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In What World Does This Constitute A Perma Ban?

Syradanuirgis··1 votes·779 views

Original Post: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/team-recruitment/K83i2Yaq (Was in The Wrong Boards)

"A player-triggered review found your in-game comms to be EXTREMELY INFLAMMATORY AND OFFENSIVE"

So this is what passes for extremely inflammatory and offensive now, and constitutes a perma ban? Give me a break lmao

Also, "far below the standards of the league community"? Based on the standards I see in the league community this is simply untrue haha

Maybe I should have just intentionally fed or trolled like the countless people I encounter that choose to do so! That way I wouldn't be banned right now!

A bit of context for the beginning of the chat log, our ADC caitlyn has been unable to change his runes in his past games, regardless he continues to play ranked, meaning that our ADC, the strongest role in the game at the moment, is pretty much useless.

Believe it or not RIOT, knowing that your game is most likely lost before you have even touched a minion is a little bit triggering!! Perhaps stepping out of line in the SLIGHTEST and calling him a "smart guy" is somewhat justified?

Here Is The Chat Log

Game 1 Syradanuirgis: gg Syradanuirgis: rune pages aernt saving Syradanuirgis: plays ranked Syradanuirgis: smart guy here Syradanuirgis: oh ya Syradanuirgis: im fuming Syradanuirgis: just broke my pc Syradanuirgis: so mad rn Syradanuirgis: need 2 chill Syradanuirgis: hahaha lol Syradanuirgis: ya Syradanuirgis: u rite Syradanuirgis: amu top Syradanuirgis: ^^ Syradanuirgis: ur tf [UDYR goes in on fed Corki, dies, blames me, I couldnt do anything cuz I had cooldowns] Syradanuirgis: yup Syradanuirgis: way too feed Syradanuirgis: got cds Syradanuirgis: no Syradanuirgis: u dont Syradanuirgis: lol Syradanuirgis: thats why i didnt want to stay [UDYR flaming me] Syradanuirgis: 0/3 udyr Syradanuirgis: getting outjungled by a silver 4 amumu Syradanuirgis: lul Syradanuirgis: talk shit <----------------- EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE AND INFLAMMATORY!! (HUGYEbuw4bhrtguw4hyt32ht Syradanuirgis: ya

[JANNA your "flame" is the reason we are losing. Team has 7 kills, I have 6 of them. Enemy team has 18] Syradanuirgis: the flame is obviously the reason Syradanuirgis: the 4 of u Syradanuirgis: have 1 kill Syradanuirgis: u rite Syradanuirgis: xd Syradanuirgis: see [JANNA calls me stupid asshole while calling me toxic whole time] Syradanuirgis: thats the most flamey thing said all game Syradanuirgis: for what exactly Syradanuirgis: go ahead and report me Syradanuirgis: lol Syradanuirgis: the only thing toxic Syradanuirgis: is our adc Syradanuirgis: with klepto [cait actually has unsealed spellbook] Syradanuirgis: playing ranked Syradanuirgis: when he knows he cant choose his runes Syradanuirgis: but god forbid someomne points out u guys have 1 kill amongst 4 people in 16 minutes Syradanuirgis: thats toxic! Syradanuirgis: mb Syradanuirgis: wrong thing Syradanuirgis: seriously u people amaze me Syradanuirgis: if u had played in season 4 Syradanuirgis: xd Syradanuirgis: u would think i am saint catherine Syradanuirgis: thats not flame tho LOL Syradanuirgis: are u like 13 Syradanuirgis: and a liberal Syradanuirgis: u people are something else Syradanuirgis: u literally have a mute button Syradanuirgis: specifically designed Syradanuirgis: for when Syradanuirgis: u dont want to see someones messages Syradanuirgis: u dont mute Syradanuirgis: and then u complain Syradanuirgis: xd Syradanuirgis: yeah Syradanuirgis: ik Syradanuirgis: u know what Syradanuirgis: add me after this game Syradanuirgis: and we see if i get chat ban Syradanuirgis: for saying "smart guy" Syradanuirgis: xddd Syradanuirgis: what Syradanuirgis: ya im the one not trying Syradanuirgis: deserve that Syradanuirgis: gg wp

Yeah, I would have been surprised to recieve a chat ban for this HIGH degree of TOXICITY and OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE!

You can even tell that my messages aern't unprovoked

The one "swear word" said in this: "talk shit" when my teammate is flaming ME because he thinks I made a mistake not going in on a fed af Corki

How does this seriously constitute a permanent ban??? xD

FYI, yes, this is the only chat log that contributed towards my permanent ban, there are no other chat logs.

Well kk

edit: Caitlyn had unsealed spellbook not kleptomancy

18 Comments

fatherdarius7 votes

Did you have a 14 day ban for something prior to this incident?

Syradanuirgis1 votes

{quoted}

Did you have a 14 day ban for something prior to this incident?

Yes I did and I had been on my best behavior since :)

Had I known that language as harmless as this after my 14-day ban would get me permanently banned, I would have been too scared to say anything at all in the chat!

MagicFlyingLlama6 votes

{quoted}

Yes I did and I had been on my best behavior since :)

Had I known that language as harmless as this after my 14-day ban would get me permanently banned, I would have been too scared to say anything at all in the chat!

This uncontrolled flaming is your best behavior?

Unfortunate, but at least you tried..

Syradanuirgis2 votes

{quoted}

This uncontrolled flaming is your best behavior?

Unfortunate, but at least you tried..

"Uncontrolled flaming", give me a break

I've heard worse language being thrown around in a church

Uncontrolled would be wishing death upon my teammate and his family, an offense that got you a mere 10 game chat ban just 2 seasons ago. Now you get a perma ban for this, it's rediculous haha

And also buddy, had I not been on my best behavior I obviously would have gotten banned earlier if this language is what got me banned today. Lol

Silent Gravity8 votes

The language is fine. Riot doesn't fucking care if you fucking swear.

But, the part that made this chatlog worthy of receiving a punishment is how many lines you devoted to having an argument.

Syradanuirgis1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vGs23N1o,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-21T02:32:10.261+0000)

The language is fine. Riot doesn't fucking care if you fucking swear.

But, the part that made this chatlog worthy of receiving a punishment is how many lines you devoted to having an argument.

Firstly, an argument always involves more than one person.

I hoped that you might be able to gather, from both the amount of messages as well as what is actually said in them that the vast majority of these are actually responses to what my teammates are telling me. It is not a bannable offensive to send a lot of messages. I was still playing the game, I was still trying to win it even though it was lost as we had 7 kills, 6 of which were mine from my lane. And the opponents had 18 or something.

A big problem I feel with the report system is that there is no way to tell if the person receiving punishment has been provoked or not. Likewise, knowing that this in itself is not an excuse to throw around "extremely offensive and inflammatory language", I, in my mind, perhaps not RIOTSs, tried hard to stay within the bounds of reasonable language.

Guess I forgot its 2018 and people get offended by literally anything now.

ModPeriscope5 votes

Firstly, an argument always involves more than one person.

Realize that it always takes 1 to stop an argument.

MagicFlyingLlama4 votes

{quoted}

"Uncontrolled flaming", give me a break

I've heard worse language being thrown around in a church

Uncontrolled would be wishing death upon my teammate and his family, an offense that got you a mere 10 game chat ban just 2 seasons ago. Now you get a perma ban for this, it's rediculous haha

And also buddy, had I not been on my best behavior I obviously would have gotten banned earlier if this language is what got me banned today. Lol

Nobody cares about the words, they cared about the fact you spent the entire game flaming your team.

Incidentally, i dont know what yokel backwater you are from, but a church here would politely throw you out on your ass for that.

Negativity1 votes

Ufivivivivcuo

The Cream Reaper1 votes

Yes I did

then you don't understand how the punishment system works

there are 4 tiers:

10 game chat restriction

25 game chat restriction

2 week ban

permaban

the punishments are like a ladder. they are not punishments that are independent of each other. if you are found guilty of breaking the rules and you had previous punishments, IT MATTERS:

after you get the 10 game chat restriction and are toxic enough for a second punishment, you don't get the 10 game one again. you go up to the next one (25 game chat ban)

if you break the rules again and are toxic enough for at least a 10 game chat ban, you don't go back down towards it. you go up to the 2 week ban

if you break the rules again , you don't go back down the ladder. you go up... for the last time

Anastaecia3 votes

It's not about the language (except hate speech, etc), it's about the intent. When will people get this? You were harassing your team all game.

Syradanuirgis1 votes

{quoted}

It's not about the language (except hate speech, etc), it's about the intent. When will people get this? You were harassing your team all game.

What was my intent exactly? Please enlighten me. Because from minute 1 I was trying to win a game that had been lost as soon as my ADC had taken unsealed spellbook because he cannot choose his runes and chooses to play ranked anyway.

Also, RIOT make it very clear in the statement you are given when you are banned that your "IN GAME COMMS ARE EXTREMELY INFLAMMATORY AND OFFENSIVE". So don't tell me it's not about the language, when it 100% is, or if it's not, RIOT themselves admit that it's meant to be.

It is not harassment when the vast majority of these messages are replies to things my teammates are saying.

What you are saying is absolutely rediculous

Where is Janna's ban for calling me an asshole? Where is Udyr's ban for telling me I don't deserve to be in my division? If what you are saying is true, are these not examples of "harassment" too?

Anastaecia2 votes

By "language" I mean the actual words (thought I implied that when I mentioned hate speech which is specific words). Riot doesn't care if you swear. They care if you harass (any words can be used for this), which you did. Doesn't matter if you were responding to someone else. Attacking someone else with words is against the rules.

Syradanuirgis1 votes

{quoted}

By "language" I mean the actual words (thought I implied that when I mentioned hate speech which is specific words). Riot doesn't care if you swear. They care if you harass (any words can be used for this), which you did. Doesn't matter if you were responding to someone else. Attacking someone else with words is against the rules.

Jesus Christ in what world are these messages an "attack" How is that an attack??

People like you genuinely amaze me. Had you been born just 80 or so years ago you would have been going off to fight the "attacking" Nazis spreading across Europe or the Japanese in the Pacific and witness your comrades get shot down like flies on the battlefield.

But now, in 2018, you, in all your moral-highness are going to tell me that the language used here is an "attack"?

Absolutely disgusting, whether you want to admit it or not

Also, at the click of a button, the person who feels "attacked" doesnt have to read another word. Isn't that what the mute button is for? Permanent bans, the most severe punishment of the game, are meant to be reserved for players who send the most offensive, insulting statements in chat. Of which, there are none in this log.

Furthermore, literally anything you say to me I could take and call harassment.

zPOOPz4 votes

Using mute prevent your toxicity that game. Using report prevent your toxicity in all future games.

Using one does not exclude the usage of the other.

Ekitaih3 votes

It seems that your problem is that you're trying to blame everyone else other than yourself. I get it's probably frustrating that you got permabanned, but you had been warned, several times previously that if you continued behavior like this that you would be permanently banned. You have no one to blame but yourself. This is definitely a warranted permaban going on the fact that you've been toxic in the past. This may seem light to you, but you're literally sitting in chat arguing with your team mates. Yes, arguments take more than one person. But you knew you were on the cusp of a permaban and decided to flame your team mates anyways. The difference between you and everyone else is this was your last straw. You did it to yourself. In all your replies to everyone else, you're so defensive. You refuse to own up to the fact that you were toxic. Believe what you want, but this is toxic behavior. Going by the rules and standards set forth by Riot games. You use the mute button as a scapecoat. "They can just mute me.... Blah blah blah." But the same could be said to you. You could have muted them and went on your way. But you chose to flame the entire team. So enjoy your ban. You have no one but yourself to blame.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Oh damn, permabanned. Can't even add him to show him he was right, that sucks.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

Unfortunately, this constitutes a permaban in this world. Once you are on the last punishment tier, any viable report can tip your account into it if it is confirmed by the IFS. And while you aren't using hate speech or death threats, you do spend a considerable amount of time being passive aggressive, snide and sarcastic to the rest of your team, and devote at least 15 lines of chat to complaining and harassing the ADC for their runes. When you have been warned that any further rule breaking will cost you your account, you have to know that picking fights with your team is incredibly foolish. You may try to brush this punishment off as Riot being overly harsh, or ridiculously unfair, but the reality is that these logs are considered below the standard of the League community. Most players do not want to deal with this sort of thing in their matches. Yes, they have the option of muting you in the current match. But they also have the option of reporting you and letting Riot make the call on whether it wants to mute you from the game. Which they did, and the IFS agreed that your behavior was unacceptable. If you choose to make another account, try to keep in mind that this sort of thing will lead you right back here, and avoid it if you can. For your own sake.

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