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17 Permabanned Accounts

duvey··5 votes·2,439 views

You know, at this point I wear my permabanned accounts on my chest like a badge of honor. Teaching hardstuck gold and plat players what it's like to be in high elo is the first step to turning bad players into good players.

See, in spite of Riot's claims that only 0.006% of all players have ever been permanently banned, that real statistic is probably closer to 15% of all current League players have been permabanned at some point.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/bt1kgr/poll_have_you_ever_been_banned_from_league_of/

It's not a scientific study, but it's a general survey of the active League community about 7 months ago. Accounting for some error, we can be reasonably conservative by saying about 15% of all players have been permanently banned at some point.

But what's the remission rate of permanently banned players? Surely only a tiny, tiny percent every get banned a secon- No, 57% of all permabanned players get permabanned again. Lmao. So much for players learning their lesson.

2% of the entire league community has been banned on 10+ accounts. That's kind of funny. With 17 banned accounts I'm not even in the 1% at 20+ banned accounts yet. Yikes.

Why does Riot not show the actual statistics? Probably because it highlights just how toxic Riot's punishment system is and the fact that at any time, almost 1/5 players will have their accounts basically deleted.

Now, why does this happen? Shouldn't players learn from their mistakes and see the error of their ways? Well, that's not how it works. You see. Riot employs a very, very simple bot that looks at your chat. Picks out restricted words and the volume of your chat (anything more than 5 to 10 lines of chat is usually enough to set it off) and then checks to see if someone on your team reported you. Key being someone on your team, because no matter how much you report an enemy, it won't do anything because you might be reporting them for beating you in lane.

If these criteria are met, then your account gets suspended. Most banned players usually don't find their bannings fair or rational in any human capacity. Usually because they're not and any normal human that is reading the chat logs in context would understand that usually the person getting banned is not at fault for anything. Riot is wrong to ban these people and they want vindication. So they turn to the forums for help, which the white knights of the forums who defend Riot to the death and will staunchly lynch anyone who has anything critical to say about their overlords and chalk it up to "you must be in the wrong because Riot banned you" and thus, resentment is born.

Resentment not only for Riot's flawed system and unjust bans, but resentment against the community of entitled children who covet grand delusions of a perfect company, conveniently blocking out the multiple harassment lawsuits or labor violations from employees. You know, anything that makes their perfect game developer look as bad as they really are. You can't cover up shit with millions of dollars in fancy songs and VFX and it not still be shit, although Riot is certainly trying.

And so, that lad who thought that Zed simply needed to know how bad he really was, is now a beacon of toxicity who will make a new account or buy them (like a normal person does) and feels even less remorse for telling the next bad player in his game what he's really feeling. Each and every account compounding into a well-honed instrument of flame.

Here we are. 17 accounts. And here's to 17 more. I'll have a little celebration when I hit 20 accounts and another one when I hit 23 accounts to commemorate surpassing the late, great Tyler1, may he rest in peace. Who's legacy bore the rise of 22 permabanned accounts over the years.

Now, I'm not some unreasonable, hellish guise of a man who sits on the internet borne only to spew hate and vitriol. I'm not known to be impatient or even generally a mean spirited or standoffish person. I don't search the waters to procure a list of grievances like a Boomer hunting for a reason to kick and scream like a toddler for a discount on their $7 combo meal from McDonalds. I'm not sad or depressed or even harbor any internal chagrin that influences my behavior. I don't hold grudges or even remember people's names or faces 5 seconds after meeting them, especially online.

I'm just like anyone else. Someone you might even know. Hell, we might even be friends and you have no idea. Someone pleasant to talk to with a quick wit and sharp tongue who doesn't mind a bit of banter. But that's what scares people around here. They want to pretend every toxic person on the internet is some horrid, sad shell of a human being who lives their lives in a shadow of malice and spite, searching for any reason to belittle or mock someone.

In reality, me, like most other "toxic" players in League, are just quick to speak our minds. If we have a problem, we'll let you know and then we've already forgotten about it. We deal with our problems the moment their pop up and then we're done. We don't let you know in the nicest way all the time, nor are we obligated to. Sometimes we'll call you a "fucking idiot" and should expect you to have the common sense to understand what we mean. But the key point is that once we air our grievances, we already feel better.

See, the real toxic people isn't us, who get our problems off of our chest immediately and then let it go. It's the people like the bulk of the forums and twitter who hear these criticisms and latch onto them, letting them fester and grow into hatred. If I tell you to stop playing like an idiot, it's probably because you're playing like an idiot. You let these words consume you for hours after a game is over. And there's truly nothing more toxic than someone who holds petty grudges over criticism.

The person who latches onto every word or subtext and lets it build up into a festering cyst of malignant rancor. That's the truly toxic person. The toxic little shit who spams report on everyone who doesn't bow and praise them.

And you will never, ever hear me feel sorry for driving away players like that. I consider it a public service and hope people continue quitting League because of me. Because if my flame offends you so horrendously, then maybe the memes about kids these days not being able to handle Xbox Live lobbies is right.

Maybe you shouldn't be playing games online.

Maybe just uninstall the game.

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AeroWaffle7 votes

If you have a problem with a simple rule such as remaining civil maybe you shouldn't be playing games online.

Maybe just uninstall the game.

And you will never, ever hear me feel sorry for driving away players like that. I consider it a public service and hope people continue quitting League because of me.

Then you're going to have to accept that those that want civility in their games is never going to feel sorry for any of your perma'ed accounts or your opinion that you should be allowed to misbehave without repercussions. That you're claiming that you wear the banned accounts like badges of honor only reinforces that sentiment.

Riot is not going to change that rule just because you feel like it's perfectly acceptable to insult someone.

No, it's not likely that someone like you would be a friend with me. There are certain qualities and ideologies that result in two people simply disliking each other regardless of the other qualities. Mostly because those qualities and ideologies reflect on their outlook on life and how they treat others.

duvey2 votes

{quoted} Mostly because those qualities and ideologies reflect on their outlook on life and how they treat others.

Be careful. You're likely to pull something if you reach that hard.

And, honestly? I don't really care if Riot changes their system. White knights like you will exist always. Lmao. Fresh level 30's are $7 a pop. I can do this forever.

AeroWaffle6 votes

{quoted}

Be careful. You're likely to pull something if you reach that hard.

And, honestly? I don't really care if Riot changes their system. White knights like you will exist always. Lmao. Fresh level 30's are $7 a pop. I can do this forever.

You're proving my point with that sort of response. It's not just your decision to show no remorse for others in-game that would prevent you and me from getting along. That decision can only come from the character qualities that would find such a decision perfectly acceptable.

duvey2 votes

Ah, yes, because having a short, witty response in the internet must certainly mean that I am a sad, hollow, hateful shell of a human being who serves no purpose other than to make everyone in my life feel bad about themselves.

I would point you toward a Google search for "the psychology of competition" but I doubt you'd really care to understand how people ACTUALLY work and not how you think they should work.

AeroWaffle5 votes

{quoted}

Ah, yes, because having a short, witty response in the internet must certainly mean that I am a sad, hollow, hateful shell of a human being who serves no purpose other than to make everyone in my life feel bad about themselves.

Hey, if you want to think of yourself that way feel free. But I don't remember describing you that way.

duvey1 votes

I find it hilariously on-color that someone like you would run out of ideas for a witty response and literally devolve to, "I know you are but what am I?" replies.

AeroWaffle5 votes

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I find it hilariously on-color that someone like you would run out of ideas for a witty response and literally devolve to, "I know you are but what am I?" replies.

You're the one that is describing how you think other people view you. I never made that description. You did. I simply stated that you decision to act the way that you do is a result of your character. It would be unlikely I would find myself being friends with someone that would find such decisions acceptable.

If you think that pointing it out is somehow a childish insult, well, you're wrong. People are going to dislike each other because of different character traits. The hypocrisy of this whole situation is while you're insisting that you're getting demonized you choose to demonize others.

The opinion that you should be allowed to insult others in league games at your leisure is just that. An opinion.

When you boil it down, the ultimate decision is with Riot and will remain with Riot. And there's nothing here that is likely to change that decision. If you can't accept their ruling, well, you're free to not play or accept that you might be held responsible for breaking the rules.

duvey2 votes

{quoted} If you can't accept their ruling, well, you're free to not play or accept that you might be held responsible for breaking the rules.

I don't recall ever begging to be unbanned or complaining that my bans were unjust. I'm already a lost cause. I will never change. But that doesn't necessarily mean that other people deserve this fate all due to a broken system calling them toxic when they're not.

AeroWaffle6 votes

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I don't recall ever begging to be unbanned or complaining that my bans were unjust. I'm already a lost cause. I will never change. But that doesn't necessarily mean that other people deserve this fate all due to a broken system calling them toxic when they're not.

If your bans were just and you were already a lost cause, who's to say that a vast majority of the other cases doesn't also fall into that category?

The pressure and annoyance of an extremely team-orientated game such as league leads to more players misbehaving (simply because they let their emotions control their actions more). League is not going to be less team-orientated any time soon so this isn't going to change. The negative affects of people acting like assholes wont change either.

In the end Riot is presented with people who are actively driving away customers with their behavior alone. Changing the tension of the game isn't an feasible option because it's the game type that makes it tense. Letting those players run loose unrestricted isn't an option either because that would just cause the game to hemorrhage players, many more than perma-bans would push away.

So once it gets to the point where Riot believes a player wont behave themselves no matter what punishment is issued, it's time to start encouraging them to go elsewhere.

The best method Riot has is to perma-ban the account, losing all progress and content accumulated on it. Does this prevent a player from coming back? No, of course not. But it does discourage some players from coming back because not everyone is willing to start from scratch yet again after spending a lot of time unlocking things, knowing that it can easily happen again if they behave the same way they did before.

FrenchDragoon232 votes

You can legit get 5 botted accounts for 10 dollars all level 30.

CharDeeMcDenniz3 votes

when you grow up a bit you'll realize what a waste of your own time this was

FrenchDragoon232 votes

There is insults and there are times you just need to grow a thicker skin, feeling harrassed by mere words show how fragile you really are.

duvey1 votes

Couldn't have said it better myself.

floo6 votes

Why does Riot not show the actual statistics? Probably because it highlights just how toxic Riot's punishment system is..

Lost me there.

a) your sample size is skewed, far too few people and you're asking on a board where people who've been perma'd before complain/ask for help b) it's the players fault for not realizing they're making mistakes c) people like you have a mentality to come back regardless of punishment to "TeAcH a LeSsOn"

All of those make this thread nonsense.. if you're not an ass ingame you won't get banned either.

Jennifer171 votes

lets be fair. we all know its way more than 0.006%. that number is just impossible lol.

i checked google and the first link said ~ 80million unique accounts played in 2019. now check out "free lol accounts facebook" of some random turkish guy where in 2017 he posted a list of over 500.000 "hacked" accounts. by now all of them are permabanned.

do the math. thats alrdy WAAAAY above 0.006%.

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Nightsky Pirate3 votes

The vindication I feel reading something as thought out as this against the legion of white knights and the bot system, it must be what most witch hunters feel when they see some idiot getting punished. I'll take proper "you did it wrong" from someone who isn't just offended I didn't do things the way they wanted and gladly take an idiot comment to the groin if I learn something. Still, I don't care for the "it is my right to put people in their place however I want" attitude - but enough about my feelings on the OP.

Attack him all you want, but this is proof of the system being ineffective. If he doesn't ramble on with continuous insults, he's no worst 1%'er, the children slinging insults are more of an eyesore than someone with witty and accurate stings. Ya'll want civil games, but you're living in a dream world. League is still the #2 in the world and you're not going to help make behavior better overall with things like this. Toxicity can't be stopped, it's merely evolving and getting worse. There is a better way to work with people being toxic.

FrenchDragoon231 votes

The system just enables players to be more of a crybaby than they were originally. Try being a crybaby in the real world see how well you do out there.

Nightsky Pirate1 votes

I don't understand how this is a response to what I said, but there are plenty of people who have figured out their own ways to abuse systems and crybabies are among them. It's a small caveat, but I take some pleasure in foiling such attempts, and I'm not alone in that.

Might you be referring to the comment about people being unhappy with me not doing what they wanted? If so... (shrug)... If that was a more personal comment... (smirk) /ignore

duvey1 votes

In my opinion, it's painting every little grievance as "toxicity" that makes the community feel 100x worse than it is. When any little swear or criticism is met with uproarious spite and everyone immediately labels that person as "toxic" then you lump them into a larger collection of many groups of people. People they're now more likely to associate with since they've effectively become a pariah.

The person won't hate being called "toxic", they'll hate the person calling them toxic. And they'll take that spite and turn it into ownership. They'll command toxicity like a badge as much as I do because now they don't care about the opinions of the community. They're already outside of it.

And once you, as a game developer, make your players stop caring about their community, that's when their inhibitions are dropped. That's the point where someone who just got heated during a game turns into a truly toxic player who honestly doesn't care about the other 9 players in the game.

An avalanche of toxic players because of a broken system that labeled them toxic in the first place. 2 or 3 toxic players in the same game have now bred resentment of the community in the other players in the game, slowly but surely their opinions growing more and more hateful. Then to the point where, without even being banned, resent the community as much as the toxic players do. And now they too have become toxic.

It's a vicious cycle that keeps repeating and won't stop unless Riot takes ownership of their failures and fixes their system.

But I kind of doubt Riot would ever do that. Riot has never admitted to any current mistake. They always talk about their "mistakes" in an abstract sense. Something way in the distant past but painting a portrait of how they're currently doing everything right. Exactly the way they intended.

The fact that Aatrox hasn't been reverted in the face of the Assassin and Kog'Maw reverts is proof enough of that.

Nightsky Pirate1 votes

Almost sounds like you are a former employee of Riot. It seems you're already aware I'm untouched by punishment and bearing resentment for the punishment system. It's not personal- nobody I care about has been banned either as far as I know, but I can see how the system is changing the way people chat and behave in game.

You're right, I feel in a real sense I've become more toxic after spending too much time here. Strictly by the rules, however, so that my most foul wording is "don't be selfish", playing by the rules, without triggers. At first, I got better, but as I realized Riot and the white knights don't actually care about people... Which isn't universally true, but when their paragon of understanding is posting their relish in seeing someone punished on Christmas, it puts the nail in that coffin.

I suppose if whatever woman they let in charge of X as proof that they're not being sexist cares about toxicity, maybe the system will change. Basically I'm hoping for the enemy to FF or DC instead of trying to win in the traditional manner. Is there actually anything we can do? I've reached a few times, but I'm no corporate agent. I'm just a humble coffee shop manager.

GatekeeperTDS5 votes

There isn't "proof" of a goddamn thing here.

Nightsky Pirate1 votes

You're right, he could be making it up. I'm pretty sure there are people with 17+ accounts though, regardless of how honest he is.

Upgrades3 votes

So what are you trying to get out of this entire wall of text again? Basically asking if we got banned before or are you trying to show off how many banned accounts you have? I'm lost

[sg-zephyr]

Jamaree2 votes

One thing skewing your system is covered in the post already, most players don't use Reddit, or even the forums at that. The people who tend to shout the most are those angry fans so it is kind of messing with the numbers a bit.

duvey1 votes

So the only people who interact with the community are angry people? Do you REALLY think that's true or are you just painting a narrative that fits into your world view?

I actually have statistics to back up my 15% claims. You have nothing that says that redditors are any more toxic that people on the League boards or twitter or anywhere else, really. If it's skewed, then prove it and make it more accurate, but we both know even driving it down to 10% doesn't paint a much better picture of League.

I mean, do you really believe that 1 out of every 7 players you meet really should never play League ever again? Is it really that bad? I don't think so and Riot's ban system being so wildly out of line with actual player toxicity should warrant suspicion in its own right.

Jamaree1 votes

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So the only people who interact with the community are angry people? Do you REALLY think that's true or are you just painting a narrative that fits into your world view?

No, that isn't what I said at all, I said that is most people.

I actually have statistics to back up my 15% claims. You have nothing that says that redditors are any more toxic that people on the League boards or twitter or anywhere else, really.

When did I say they were toxic? Angry doesn't just imply toxic, it meets upset with the state of the game, the direction of the game, balance of certain champions etc.

Let's use you as an example, tell me something you like that has forums, some other game, do you go onto the forums and praise the developers and such or do you only make post when you are upset about the state of certain things?

People just tend to not complain or talk about things when they are happy with the state of things.

duvey1 votes

Well, Reddit doesn't function like a forum either. Would I go onto a normal game forum? Other than WoW? Maybe not. But if I'm scrolling through Reddit and something game related pops up, I might take an interest and look into the discussion, even though I was not browsing Reddit with any intention of having said discussion.

Stumbling into the discussions is what makes Reddit much more organic than the forums of the game where only 2 kinds of people lurk: 1) white knights who will defend X company and believe they can do no wrong. And 2) People who have a problem with X company.

If you don't know how Reddit works, maybe take some time to take a look at it and see how it differs from a normal community forum.

Jamaree1 votes

{quoted}

Well, Reddit doesn't function like a forum either. Would I go onto a normal game forum? Other than WoW? Maybe not. But if I'm scrolling through Reddit and something game related pops up, I might take an interest and look into the discussion, even though I was not browsing Reddit with any intention of having said discussion.

Stumbling into the discussions is what makes Reddit much more organic than the forums of the game where only 2 kinds of people lurk: 1) white knights who will defend X company and believe they can do no wrong. And 2) People who have a problem with X company.

If you don't know how Reddit works, maybe take some time to take a look at it and see how it differs from a normal community forum.

Yeah, that's my point though, most people are in those two camps when it comes to actually interacting on any kind of forums, it doesn't matter which one. It is very rare you will have post of just pure praise, or more importantly, saying good job to systems that they don't even realize are there because it doesn't affect most players. You yourself are saying that only two kinds of people really happen on forums, the white knights and the people with problems, do you see how that might slant the numbers a bit?

duvey1 votes

Again, you're ignoring the way people browse Reddit and yes, the way you traverse a feed is much different from perusing a specific game forum for conversations you want to join.

In Reddit, you can have any subreddit from any game or hobby or interest that you might have. So you're not browsing Reddit to make a statement, you're browsing because of your other subreddits who might entertain you, but you might see a post with a discussion that caught your attention.

Clearly a very, VERY different mindset and method of getting to a discussion than losing a game and then immediately running to the game's forums to rage about game balance.

Do people use Reddit for that? Sure, but the fact that there is a mix of both organically engaged people and people driven by some passion, means the statistics are likely much fairer there than they would be here. You have no organically drawn people here.

Jamaree3 votes

{quoted}

Again, you're ignoring the way people browse Reddit and yes, the way you traverse a feed is much different from perusing a specific game forum for conversations you want to join.

In Reddit, you can have any subreddit from any game or hobby or interest that you might have. So you're not browsing Reddit to make a statement, you're browsing because of your other subreddits who might entertain you, but you might see a post with a discussion that caught your attention.

Well, even in those post then, how often do you even post in general, or post about your general enjoyment of a thing or about things that you feel don't affect you is what I'm saying.

You have no organically drawn people here.

This part is just blantant untrue though, in hot you have, people talking about the player who just passed away, talking about meme interactions with other players they have, concerns about gameplay balance, complaints about being hardstuck, and then on reddit, and on Reddit hot, you have much the same, players talking about the passed away LCS player, meme interactions with other players, concerns about gameplay balance, complaints about matchmaking.

Hell, sort by new, and you will have some of the exact same post that are on these forums that are on Reddit, and vice versa, but now we are getting off topic. You are right, I don't fully understand how Reddit works, but I'm fairly sure you have to search for a trail of thing that match your interest whether they are positive or not, and talking about one's punishment is USUALLY reserved to people either A. affected by the system at all, or B. part of the subreddit who happened upon the post as it was going by in their feeds. My point is on all sides, people don't really proclaim they are happy with things especially if it doesn't affect them nor do they not interact with them, sure people will chime in, but people aren't going to go out of their way to search for concepts that don't pertain to them, it was unlikely that that post you linked even made it to hot seeing as it only got 98 upvotes in 7 months, the numbers are gonna be skewed because of it, sample size is also kind of small, but meph?

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