Help Me Understand

Zavolk·Feb 26, 2018·1 votes·535 views

I was given a 10-game chat restriction.

They give me a little paragraph or two about how we need to be more positive and mature then sent me a list of what I said.

Can someone please read what I said and tell me what I did wrong? I was playing a meta-support (Leona) building myself correctly with more assists/kills than deaths. I was warding and helping my team. What did I say that was "toxic" or "nasty" and makes me a bad person to the community?

I was insulted. I was called stupid, a feeder, a troll, an idiot, and so on. I never reacted with an insult or put anyone down.

Was me saying " omfg aatrox :/ " considered toxic when he dived a 1v3 and got 1-shot by the enemy team?

Help me understand what I can do better. It's just not clicking with me.

Thank you! :)

Game 1 Zavolk: gotta stay at the vanguard Zavolk: it's fine we gotz diz boys/girls :D Zavolk: i am insecure AND pathetic ;) Zavolk: we had that :( Zavolk: what addon gives you timers and tells u when they use a summoner spell? Zavolk: drag Zavolk: drag Zavolk: drag Zavolk: we will win this i promise :) Zavolk: dont give up Zavolk: we have drag and more cs Zavolk: we can still win pretty easily Zavolk: yea tbh just farm up top - play defensive - and we will win late game Zavolk: WHY? Zavolk: why? Zavolk: omfg aatrox :/ Zavolk: dude Zavolk: dude Zavolk: lol ok man good luck Zavolk: im done Zavolk: i shouldn't play support at silver mmr normal games Zavolk: cait we won our lane Zavolk: such a shame Zavolk: i was posiitive until ppl started feeding Zavolk: i blame myself - i am setting up plays that ppl just dont see Zavolk: okay gg im done Zavolk: yup Zavolk: im done Zavolk: enjoy your loss Zavolk: no im done Zavolk: im not gonna support kids who haven't even been gold-5 lol Zavolk: ive been trying to hard Zavolk: and nobody is playing Zavolk: why should i keep giving 100% if nobody else is trying? Zavolk: i was 0/0/2 until jungler started feeding bot Zavolk: * 0/4/2 Zavolk: thanks for backing me up - these 4 are legit blaming me for everything - i don't get it Zavolk: i said i hate giving 100% when people don't put in effort Zavolk: gg wp - sorry for the bad game Zavolk: you're kidding me right? Zavolk: okay :) Zavolk: how is dying being toxic? Zavolk: me getting 3 assists is being toxic? Zavolk: yea..... and im the one being "toxic and feeding" lol Zavolk: gg - glad my team mates took turns insulting me and blaming me for everything

23 Comments

LocatedEagle232Feb 27, 20182 votes

Honestly, I feel like 4 reports is what got you punished more than anything you said. I despise the idiots that blame one player and focus all their anger to them in chat... Either a premade or they're just stupid, send it to support :P

Edit; Actually Galizien got you with the "im not gonna support kids who haven't even been gold-5 lol" and you were a little pretentious.

Imperial PandaaFeb 27, 20183 votes

Also, number of reports in a single game don't matter.

Tearin TrueFeb 27, 20181 votes

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Honestly, I feel like 4 reports is what got you punished more than anything you said. I despise the idiots that blame one player and focus all their anger to them in chat... Either a premade or they're just stupid, send it to support :P

Edit; Actually Galizien got you with the "im not gonna support kids who haven't even been gold-5 lol" and you were a little pretentious.

1 report or 9 it makes no difference

ZavolkFeb 27, 20182 votes

I agree that me giving up or being "passive aggressive" might be viewed as rude but is it toxic? Is it really as bad as others directly insulting me? My statement I believe holds merit. Why should I give effort at a 100% level if every little mistake is met by a direct insult?

Also yes, it was a normal match and they were a group I believe.

I appreciate everyone taking a moment of their time to answer my question and help me out. I guess I should play it safe and just not talk in this game anymore.

It seems that jokingly "giving up" after being insulted over and over is punished.

Thank you everyone. :)

Kei143Feb 27, 20181 votes

You are thinking of this system as a traditional court system, where you have two sides trying to prove others to be guilty/innocent, but the system doesn't work that way.

Every game you are reported, the system checks for toxicity and grades it. 0= no toxicity and 100 is like to use of hate speech. So if your toxicity grade reached 100, you will be punished. When others are toxic to you and you report them, they will get a grade and get punished depending on where they are on the behavior scale.

I would grade passive aggressiveness to be on a scale of like ... 5? Meaning you have had similar behavior over quite a handful of games, and this was the game that took you over 100, thus you were punished.

Btw, you'll get the same grade regardless of how many people report you, and remember that false reports will give you a 0 grade. So don't worry about getting falsely reported or mass reported.

Your attitude before you started giving up was pretty good, so if you follow that beginning attitude, you'll be fine.

Telephone BoothFeb 28, 20181 votes

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I agree that me giving up or being "passive aggressive" might be viewed as rude but is it toxic? Is it really as bad as others directly insulting me? My statement I believe holds merit. Why should I give effort at a 100% level if every little mistake is met by a direct insult?

Also yes, it was a normal match and they were a group I believe.

I appreciate everyone taking a moment of their time to answer my question and help me out. I guess I should play it safe and just not talk in this game anymore.

It seems that jokingly "giving up" after being insulted over and over is punished.

Thank you everyone. :)

Rape is worse than speeding imo. Both will get you punished though.

AeroWaffleFeb 26, 20181 votes

I would point the reason behind the punishment to the attitude you had including (and after) the point where you gave up in chat.

MagicFlyingLlamaFeb 27, 20181 votes

Passive-aggressive bitching is still flaming and distracting to your team.

ZavolkFeb 27, 20183 votes

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Passive-aggressive bitching is still flaming and distracting to your team.

Please don't curse. I don't want you accidentally getting in trouble even though you are trying to help me by providing feedback.

ChermorgFeb 27, 20181 votes

Cursing isn't prohibited. Being passive aggressive (or any form of aggressive) or negative towards your teammates is.

If others are insulting you, the proper response is to mute them and report them at the end - not to be negative and "tilting".

ZavolkFeb 27, 20184 votes

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Cursing isn't prohibited. Being passive aggressive (or any form of aggressive) or negative towards your teammates is.

If others are insulting you, the proper response is to mute them and report them at the end - not to be negative and "tilting".

Fair enough. So whenever someone is rude DON'T stand up for yourself or explain what you are trying to do, but instead, mute them and keep playing. Thank you. :)

ChermorgFeb 27, 20184 votes

To be completely honest, yes. There is absolutely no reason you must "stand up for yourself" in League - it just perpetuates negativity and turns one toxic asshole into one toxic asshole and someone being negative back to them. Don't argue, don't fight, and don't "defend" yourself - just mute them and move on.

SangreDeNocheFeb 27, 20182 votes

At that point why stop there, why not crawl up in a hole and die? That way I won't perpetuate negativity with my "self defense" and "passive aggressive" behavior that is ruining games for, as you call them, "toxic assholes." Your advice is like the time my friend realized there was a burgler in his house so he called the police and they told him to just let the burglar do his thing until he leaves because while there **are ** police in the area they are "busy patrolling" when the purpose of "patrolling" is supposed to be having people nearby in case something happens. To take things further for the sake of showing how incredibly ignorant this logic is in practice, I guess all those people who survived the recent shooting should've just opened the doors and let the shooter in because they ruined his experience by "defending themselves" with walls.

Kei143Feb 27, 20181 votes

debunking people as fine, but you don't need to harass them / be passive aggressive to them. It serves no purpose other than to get others irritated at you.

That said, Galizien has said pretty well why you were punished.

Telephone BoothFeb 28, 20181 votes

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Fair enough. So whenever someone is rude DON'T stand up for yourself or explain what you are trying to do, but instead, mute them and keep playing. Thank you. :)

Yes. Now you're cookin!

SangreDeNocheFeb 27, 20181 votes

Nice attitude to have, Chermorg. I'll take your advice to heart while I continue to see several of these "troubled youths" in every single one of my pbe games and Riot continues to ignore the fire while telling us "this is fine." (That last part is a joke because Riot doesn't address toxicity on the public beta)

Smiles on the rift, friends :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

MagicFlyingLlamaFeb 27, 20181 votes

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Please don't curse. I don't want you accidentally getting in trouble even though you are trying to help me by providing feedback.

If i had a walrus for every time i got a forum warning/ban for not using >, i would have a walri. No fucks given this day.

Mods here have tunnel vision, i think. That, or just really overworked and slowly going insane from exposure.

Telephone BoothFeb 28, 20181 votes

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Please don't curse. I don't want you accidentally getting in trouble even though you are trying to help me by providing feedback.

Swearing is not punishable. I don't fucking know why you would think that shit alone is punishable. (Wouldn't say this in game though. The "fucking" combined with the rest of the sentence really makes it seem like I'm attacking you, and I would probably get punished. Boards are not the same as in game though)

SangreDeNocheFeb 27, 20181 votes

Tell that to riot, I was honor 5 on both accounts last season and I'm honor 4 with multiple points in it this year. I'll be honest and say I'm toxic by that definition practically every game. Difference is I say it like "nice ult [person who still has it up], glad you pinged me you had it before I went in. Who knows what would have happened if you hadn't used it :) " I'm being a total prick and I know it, but for whatever reason I'm allowed to keep doing it haha.

MagicFlyingLlamaFeb 27, 20181 votes

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Tell that to riot, I was honor 5 on both accounts last season and I'm honor 4 with multiple points in it this year. I'll be honest and say I'm toxic by that definition practically every game. Difference is I say it like "nice ult [person who still has it up], glad you pinged me you had it before I went in. Who knows what would have happened if you hadn't used it :) " I'm being a total prick and I know it, but for whatever reason I'm allowed to keep doing it haha.

Most humans are too dumb to detect sarcasm, how well do you think a computer fares?

ZavolkFeb 27, 20181 votes

Hokey Dokey <3

Telephone BoothFeb 28, 20181 votes

I think it was the absolute loss of morale that you spread into chat. You just gave up. Constant negativity... "I'm done" several times, "I shouldn't support at this mmr" "I'm not gonna support kids who haven't even been gold 5" "enjoy your loss". You basically condescended to your entire team, saying you're the best player there, and they don't even know how to play. Avoid this.