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What do you gain out of FFing in norms?

Dangerous Man··1 votes·799 views

I find it frustrating that more matches end in an FF than a nexus kill. What do you gain out of FFing? 6 minutes? I find it unsatisfactory no matter what team I'm on. If I carry really hard and they FF I just lose the potential full build stage of the game, the most balanced and interesting part.

When we FF we lose the potential comeback, which are extremely fun to play out and destroy the team you were just losing to.

So what do you gain out of FFing? 4 minutes of your time? Is it really worth it? Imagine this: let's say you've FFed 100 times, but if you didn't FF you'd win 30 of those. Is that true? It could be, but people like you that FF don't know that because you'd surrender at any sight of loss. If they've got 3 inhibs you say GG in all chat even though they just threw a teamfight. If they've got a 12/0 Jinx you say the game is unwinnable, it's already over. Is it useful to be that impatient?

The only reason I've been salty in any of my games, I normally don't get salty when I play Leeague, but things like that really grind my gears. The fact that you could have just not-losed if you didn't click the button. I do understand if it's 100% guaranteed and the team kills are 5 - 35 and they have baron buff yes, understandable. But 25 - 35 + 2 tower advantage is no reason to ff.

Directed at those who chop off the most interesting 5-10 minutes of over half the games in my match history.

24 Comments

YokoNomi6 votes

Surrendering a game is always circumstantial, so I feel like the answer for as to why will always differ. In my cases, I typically only really consider it, if the match becomes horribly one sided. I am against those who bend easily to an ailing match, but everyone has their own limit. Plus, being forced to be pushed through a match that ultimately rewards not enough to justify the potential suffering isn't always worth it.

Jo0o5 votes

I'm all for playing for a comeback and getting practice in.

That said, I'll gladly surrender if the game is utterly out of hand, to the point of being unfun. I had a game today where my ADC and I were pushed up under turret by an aggressive enemy duo throughout the entire laning phase, yet our jungler was barely present or ganked through such poor angles that he gave himself no chance of accomplishing anything. Meanwhile, our mid had fed so much in such little time that the enemy midlaner could leisurely gank top or bot with little chance of counterplay. Our midlaner refused to play defensively, and our jungler was more interested in harassing me with unreasonable demands than actually engaging. I only died a single time, but it would have been a dreary experience to be slowly pushed further and further into my base over the next ten minutes.

HavokDash1 votes

apparently so I have been told. Its NOT junglers job to help gank lanes that are suffering. You apparently have to suffer on your own. As a support i have been told that I have no right to speak on anything. I have been told that it is not junglers job to gank any lane that is pressured. and If bot lane falls, Its MY FAULT. This whole season is turning out to be the season teamwork dies on league. Kids are too wrapped up on "Fend for yourself, work on yourself. Dont rely on teamwork" So dont worry, Matches will get shorter and soon we will be able to FF at 10 minutes if one player doesnt get a penta within the first 5 min. I mean riot has to cater to thier paying 'whales'.

Umbral Regent1 votes

If you don't like League of Legends as it is right now, you're free to quit. If you don't like what you perceive as a "fend for yourself" mentality, you can just leave.

HavokDash1 votes

Yeah I mean why bother trying to fix the community, why the hell even bother looking at the flaws and trying to improve them. Anyone who brings up these nasty little truths should just shut up and go play some other game so you can keep pretending the community isnt a steaming pile of sewage backup, complete with shiny corn niblets on ever steaming pile.

Kei1432 votes

ehhhh......

People at the very most bottom of the ladder often don't know what they are talking about as they don't know enough about the game.

I would put the terminology of "Lane Slave" in that category, where people in bronze don't know how to play support well enough, thus end up playing as a Lane Slave. There probably would only be a handful ignorant people that say that after you get out of bronze5. After you get better at the game, you become the "player maker" or "player denier" instead.

Jo0o4 votes

There's a difference between playing defensively and setting up a gank that never comes, versus playing poorly, getting annihilated, and blaming the jungler. I only died once, and it was in a team fight, not in lane.

Folks have disagreed with you (which you seem to have interpreted as telling you you "have no right to speak on anything") because you're Bronze 5 but refuse to take improvement into your own hands. It's a hard game, and asking for help/doing research is part of getting better at it. Getting upset and lashing out won't make you any friends.

HavokDash1 votes

No I had a Sejuani jungle actually TELL ME. IN THOSE WORDS "You are a support, you have no right to say anything" It was not an "interperet", those were her words. But yeah, go ahead and keep pretending support players arent completely treated like shit. I know you want to keep pretending the community isnt just so perfect. There is a reason why the nickname for a support is a "Lane slave"

Jo0o5 votes

So, you found an internet asshole. Welcome to the club.

Dude, a quick glance over your posting history shows a long list of threads made for the purpose of complaining about others. A quick glance over your match history shows a lot of room for improvement. You'd be happier with League if you stopped these complaints and instead posted questions about how YOU could improve. Any number of forum regulars, including myself, would be happy to give advice.

HereComeSexyTime4 votes

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So, you found an internet asshole. Welcome to the club.

Dude, a quick glance over your posting history shows a long list of threads made for the purpose of complaining about others. A quick glance over your match history shows a lot of room for improvement. You'd be happier with League if you stopped these complaints and instead posted questions about how YOU could improve. Any number of forum regulars, including myself, would be happy to give advice.

The single greatest way to improve your game is to try focusing solely on YOUR mistakes or what YOU could have done better. Often this requires muting your teammates.

SavageConcordia3 votes

But yeah, go ahead and keep pretending support players arent completely treated like shit.

Generally I am treated with either appreciation or indifference. Support is the one role that will never get shit on for having 0 kills or shit farm, in low elo people don't know what a support should do so they have a hard time realizing when the support is bad.

Remember, the only constant in your games is you, if you find yourself in arguments with teammates every game, maybe you are the one being overly combative not your teammates.

Jo0o1 votes

I've actually had two different people on these boards flame me in the past couple days for having a bad KDA, as a support main. You'd think people would figure out how that works, but you'd be wrong.

HavokDash1 votes

Are you kidding? Every time I get dumped on as a support, it is BECAUSE "you got no kills" I keep having to tell people and pull my hair out. SUPPORT IS NOT A KILL FOCUSSED ROLE" and they will come back with "Or maybe you just suk"

Support's job is to keep the team alive, not rake in kills. So dont give me that "support never gets shit on for having 0 kills" I know for a fact that is bullshit, I get shit on almost every game because I am not rolling in kills like the rest of the team They will run away from me when I am trying to heal them and they are busy chasing a kill, then tell me how "useless" of a support I am when they end up dying before I can heal them.

SavageConcordia1 votes

Support's job is to keep the team alive, not rake in kills.

Play a support that can engage, use the engage to net kills for your team. If you play passive healers you will rely on your teammates ability to position properly (not a good choice at low elo). If you play a support like Thresh you can punish the enemy and serve kills up to your adc on a platter that anyone of any skill level can take advantage of.

Best Vi Earth1 votes

i mean you hardly learn anything important in normals. just better to ff

HavokDash1 votes

This game has pretty much just become another excuse to turn everything into a Call of duty style TDM. No one cares about towers or objectives, And I am done trying to get teamwork going on my teams. They want KILLS, thats ALL they want. And if they dont get "most kills bruh" or cant "Solo carry" then they give up and forfeit. I can understand when matches are too one-sided to win. but no one cares about winning anyways. they want a "Perfect game" with all the kills going to them. as soon as that possibility goes out the window, they FF. Cuz working as a team means sharing the spotlight, and what SOLO carry wants to share that?

o brigid o1 votes

There are plenty of reasons to surrender, as stated in previous comments.

Making a comeback is a lot of fun, I agree! Those games are the best!

BUT I have to weigh whether or not winning my current match is worth the time required to do it. For any number of reasons... my team is toxic/rubs me the wrong way, I'm tilted, etc etc... a victory won't necessarily make the current match fun. This is a game, after all. I'm not paid to play it as a pro or streamer. I play solely to have fun. If I get stressed out or a match stops being fun and I feel like even a win can't really redeem it, I would so much rather FF and get a fresh start (or take a break if I need to). Winning isn't everything to me, so the ever present possibility of a comeback isn't always enough to make me want to see it through.

And that's the beauty of the vote. Everyone on the team gets to vote.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

its just like you said - the other team doesnt want you to surrender. so why give them what they want and continue?

when you are getting slaughtered by the other team they are laughing at you and having a great time. yes you have a small chance to make a comeback but you would have to play so carefully that it becomes unfun anyway. realistically the best/only way to get back at your enemies is to surrender and cut their fun short.

also if you ff'd 100 times at 6 minutes per surrender then you have saved yourself 10 hours of losing. free time is valuable. i like to spend as much time as i can winning and as little as i can losing.

Ban Lee I Int1 votes

If you are down 6 towers and 20 kills at 15 minutes and you are the only person who isn't ffing you are being an asshole. There is a reason ffing exists, learn to use it, not just for yourself, but for the other 9 people in the game. If it's ranked I can understand not ffing, but in norms why waste peoples time? Not only that but you mention carrying with full build, yet you don't play any carry champs so why would that matter? I think most people hate having people like you that refuse to ff in their games.

Butt Ρlug1 votes

It's normal so you gain nothing, but you loose nothing either, nobody cares to win in normals you don't gain anything. I ff in normal when i see that my teammates wants to FF ( even if we have late game on paper and things like that, it's normal so i don't care ), like 3 dudes wants to quit so i'll ff too. In ranked however i'll never surrender because each victory counts and we can always come back.

Ayanami3rd1 votes

Since I'm in a hurry, I will just sum it up:

Screw 2% comeback chance. If we surrender now, we can have a completely new chance to win in the same time we otherwise prolong our defeat.

Also please consider that people like me who attend a job don't have hours of hours to play in the evening. I need a FWotD, and I'm not fighting for your "fun comebacks", at least not in normals.

zoliking1 votes

What do you gain from continuing on with a game that is already settled? The worst behaviour in the game is trapping your team in a lost game by refusing to surrender. Those few minutes a game add up. For a while I was measuring the time I spent trapped in lost games and it came out to over 30 hours over 3 years. That's just the time wasted on lost games. The goal of the game is to take the other team's nexus. When the possiblity of doing that becomes a remote off chance you surrender so as not to waste anybody's time.

Dangerous Man1 votes

I love my midnight+ rants they always turn out nice an peaceful and in perfect resolution.

Dangerous Man1 votes

What I was trying to say was, why play to win if you gain nothing out of winning? It's worth it to play out those losses because you aren't losing anything are you? You're losing minutes, if you use minutes to lose, how is that better than using the same 5 minutes to win? No matter what your opinion on winning/losing is, the answer is neutral and you should not be caring in the first place because either way you're still spending time on the game, except one way you're giving up and the other way you're making an attempt, you could actually see if you really can win a lost game. It happens and it's not as rare as you think but I guess you wouldn't know because you've probably never experienced a comeback in your life.

This is entertainment and if you aren't getting entertained during your losses than what's the point in even playing. If you aren't having fun while you lose, while you are put at a major disadvantage, while you have the chance to prove something then you shouldn't be playing League. If winning is for you then I recommend https://seansleblanc.itch.io/push-the-button-to-win because you can't lose.

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