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14 day ban for this? I dont get it riot.

Lyns4thblade··5 votes·1,198 views

I dont get it, I was tilted this game, yeah, but I tried to remain positive while also trying to stop udyr from flaming everyone all game. I said a few swear words yeah. But honestly i'm mostly a positive player and i try to just explain why people did things wrong when they do and i type mostly to communicate what i think we should do or what i'm doing. I dont get why I get a ban for this especially since i had a majority or good games today and if you saw my chat logs for the whole day they are 90% positive and i never used hate speech. Not once. I tried to keep moral high in most games (its why my win rate is so high I imagine) and I try to put out fires when the rest of the team gets tilted. This insta ban system becasue the udyr this game reported me is kinda unfair. I mean sure I said a few things that I wish I could take back but if you saw what he said to me this game and my support blitzcrank I would say i'm pretty okay. I've been playing since season 2 and I have consistently been a pretty positive player. I got a lot of honour today and then this one game when I get reported by someone who was flaming and making the game less fun for everyone (who I tried to stop from flaming btw). and I get a 14 day ban? I put money into this game, and I dont believe it is right to ban me like this without any warning first or anything. Especially if i've had a lot of good games recently. Its like a computer sees a report and sees a certain amount of messages sent and says yup this person deserves a ban? I dont know about this riot. I think you need to bring back the tribunal banning system or fix this one because if you saw all of the players chat histories in this game mine was by far the cleanest. I just feel a little gyped. So many players dont get banned or punished for their negetive behaviour and this game I clearly tried to help the team realize we could still win. and I tried to stop udyr from flaming and being toxic. Not to mention he used hate speech a few times too. I am trying to practice for preseason to rank up when the season starts. But this makes that really hard and it makes it hard to communicate with my team when i feel like i'm going to get banned for not even saying anything bad. honestly. I hope there is a way to appeal this ban. I honestly dont see the reason for it. sure I typed a lot. and maybe said a few things that were kinda negetive. but I always came back to "we can win this guys". I feel like the bans are just distributed based on reports and riot doesn't take into account that players who are toxic report people sometimes and then this happens. I reported udyr that game. I bet that he didn't even get a ban or anything even though he called us both "%%%gots" in the bot lane. I am just super thrown off by this, and it makes me not even want to play the game anymore. honestly i'd even take a permanent chat ban but to allow people to spend money on your game for 6 years and then ban them like this is pretty rediculous in my opinion.

Lyns4thblade: fix dat toaster jayce Lyns4thblade: lol Lyns4thblade: did he even connect? Lyns4thblade: yeah we may have to remake Lyns4thblade: nah hes here Lyns4thblade: thats a good game haha Lyns4thblade: dont flame, chill udyr lol Lyns4thblade: chill Lyns4thblade: gj! you the best! Lyns4thblade: please udyr Lyns4thblade: theyre pushed so far, stop flaming man Lyns4thblade: what? Lyns4thblade: wtf man Lyns4thblade: so tilted Lyns4thblade: i am Lyns4thblade: cause udyr didn't come Lyns4thblade: sigh Lyns4thblade: no Lyns4thblade: lol Lyns4thblade: dude theyve had no vision Lyns4thblade: all game Lyns4thblade: and been against our tower and diving our tower Lyns4thblade: its fucked, this udyr is just shunning us and calling us names all game Lyns4thblade: and we didn't do anything to him Lyns4thblade: we can't fight draven Lyns4thblade: just let me farm Lyns4thblade: please Lyns4thblade: this is gg Lyns4thblade: udyr toxic all game. just report him please. 9x Lyns4thblade: ... Lyns4thblade: Blitz is doing fine udyr leave him alone Lyns4thblade: just walk away Lyns4thblade: and let me get a kill Lyns4thblade: next time please Lyns4thblade: i need to carry this Lyns4thblade: and i can't Lyns4thblade: with no gold Lyns4thblade: why do you fight Lyns4thblade: when i'm not there Lyns4thblade: next time wait for me bro Lyns4thblade: you going ham has gotten them three kills this game so far Lyns4thblade: we can still win this Lyns4thblade: its not hard Lyns4thblade: i just need items Lyns4thblade: whyd you stay... Lyns4thblade: holy hell Lyns4thblade: thsi games a shit show Lyns4thblade: why not just hit tower bro Lyns4thblade: it was free Lyns4thblade: you stayed too long behind tower Lyns4thblade: whatever its gg Lyns4thblade: i can't with this game Lyns4thblade: sucha shit show Lyns4thblade: udyr toxic for the first ten minutes, brings whole team down. Lyns4thblade: like Lyns4thblade: no wonder I lose elo Lyns4thblade: fuck sakes Lyns4thblade: sigh Lyns4thblade: why are you ap mao? not flaming just asking. Is that a thing? Lyns4thblade: sigh Lyns4thblade: elo still matters in preseason mao Lyns4thblade: if you dont care Lyns4thblade: play norms Lyns4thblade: btw folks we can still win this, just gotta stick together. Lyns4thblade: sigh Lyns4thblade: if we stay in base Lyns4thblade: we can Lyns4thblade: and just defend Lyns4thblade: preseason is such a shit show Lyns4thblade: lol Lyns4thblade: fuck preseason ranked

31 Comments

redniwediS4 votes

You did call for reports, which is technically against the rules. One report carries the same weight as nine, so there's absolutely no reason to bring it up in chat. Besides that you were rather negative, which in general probably wouldn't have been punishment worthy on it's own, but definitely didn't do you any favors.

Lyns4thblade1 votes

I still feel that banning someone for 14 days is so extreme considering i wasn't even using hate speech or anything. Its really silly to me I dunno.

redniwediS1 votes

Every time you do something they consider punishable you go up a punishment tier. You can skip tiers for something terrible, but if you consistently do something minor you will still go up and up. If you don't get a good answer from this thread definitely make a support ticket so you understand what you're doing, because the 14 day ban is meant to be the final warning.

Kirisomia1 votes

report calling is punishable. you can report someone for report calling you, as long as you didnt say anything negative. its all in the rules, and did you get the chat restriction?

Taeseuk3 votes

You asked for reports that's a big no, it doesn't matter if 1 person reports or 9 people reports.

You also can't justify you turning toxic because they were, believe me I get it. It's very hard to ignore the fact that people are flaming but when you chose to retaliate in a negative manor you brought a punishment upon yourself.

Also just because you put money into the game doesn't mean you're exempt from following the rules and doing as the summoners code tells us to behave.

Lyns4thblade1 votes

But i didn't even get a warning. Like. I didn't get a chat ban or anything just strait to 14 day player ban? don't you think that seems a bit extreme?

Taeseuk1 votes

Asking for reports is probably why you got such a harsh punishment and you did state you had chat restrictions before, not recently but you did have them.

I'm not saying that the system is perfect because it obviously isn't it has flaws but for the most part it works as intended, sometimes it's harsh but for the most part it does it's job of keeping people in check.

Lyns4thblade1 votes

I understand that paying into the game doesn't exempt me from getting punished. But 14 days for this chat log? I dunno man It just feels a little harsh considering I wasn't entirely negetive this game or anything. I still defended someone, and I didn't use any hate speech. Seems a little crazy to me.

Kei1431 votes

There are 4 tiers of punishment:

  1. 10 game chat restriction
  2. 25 game chat restriction
  3. 14-day ban
  4. permaban

Unless your punishment tier decayed (done by playing lots of games), the punishment after a 25 game chat restriction will be a 14-day ban.

While the reform card shows you one game only as an example of recent games that is unacceptable in behavioral standards, it doesn't mean you were punished for this game alone.

TwoChikfilaSauce3 votes

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I dont get it, I was tilted this game, yeah, but I tried to remain positive while also trying to stop udyr from flaming everyone all game. I said a few swear words yeah. But honestly i'm mostly a positive player and i try to just explain why people did things wrong when they do and i type mostly to communicate what i think we should do or what i'm doing. I dont get why I get a ban for this especially since i had a majority or good games today and if you saw my chat logs for the whole day they are 90% positive and i never used hate speech. Not once. I tried to keep moral high in most games (its why my win rate is so high I imagine) and I try to put out fires when the rest of the team gets tilted. This insta ban system becasue the udyr this game reported me is kinda unfair. I mean sure I said a few things that I wish I could take back but if you saw what he said to me this game and my support blitzcrank I would say i'm pretty okay. I've been playing since season 2 and I have consistently been a pretty positive player. I got a lot of honour today and then this one game when I get reported by someone who was flaming and making the game less fun for everyone (who I tried to stop from flaming btw). and I get a 14 day ban? I put money into this game, and I dont believe it is right to ban me like this without any warning first or anything. Especially if i've had a lot of good games recently. Its like a computer sees a report and sees a certain amount of messages sent and says yup this person deserves a ban? I dont know about this riot. I think you need to bring back the tribunal banning system or fix this one because if you saw all of the players chat histories in this game mine was by far the cleanest. I just feel a little gyped. So many players dont get banned or punished for their negetive behaviour and this game I clearly tried to help the team realize we could still win. and I tried to stop udyr from flaming and being toxic. Not to mention he used hate speech a few times too. I am trying to practice for preseason to rank up when the season starts. But this makes that really hard and it makes it hard to communicate with my team when i feel like i'm going to get banned for not even saying anything bad. honestly. I hope there is a way to appeal this ban. I honestly dont see the reason for it. sure I typed a lot. and maybe said a few things that were kinda negetive. but I always came back to "we can win this guys". I feel like the bans are just distributed based on reports and riot doesn't take into account that players who are toxic report people sometimes and then this happens. I reported udyr that game. I bet that he didn't even get a ban or anything even though he called us both "%%%gots" in the bot lane. I am just super thrown off by this, and it makes me not even want to play the game anymore. honestly i'd even take a permanent chat ban but to allow people to spend money on your game for 6 years and then ban them like this is pretty rediculous in my opinion.

Lyns4thblade: fix dat toaster jayce Lyns4thblade: lol Lyns4thblade: did he even connect? Lyns4thblade: yeah we may have to remake Lyns4thblade: nah hes here Lyns4thblade: thats a good game haha Lyns4thblade: dont flame, chill udyr lol Lyns4thblade: chill Lyns4thblade: gj! you the best! Lyns4thblade: please udyr Lyns4thblade: theyre pushed so far, stop flaming man Lyns4thblade: what? Lyns4thblade: wtf man Lyns4thblade: so tilted Lyns4thblade: i am Lyns4thblade: cause udyr didn't come Lyns4thblade: sigh Lyns4thblade: no Lyns4thblade: lol Lyns4thblade: dude theyve had no vision Lyns4thblade: all game Lyns4thblade: and been against our tower and diving our tower Lyns4thblade: its fucked, this udyr is just shunning us and calling us names all game Lyns4thblade: and we didn't do anything to him Lyns4thblade: we can't fight draven Lyns4thblade: just let me farm Lyns4thblade: please Lyns4thblade: this is gg Lyns4thblade: udyr toxic all game. just report him please. 9x Lyns4thblade: ... Lyns4thblade: Blitz is doing fine udyr leave him alone Lyns4thblade: just walk away Lyns4thblade: and let me get a kill Lyns4thblade: next time please Lyns4thblade: i need to carry this Lyns4thblade: and i can't Lyns4thblade: with no gold Lyns4thblade: why do you fight Lyns4thblade: when i'm not there Lyns4thblade: next time wait for me bro Lyns4thblade: you going ham has gotten them three kills this game so far Lyns4thblade: we can still win this Lyns4thblade: its not hard Lyns4thblade: i just need items Lyns4thblade: whyd you stay... Lyns4thblade: holy hell Lyns4thblade: thsi games a shit show Lyns4thblade: why not just hit tower bro Lyns4thblade: it was free Lyns4thblade: you stayed too long behind tower Lyns4thblade: whatever its gg Lyns4thblade: i can't with this game Lyns4thblade: sucha shit show Lyns4thblade: udyr toxic for the first ten minutes, brings whole team down. Lyns4thblade: like Lyns4thblade: no wonder I lose elo Lyns4thblade: fuck sakes Lyns4thblade: sigh Lyns4thblade: why are you ap mao? not flaming just asking. Is that a thing? Lyns4thblade: sigh Lyns4thblade: elo still matters in preseason mao Lyns4thblade: if you dont care Lyns4thblade: play norms Lyns4thblade: btw folks we can still win this, just gotta stick together. Lyns4thblade: sigh Lyns4thblade: if we stay in base Lyns4thblade: we can Lyns4thblade: and just defend Lyns4thblade: preseason is such a shit show Lyns4thblade: lol Lyns4thblade: fuck preseason ranked

You can't use chat, ever. I've trolled games non-stop for 3 months with no punishment and probably getting reported by 4 people each game. I was also playing quite a bit, like 8-10 games a day. No punishment, ever, at all. The moment I used chat to ask these people why they're cursing me out for 40 minutes I get a chat restriction. Riot is clueless to human behavior and has no way to control what actually matters in a game, gameplay. When you're feeling good play on one account, when you're feeling bad and want to curse some people out play on another account.

CrazFight 2 votes

Calling for reports isn't ban worthy btw people, tantram has said so himself. He said at most it could cause a chat restriction if it was excess calling for reports. Just throwing that out there.

Chermorg5 votes

Anything that can cause a chat restriction can cause up to a permanent ban. The level of punishment is based on both the severity and the frequency of the offense.

Lyns4thblade1 votes

but as far as frequency Like I said I am a mostly positive player in game... and i even have honours from my other games today to prove it. I feel like it should look at all of your games and take a percentage before giving a ban instead of just banning someone for one bad game. I have a high win rate and I take pride on that being because I dont lose hope and I try to throw water on the flame when peopel start getting heated in these situations. I feel liek i'm being punished when I am doing a lot less wrong than other people. I just want to play the game. If I get a perma chat ban then thats fine. Whatever. But not being able to play this game with friends and stuff for 14 days is super perturbing for me. a lot of my closest friends are on league.

Modi3 votes

So, for being mostly positive, you were mostly not banned.

ModUlanopo2 votes

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Calling for reports isn't ban worthy btw people, tantram has said so himself. He said at most it could cause a chat restriction if it was excess calling for reports. Just throwing that out there.

Tantram didn't say that at all. The official word on report begging is that it can be considered harassment and can lead to sanctions against your account. He also said it's completely unnecessary because ONE REPORT = ONE REVIEW. This means your report is everything needed to bring that player to the attention of the IFS.

Tenth Leper2 votes

I would not have elected to punish over a game like this. Do remember not to call for or threaten with reports though.

Lyns4thblade2 votes

I wont do that anymore. I didn't even know that was such an issue I thought more reports meant the person had higher chance of getting banned. That udyr really deserved to be banned. He called us "%%%gots" multiple times this game. So you can see why I got so angry and yet I still tried to stay positive through my frustration.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Did you have chat restrictions prior to this?

Lyns4thblade1 votes

I had a chat restriction like 4 months ago but since I make sure I dont say anything negetive or barely anything negetive if I can help it. I honestly had so many honours in different games today too. I try to make the game fun and keep hope alive in all of my games if I can but I can still get tilted sometimes too like everyone can. I just dont feel this ban is justified.

ModUlanopo1 votes

I had a chat restriction like 4 months ago

It takes an average of three months to go down a punishment level. If you were being a little more choppy than average, you could have had that chat restriction still on your record, which meant the next step was the 14-day.

It's important to remember you don't travel up the "punishment volcano" by being more and more toxic. You get moved to the next tier because continuing the behavior that got you banned demonstrates a statistical unwillingness to reform.

Lyns4thblade1 votes

This game was a pretty negative game for me honestly. but You can see I tried to defend blitzcrank and I tried to stop udyr from flaming too still no matter how tilted I got. I'm pretty sure udyr is the one who reported me. But I dont feel the insta ban based on report thing works very well and I feel that the tribunal should still be the way people get banned. I never got banned in the last 5 seasons. I've always tried to have a good attitude, with the acception of the occasional bad game. But everyone gets tilted sometimes and honestly if you saw my chat logs for all of my games today, I am a high percentage positive player and try to keep the fun alive when tensions are high in league. (as we all know they can be).

Friendly Ram1 votes

good luck on getting a red to look at this.

Lyns4thblade1 votes

thank you.

forist1 votes

I agree with ya man, 14 days is way too harsh for a one time offense. I used some offensive language in one of my games yesterday and got the same 14 day ban, so I really do feel your pain. This type of punishment seems quite extreme to me.

Lyns4thblade2 votes

I'm glad you agree. Like I said I wouldn't even be opposed to taking a perma chat ban on this account. I just want to play the game. I dont care about chatting I just believe that positive thoughts can help the team moral so I try to always say we can still win and youre doing fine even if I dont think so or if I think its gg I know I said "its gg" a couple times that game but I was just so fed up with udyr being so toxic all game.

forist2 votes

That's admirable, but you really shouldn't have to make concessions when its obvious that something is fundamentally wrong with their new automatic ban system and how quickly it escalates this preseason. I just don't see the logic in a zero tolerance policy when there will always be good players who make a mistake every once in a while.

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

Asking for a report is banworthy for it takes the form of harassment and negativity. I was personally told by a Riot Players Behavior Specialists member that asking for reports is a flag worthy behavior. Also, in this person case, it wasn't only because he asked for a report, he show a very neagtive reaction to his team. And yes, he made some good comments, but it doesn't ever overshadow the negative.

The thing about the League of Legends chat is that it's meant for friendly conversation, strategies, and positive constructive feedbacks. But keep saying this like "this game is gg" "it's over", insulting players for their attitude, and showing no interest in winning because the teammates aren't playing how they want them to.

Personally, as a player like many, I do get upset in game. I do end up seeing the game as a loss. BUT. I will never say these things in chat. I will never show that I give up in a game so it doesn't bite me back. I never say, "gg it's over" or anything similar to show that I want to give up. I do try, and I always try to keep a positive mind. But if all is lost, and my team is being negative, I never get myself involve in it. I don't ever say anything that could trigger a negative reaction from my teammates.

Negativity1 votes

Elo does not matter in preseason, don't be fooled. But not an excuse to troll either, but riot is been very strict with harassment in the last year or so. The idea if you're tilted is to mute I have to all the time. Some meta slave player flamed me for my Sona mid that got me to diamond and beyond, insta mute he's junk he don't know anything no reason to see his chat :)

Sorin Alucard1 votes

Everyone telling you why it happened is correct. The probably got you for asking for reports.

Although I vote your punishment is extreme and unnecessary

Ravana7291 votes

You deserved this ban. For many reasons. Swearing, negative attitude, telling to report someone....abusers are always oblivious. I wouldn't have reported this myself but you clearly deserved it.

Lyns4thblade1 votes

Maybe I deserved "a" ban, but not a 14 day suspension. especially considering the fact that i've checked the other guys matches since and hes been playing without penalty for the last two weeks while I haven't been able too. Sorry, but the fact that someone who was hatefully speaking to people and calling awful derogatory terms so often and frequently that game didn't get even a day suspension and I got 14 is a little ridiculous. I understand what Riot is trying to do with this new system and I respect them for trying to make their community better. But I feel the punishment should meet the crime and I don't feel 14 days is suited to what I said this game. I feel that someone should still be reading entire chat logs including other players than the player in question for a ban in the game in question before choosing a punishment, because honestly the person who was getting me so tilted in this game was more toxic and hurtful that game than i've ever been, yet they're still playing daily, and probably ruining games for countless other players. While I sit here not able to play in pre-season on my account for two weeks. YEs I do agree I was negative and maybe deserved a day or two suspension for being that way. I am going to avoid saying anything negative in the future in any game and just resort to muting people like him. but the fact that he's still able to play with that attitude and those hateful words he was saying. Not okay riot. That's just my opinion. maybe it doesn't matter because i had a bad game and got heated when someone was saying those incredibly hurtful things, but its still valid if you ask me and should be addressed because I doubt i'm the only person this is happening to. I am just one of the few willing to have a voice about it.

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