Permabanned After A Single Game With No Bad Language Or Flame

duvey·Oct 19, 2019·4 votes·3,281 views

Game 1 Pre-Game duvey: Wow duvey: Everyone's so scared of Shaco now. duvey: Lol duvey: Yeah, but he's not good for randos duvey: He's still only good for people who play him a lot duvey: But yeah, 9/10 times if someone's picking Shaco, they either one trick him or play him a ton. duvey: So I guess banning him out while he's strong isn't a bad idea. Lol. duvey: But if you just picked him up like you might Garen on a strong patch, you'd just feed your ass off. duvey: Sucks though. duvey: I one trick him and I've only played him in 1 of my last 4 gmaes. In-Game

All of this is just rando banter with the enemy team. Nothing toxic.

duvey: Hey duvey: Whoever banned shaco duvey: Frick you duvey: :( duvey: I haven't got to play my clown since 9.20 dropped. duvey: I just wanna enjoy the buffs he deserved. duvey: Lol duvey: I called that duvey: Everytime he gets buffed duvey: He gets nerfed in the next patch duvey: Shaco's not op, though duvey: IT's just that everyone who plays him duvey: Has like, a thousand games on him duvey: lmao duvey: nobody just randomly picks him up

Actual game chat

duvey: what? duvey: That range was insane, wtf? duvey: Also, Lux Veig no f

Khazix has been bot 3 times and our Twitch is 0-3

duvey: There's no point duvey: We have no jungler duvey: YEah, because they literalljust flash duvey: Awesome duvey: Twitch is just trolling duvey: And blaming everyone else

Khazix is sitting in a warded bush and Twitch walks up without autoing and just dies. He was obviously running it down

duvey: And now he's inting duvey: Lmao duvey: That was the most obvious trolling ever.

I'm getting flamed by my mid and jungler for having as much CS as the ADC as support Neeko. I had that CS because Twitch was literally dead on cooldown and it's dumb to think I'm supposed to just let it die just because my AD is dying constantly and is never in lane. That's just insane.

duvey: Yeah duvey: Because my ad is never in lane duvey: Because he's always dead duvey: You think I'm just supposed to sit there and not CS when he can never get it? duvey: That's dumb duvey: lmao duvey: Zero vi ganks in 10 mins duvey: 4 kha ganks duvey: nice duvey: wonder why bot's losing duvey: yeah duvey: my vision score keeps us from getting camped

Literally the only inflamatory think I say here is "shut up" because our mid laner and jungler has been spam pinging and raging in chat literally all game and losing their minds.

duvey: shut up duvey: jesus duvey: this is why you people are hardstuck gold duvey: nope duvey: Lmao duvey: They think I'm taking ADC's farm duvey: When in reality duvey: He's just dead all the time

Ekko has literally not stopped crying about the team this entire game.

duvey: LMAO duvey: Ekko crying about EVERYTHING duvey: how sad duvey: You cry about me coming mid duvey: You cry about me going bot duvey: you just cry

Twitch complaining that he keeps dying every time he goes bot.

duvey: then stop going bot duvey: iof you keep dying duvey: I don't know if that's rocket science Post-Game duvey: Hmm duvey: That gold macro duvey: "Hey, we're severely down like 10k gold and they have 4 fed carries? What should we do?" duvey: "I know! Let's 4v4 at dragon!" duvey: Lol

Don't you dare tell me that Riot's permaban system isn't 100% automated by a robot and is somehow this game was looked over by a live human being who thought this was permaban material.

There is no second game here, by the way. https://imgur.com/83cr22H.png

This is literally the only game I've played. What the fuck, Riot? There is no such thing as "manual review". This ban was performed by a bot and I demand an actual human being look over this.

59 Comments

HotarµOct 19, 201911 votes

So, first and foremost, have you had any prior punishments before? Generally speaking, the only way to be permanently banned (for a game like this) is by having a track record of breaking the rules in the past.

If you haven't had any prior punishments before, file a support ticket because it seems this was made in error if that is the case.

If you did run through the punishment ladder in the past (10 game chat restriction, 25 game chat restriction, and a 14-day gameplay suspension) I can see this game warranting a permanent ban. On your 14-day suspension reform card it clearly states that "Any continued negativity will result in a permanent ban." This includes things like arguing with your teammates all game and insulting players for their rank, calling them trolls, and saying you "have no jungler":

duvey: There's no point duvey: We have no jungler duvey: YEah, because they literalljust flash duvey: Awesome duvey: Twitch is just trolling duvey: And blaming everyone else duvey: shut up duvey: jesus duvey: this is why you people are hardstuck gold duvey: nope

There is more to negativity than just using keywords. Saying "fuck" is negative, spending all game making passive-aggressive or directly insulting comments is negative as well.

duveyOct 19, 20191 votes

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HotarµOct 19, 20197 votes

Sorry I didn't give my 4 teammates blowjobs mid-game to rejuvenate their spirits! You're right, maybe I should have paid their car insurance or student loans! Perhaps I could have offered instead to pay for their counseling that they clearly need. Would that be more positive for you? Probably not. You and Riot would find some way to think that's toxic and ban it anyways.

The rules are simple. You don't have to give them "blowjobs mid-game", you don't have to cozy up to them, you don't have to be their best friend.

You just have to not flame them.

You ignored the multiple warnings you received and continued to break the rules. Whether you agree with them or not is ultimately irrelevant, you had ample time to adjust your behavior accordingly and you chose not to do so.

duveyOct 19, 20192 votes

Why am I even talking to a "Riot Can Never Do Anything Wrong Ever" kind of person?

JuleviOct 19, 20194 votes

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Why am I even talking to a "Riot Can Never Do Anything Wrong Ever" kind of person?

Honest question: why do you even bother talking about your concern here? You still seem quite upset and greet people here, normal players who would like to help you and discuss things civilized, with sarcasm, a negative attitude and much more. Need a place to vent? Feel free to use the rant subboard. But first of all take a deep breath. Even if we (= people who agree with the ban) share different points of view we could give each other benefical feedback and have a decent discussion.

HotarµOct 19, 20194 votes

Except... that's not the kind of person I am. I take issue with some of the things Riot does (both gameplay and punishment-system wise) and I'm never afraid to voice those concerns. I tell it like it is, for better or for worse.

Generalize if you want to, call me biased, whatever you want to do man. Doesn't change the fact that the rules were simple to follow and you ignored the multiple chances you were given.

Have a great day. 👍

JuleviOct 19, 20194 votes

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Your own fucking company doesn't even follow these rules against negativity. They literally just settled last year to like a dozen female Rioters for harassing them.

Hotarµ is a regular player like you and me. Neither specialists nor moderators on this boards are employees of Riot - so, it's not their company at all.

duveyOct 19, 20191 votes

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MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20193 votes

see here you going trying to insult , flame

just cuz you dont agree with what is being told to you

duveyOct 19, 20191 votes

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MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20194 votes

so why do you think constantly trying to insult and flame others regarding your ban for flaming is going to prove you arent ban worthy?

and if you truly feel you are banned wrongly then submit a support ticket asking for a review. if it is in error it will get reverted.

but you have yet to own up to how long ago you had a 14 day ban and havent denied that you received a 14 day ban

League of LepersOct 19, 20197 votes

{quoted} Don't you dare tell me that Riot's permaban system isn't 100% automated by a robot

Their system is ran by a bot. Noone denies this. But, it is a machine learning tool that is exceptionally more accurate than any human ever would be.

There was plenty of stuff in your chat that was toxic behavior. Despite the fact that someone else may have started it does not excuse you from retaliating. If you simply mute the trolls and do not retaliate you do not get in trouble. And you know as well as I do that this was not your first offense. You have been warned before and did not learn your lesson.

Now that you understand that you will be banned regardless of whether you feel that your teammates deserved to be yelled at, you can start a new account and do it right this time.

duveyOct 19, 20193 votes

If you legitimately believe that anything in this is ban worthy, you are 100% the problem with modern gaming culture and should never play video games with other people ever.

You are a toxic cesspool where any valid criticism is met with rage and bawling tears that you just can't bear to hear from your teammates when you're playing the game poorly.

Also, I'm a software engineer and I study machine learning, and the worst possible tasks for machine learning to tackle is contextual analysis, where a machine tries to identify the "intent" of a phrase or word. They're bad at it. Horrible. Absolutely dogshit and almost malicious in their intent. It's the reason why bots should never be banning people in any game ever.

League of LepersOct 19, 20192 votes

You know...I do happen to be a software engineer myself with a Bachelor's of Science in Computer Engineering Technology. Not trying to gloat, but you brought up the subject.

I understand how machine learning works and it works very, very, well. Reports were initially handled by people and those reports were passed into a machine learning program to determine what is acceptable. They are not malicious in intent unless the designers programmed them that way. If you believe the bot is out to get you, then take it up with Riot.

And no, I do not believe that this incident by itself is banworthy. This incident along with all of the preexisting incidents that you are not mentioning however, is banworthy.

[Edit] By the way, if I am the one that cannot handle criticism and is crying, then how come I still have my account and you don't?

duveyOct 19, 20192 votes

how come I still have my account and you don't?

Lmao, because you don't even play the game. You've played 12 games in the last month of ARAM and Normals.

Really hard to get banned from a game you don't play. What a joke.

And if you actually knew how machine learning worked, you know that training an algorithm in isolation of every other person's chat logs means that the machine can never learn contextual clues that differentiate flame from banter, an extremely fine line. But the fact that when your chat logs are shown back to you, you only receive your own, we can reasonably assume that's how Riot is formatting the data set for training.

It's for this reason that Riot have not only created a terrible toxicity bot, but they've created one that maliciously targets anyone who types more than 10 lines in a game because it lacks any ability to create a context for the speech and determine whether it's actual flame or just harmless criticism.

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20191 votes

i have 4 accounts and most likely over 10k games played across those accounts

i have only had on chat restriction and i have played since season 2

i earned that chat restriction it was my fault

but just cuz that persons account dont have a lot of games played dont mean they dont have other accounts

League of LepersOct 19, 20191 votes

I have had an account and played on and off regularly since Season 3, typically playing around 200 rift games per year (not counting ARAMS). So yes, I do not play the game super consistently, but I have played at least 2000 games of league and have never even had a chat restriction. The most I have ever received was a warning that I was reported that amounted to nothing.

And once again your comment about the algorithm being in isolation shows that you believe toxic behavior is warranted in some circumstances. It is not warranted in ANY circumstances regardless of how toxic the rest of your team is.

(And I have had a couple of other accounts as well)

Magnesium14Oct 19, 20192 votes

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League of LepersOct 19, 20191 votes

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Tuition FeeOct 19, 20195 votes

You insulted your jungler, called someone out for "inting" and flame Ekko for "Crying". While I agree this is not perma ban-worthy assuming you were only toxic during this game, I'm going to assume you were punished before?

24JackBauer24Oct 19, 20191 votes

I think the punishment gets upgraded to perma ban if there was an infringement or report on you previously. unless this player violated a few rules in this one game severely.

duveyOct 19, 20191 votes

That's not how it works at all. And if it is, that means that anyone I report in-game will be banned instantly by the automated system, since around 75% of all League players have been at least 2-week banned at some point.

I have no idea how thin skinned you have to be to defend this as a banning. For real? You need to stay off the internet if valid criticism is going to make you clutch your pearls.

Tuition FeeOct 19, 20194 votes

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That's not how it works at all. And if it is, that means that anyone I report in-game will be banned instantly by the automated system, since around 75% of all League players have been at least 2-week banned at some point.

I have no idea how thin skinned you have to be to defend this as a banning. For real? You need to stay off the internet if valid criticism is going to make you clutch your pearls

When you post on player behavior boards, usually you're here to ask for people to analyze and help you figure out why you were banned. If not, post this on rants.

The irony of this statement is that you're the one getting offended when I'm giving you reasons as to why this ban may have happened, although I even agreed that this is an unfair ban provided it's your first time being punished.

As for your first point, this is how it works. If you're toxic, Riot bans you. Also, your claim that 75% of the playerbase has received a two week ban appears to wildly differ from actual polls.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/bt1kgr/poll_have_you_ever_been_banned_from_league_of/ https://www.strawpoll.me/2690628/r

duveyOct 19, 20191 votes

50% is so much more different from 75%, right. When half of all players in League have been banned at some point, maybe it's not a problem with your community, but the horrible way it's managed.

MyrmironOct 19, 20191 votes

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When you post on player behavior boards, usually you're here to ask for people to analyze and help you figure out why you were banned. If not, post this on rants.

The irony of this statement is that you're the one getting offended when I'm giving you reasons as to why this ban may have happened, although I even agreed that this is an unfair ban provided it's your first time being punished.

As for your first point, this is how it works. If you're toxic, Riot bans you. Also, your claim that 75% of the playerbase has received a two week ban appears to wildly differ from actual polls.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/bt1kgr/poll_have_you_ever_been_banned_from_league_of/ https://www.strawpoll.me/2690628/r

The "just a pop up"-option is irrelevant because these pop ups do literally nothing and only indicate that you got reported for your last game.

League of LepersOct 19, 20195 votes

{quoted} since around 75% of all League players have been at least 2-week banned at some point.

That is silly. The MASS majority of league players have never received a suspension at all. I have never even received a chat restriction. And when you report someone a flag is signaled to the automated system to check your chat logs for that game. Even if everybody reports you it does not change the outcome. The outcome is determined by the decision of the automated system.

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20194 votes

so you just had a two week ban how long ago ?

duveyOct 19, 20191 votes

Doesn't matter. This isn't even chat restrict worthy. It's the fact that a bot processed this and just auto banned any account who typed more than 20 lines during a game.

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20195 votes

you can argue that it dont matter but it does

if you recently have came off a 14 day ban any infraction as minor as it may be will result in perma banned

so once again how long ago did you have a 14 day ban?

duveyOct 19, 20191 votes

This isn't even an infraction so even if I game off a 14-day and this was the first game back, it wouldn't be banned.

There is nothing in my logs that is inflammatory. I do not ever once criticize them as people, but I do criticize their behavior, something I'm 100% within my rights to do. Note I criticize and not flame them. I didn't call them dogshit. I didn't even call them bad. You can defend the stance all you want but you're just wrong.

And anyone who agrees with you is equally so.

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20195 votes

flaming isnt ok in any terms

why dont people understand this?

and it does matter that you have been punished for breaking rules to receive a 14 day ban . after that you flamed in this game. maybe if you never had the 14 day ban would you got banned? most likely not. but you have proven to riot that you are a toxic player who wont reform therefore based on your behavior history riot banned you.

you have no one to blame but yourself.

arguing with me wont help.

No life virginOct 19, 20191 votes

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MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20191 votes

ok so you think its ok to tell me to go kill myself ?

SukishooOct 19, 20193 votes

Actually it DOES matter. If you were just previously two week banned, generally in the past month or so anything you say or do that is seen as negative WILL absolutely trigger a permaban.

LęmonOct 19, 20192 votes

why is this getting downvoted..? I dont understand?? You literally weren't that much of an ass?? sure the "you just cry" part wasn't like g r e a t but seriously?? perma ban???? riots ban system is shit...sorry dude

all the arguing,,people get so upset over nothing on the boards. It doesn't effect them yet they find the need to make themselves right.

I dont know your ban history, or whatever but sorry dude. Sucks.

TheCrazyBoyOct 19, 20191 votes

they not understand , as riot don't understand ,that is rubbish to ban people 140 years for such chat logs... , rip in peperoni for any guy who will dare to say something slightly negative after 14 days.. , they just ban people without sense ,while there are people who are much more toxic never got banned or detected.

LęmonOct 19, 20191 votes

I agree, Ive said WAYYYYY worse things and bruhhh not even a chat bannnnn

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20193 votes

yea , alot of people have.

however what is being missed here is HISTORY OF BEHAVIOR

if you recently come off a 14 day ban for whatever reason the next infraction even the slightest results in a perma ban.

now as far as context to this as posted by the OP , as a stand alone offense should it be punished? would it be punished? no, most likely not. and i agree to that. no debate this isnt that bad at all.

but once your account has been flagged for multiple punishments, and last was a recent 14 day ban the next infraction as small as it is will result in what happen here.

im not for it or against it. its just what it is. and that is what i was explaining to the OP in my comments. yes in this chat he is flaming. not overly bad or that toxic but it is flame non the less

LęmonOct 20, 20191 votes

Ive been 14 day banned twice, ive had 3 10 game chat restricts (on my third) and a 25. Sooo,,

Imperial PandaaOct 20, 20191 votes

He forgot to mentions it is possible to drop back down the tiers with enough games between punishments; but the general point remains that if you go through the system eventually you can be permad.

LęmonOct 20, 20191 votes

I understand

TheCrazyBoyOct 20, 20191 votes

i was 3 months out of problems , without to have any past issues ... , even i control myself as much in those uncommon situation full of stress , i can assure you that someone else woulded over react if he woulded be in my place to have the pleasure of playing that game i played last time ,before i get permanent banned , and is not just that , there are 2 games chat logs , and the 2 nd game chat log have again non sense chat logs... , is just super super bad what they pull punishments for.

And you think they should ban for almost no offenses people 140 years... , after 3 months and after i touch honor lv 1 , they never decreased my punishment level , neither in past , considering i was doing my best to learn to keep my patience under control in most stressful games you could deal with... , is just non sense how they push stronger punishments against you , and ignore the fact you don't go after just a few days to flame ,if there are 2 or 3 months between your last punishment , or even under 6 months... , you still get punished stronger , and is a fact , i can proof that... , is too simple , try of yourself to see how broken it is this system ... .

It's an abuse on the fact that they pushing punishments stronger and stronger ,while there are 4-5 punishments only , and then they ban you permanent even if you did stayed most of your time positive and neutral , is not alright , and is not something what riot should push to do... , is not like is my fault that from time to time , i have stressful games which brokes my powers to tolerate others toxicity and missgameplay in past... , cause right now i am almost cured about everything else , but thurst me i haven't become a better man or player , i become something worse , and i am not proud and don't feel like i should be so , but Riot spended them attention to make me so a horrible person.

MrFawknSunshineOct 20, 20191 votes

well after some time, there is no known set time/games your punishment level does drop. and you dont auto get perma banned the next punishment. but there has to be a good amount time/games of no infractions of what so ever.

the punishment system is how it is cuz that is what the community as a whole has been crying for. they want stricter enforcement cuz people are tired of the toxicity of the game. riot follows what the community wants.

you changing to a worst person cuz you got banned for your own behavior is a issue with you not riot.

its like saying a criminal who finally gets prison for all of his crimes instead of fines and slaps on the wrist saying that he became a worst person for being in prison.

being reformed and changing comes from yourself.

NyarlathοtepOct 19, 20191 votes

What the actual fuck. Getting perma with no 0 tolerance words from a single game? I mean i knew riot's support is bad but NOT that bad. Sorry to hear that mate i hope you get some justice.

duveyOct 19, 20191 votes

It's because Riot implemented an automated system that auto bans after 3 reports. It doesn't look at chat, it doesn't look at deaths, a human being never looks at this game ever. In spite of Riot constantly lying for years about customer service people always looking over bans before issuing them. It just sees 3 reports and instantly bans, chat restricts, whatever.

It's abuseable and broken.

I've already opened a ticket to get this looked at by a human. This is absolutely disgusting negligence on the part of Riot and I can't wait until they fail as a company with their failing markets and diving stocks. Or at very least NA finally crashes into the ground and Tencent takes the broken remains back to China and keeps their communist paws out of western gaming forever.

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20194 votes

yea nothing can be further from the truth.

duveyOct 19, 20191 votes

As someone who has mass reported and gotten banned plenty of people, I can tell you that's 100% how it works.

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20193 votes

that is how you assume it works.

Sasca77Oct 19, 20191 votes

I've talked to a rioter ab my ban and was told this from a rioter " https://gyazo.com/b27766aacdd490b01ca825793215aacb " so basically if you aren't completely focused on the game you can be banned

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20193 votes

no what it says and means if you arent using chat in a positive way to try to win the game then it can be consider negative and can result in punishment