fall far enough that your mmr matches your skill and you start winning.
Sportsmanship - fair play, respect for opponents, and polite behavior by someone who is competing in a sport or other competition.
Sportsmanship has nothing to do with how well someone does or whether or not they win.
wicked eraser1 votesLosing is not a behavior. It is an issue for matchmaking, you lose a game, your mmr goes down, you play with worse people next time. This happens until you fall far enough that your mmr matches your skill and you start winning.
i never said what's behavior and what isn't. and my mmr doesn't mean shit if i keep losing. no matter how much it adjust i still teamed up with shitters. if i lose 90% of my games you can't say mmr has any meaning what so ever with a straight face.
Sportsmanship - fair play, respect for opponents, and polite behavior by someone who is competing in a sport or other competition. Sportsmanship has nothing to do with how well someone does or whether or not they win. its not fair play if one member on your team doesn't know what he is doing. 'respect' is not said, but earned. juts because trolls didn't say any inflammatory comment doesn't mean he respect his teammate.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=wicked eraser,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vgzcf5a1,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-12-27T20:38:27.488+0000)
i never said what's behavior and what isn't. and my mmr doesn't mean shit if i keep losing. no matter how much it adjust i still teamed up with shitters. if i lose 90% of my games you can't say mmr has any meaning what so ever with a straight face.
It not being a behavior is key though. Because reports are for reporting behavior to riot.
If you are losing 90% of your games that heavily suggests that you are not good enough to be at the MMR you are at. And honestly your match history supports that. While you may not have been the worst in those games, you weren't meaningfully better than them. And your scores were as bad as the people you are calling trolls for losing. So are you a troll because you lost?
its not fair play if one member on your team doesn't know what he is doing. 'respect' is not said, but earned. juts because trolls didn't say any inflammatory comment doesn't mean he respect his teammate.
I suppose you could say it's not fair. But who is being unfair to who? They aren't doing anything wrong. They are just losing, just like you are. You just have an incorrect definition of what a troll is, at least as far as league goes. TBH this just comes across as you being salty and blaming your team for the losses.
I think this has gone about as far as it can go so I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Good luck with your troubles.
Minarde1 votesevery game i get first place and my team loses.
The personal score system is heavily flawed, and any rankings shown are essentially meaningless.
Anyway, from reading through comments, it seems like you're just eager to blame others for your losses. Yes, matchmaking fails sometimes, but typically not that often.* You also seem to undervalue your teammates, since their damage numbers look pretty decent. It's a little hard to say anything for certain though, lacking more information (e.g. from an official match history or something).
*Side note: matchmaking has failed me in the past. That's not really typical though as a) there weren't enough people around my MMR range back when I queued solo, so matchmaking struggled to fill games. b) being in full premades during party IP events made proper matchmaking nigh-impossible when the premade likely has a ~800 MMR difference.
Maximum Morde1 votesDominion doesn't have trolls so much as it has bots and whichever team has the fewest bots wins.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vgzcf5a1,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-12-27T21:31:42.867+0000)
Dominion doesn't have trolls so much as it has bots and whichever team has the fewest bots wins.
Bots are definitely a problem in dominion but you get past them if you play. Just by being better than a bot you will win a disproportionate amount of your games because there is less chance for bots to be on your team than the opposing team. Eventually you will climb past the point where bots can reach. The question is how long that takes.
I have never seen a bot on my main(was high enough before botting became an issue), but if I did it on my smurf it would most likely be me + 9 bots.
Maximum Morde1 votesI understand that, I just have no desire to play 50-60 games to climb beyond the bots.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vgzcf5a1,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2015-12-27T21:40:39.716+0000)
I understand that, I just have no desire to play 50-60 games to climb beyond the bots.
Ya I totally understand. Every time I see the issue come up I get tempted to see how many games it would take, but I have never actually tried.
I kinda suspect it wouldn't take that many games though. Since you will win basically 100% of your games. I guess it depends how many bots there actually are though.