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10 game chat restriction?

Kedryn··4 votes·2,341 views

I feel that my chat log was taken out of context in the tribunal's decision.

Context: So my friend and I were having a competition where we see who can die the most times before the game ends. Using -15% deathtime runes I was able to gain the upperhand in previous games. But this game, he got enough IP for the deathtime runes. Thus begins my downfall and subsequent tilt. So I'm playing zilean and suicide bombing into the enemies (hence the allhu akbar (sic.)). He's playing the speedy hedgehog, rammus. Now at the final moments of the game, he was able to respawn faster than me and get his 22nd death, leading to my frustrating defeat with an uncharacteristically low 21 deaths. Also, I called teemo a schiesty jew (sic.) because his username was something along those lines.

Match History: http://i.imgur.com/05Xomjr.jpg

Chat Log: http://i.imgur.com/PkPyLIO.jpg

EDIT: Ok I've gotten a lot of both creative and not so creative (dare I say negative) feedback on this post. So to further clarify, when I say "rammus got 46 once," I'm referring to the record amount of deaths one of us was able to record in a standard game. Also, I added the "sincerely the politically correct gestapo" as a pejorative way of referring to the tribunal.

51 Comments

Illiad6 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown] You need an attitude adjustment holy, come back when you find common sense and decency. take this chat restriction as a lesson and learn from it instead of pouting

Bettnachleger2 votes

He is trolling. Of course he doesn't care.

FrankerX6 votes

"no fuck you %%%%%%" racism = permabann.

DrCyanide6 votes

Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't jump to 25-game restriction or 2-week ban.

If you want to try dying the fastest, why not do it in a custom game? You're admitting to intentionally feeding on top of your chat restriction...

Zielmann6 votes

There is so much wrong here... First off, racist language is not tolerated in league. Second, you're coming here and defending yourself by showing how you and a friend go and intentionally feed games away for fun...

Please, why don't you give us the name of the account you were doing this on? You make it sound like you do this regularly. If Riot were to actually notice this thread and find you've done it more than once, I'd hope they would issue an immediate permaban to at least the accounts you and your friend did this on, if not any account you own.

TdyxeyjF0e3 votes

There is so much wrong here... First off, intolerance of free speech is a fascist motive. No matter how xenophobic or ignorant a comment is, online comments are still from a mask to an unknown individual, thus they are not direct. Second, you're coming here to defend riot for something that you do not know why you believe. There is a mute button very conveniently located by riot to ignore such people. You yourself also have what is commonly known as a prefrontal cortex. Here you can decide whether or not to try to be offended or let something go. You make it sound like you comment on these boards regularly and are probably one to complain a lot during games, and need things to go your way. I hope you get permabanned from these forums at least for your insensitive, ignorant and closed minded tunnel vision and remarks.

Zielmann5 votes

That's not what free speech is. Free speech is the freedom to speak without fear of government censorship. Last I checked, Riot is not, in fact, the government. You're on private property (Riot's servers), and they set the rules. Regardless of whether or not I'm offended by it, Riot has decided that they will not tolerate racism within their games, and they tend to punish for it harshly.

TdyxeyjF0e2 votes

Riot servers that I play on are on US soil. Riot is the governing body and they have their rules. They are also a corporation and laws governing corporations are different than laws governing people. Furthermore, within the privacy of your home you cannot restrict someones freedom of speech and expression, or any of their liberties for that matter. So what is your point exactly?

Zielmann3 votes

That many people, yourself included, seem to think free speech reaches a lot farther than it actually does. And, you've proven my point.

Also, good luck.

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

And many people like the 2 of you and riot, are the reason for the verbal harassment. First: trolls will always find a way to troll you, if xenophobia didn't work, they would try something else. I do not in any way endorse xenophobic remarks but the only way to prevent it is to not let it affect you. I know very well what freedom of speech is. Yes riot can punish you for saying inappropriate things, yes they can remove your account. But this only leads to further and further restrictions on speech and come a time, riot or the government or whoever will use these footholds you have helped create to protect themselves. In Turkey for example you can go to jail for offending turkishness (Article 301 turkish penal code). I am not saying it is inevitable but all video games have this problem where admins have authoritarian rule over servers. If I offend riot they will find a way to remove me or you or anyone. Now, thank goodness this is North America and we can openly complain about riot, but by making the biggest deal we can about words coming from an unknown person to another unknown person who have no relation and never have had prior contact or contact before, will only encourage that type of behavior. If you want to end indirect xenophobic banter, ignore it. Unless someone is seeking out people by who they are, not even claim to be, who they actually are, there is no personality in any comments and they should be brushed off. I have been called all the things that you have and I seldom issue reports. Stay calm and try to enjoy yourselves, your time on earth is limited.

ReadyxPlayerxOne3 votes

Please explain using psychological, historical, legal or societal precedence that, being our time is limited on earth, humanity should be forced to endure the bigotry, racism, intolerance, injustice, persecution and/or exceptional vulgarity against their will. If you can't provide that kind of an argument, your entire above comment is incorrect, factually flawed and designed to protect your ego which has superseded rational thought.

Also, you seem to misuse the word xenophobia in this comment. Xenophobia is the fear of of the unknown or foreign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia). It relates to fears of cultural differences such as how westerners view a woman in a berka or a middle eastern man in a turban. Orson Scott Card Adequately covered Xenophobia in his novel Xenocide as it portrayed two groups of people nearly incapable of communicating with each other and although one side viewed the other as murderers. That other group considered their actions to be religious and transcendental and since, it was a work of fiction, this was true.

You seem to believe that it's an adequate term to encompass the racism, negativity and griefing that occurs in games and in chat. It's not. We KNOW what's going on, we understand and can question properly the actions and motivations of the players we come across.

Please do some research before using big words you don't understand.

ReadyxPlayerxOne7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fresh YoIo Swag,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tsxQu8qf,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-20T15:56:28.708+0000)

Riot is the governing body and they have their rules. They are also a corporation and laws governing corporations are different than laws governing people.

You say this yet you don't seem to understand it. They are essentially a club. You can choose to follow THEIR rules or you can choose to not and be punished per their set of rules while within their domain. You're FREE to say anything you want but their rules still apply as you've agreed to them. What the freedom of speech protects is your right to not have legal consequences because of your choice to use words or speak in a manner that is unpopular (with minor exceptions per Supreme Court rulings like yelling fire in a theater).

As you say... "within the privacy of your home you cannot restrict someones freedom of speech and expression" and RIOT does NOT police your verbal communication in ANY way. But they have every right (as it has been upheld in court that social media posts and other information that's ON a private server EVEN if broadcast publicly is not covered by freedom of speech) to limit your freedom to communicate when they deem appropriate while you are within the confines of THEIR property and you ARE within THEIR property.

Rules like this are adopted all the time and are not covered by freedom of speech. For example: You cannot interrupt a court room proceeding because there are rules and procedures for how to present your speech to the court. Or you can't go into certain restaurants without a shirt. Or you cannot solicit business at certain locations. These aren't laws. They are codes of conduct that are adopted by these places because they wish to have a certain guideline for behavior that they believe benefits the greater good.

If you can't understand what I've said and know that you simply don't understand freedom of speech and what it actually entitles you to say then I can't help you and you're trolling. I hope you can understand.

Zielmann2 votes

I like you

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

I understand very well what you are saying, and I applaud you in your well thought out and researched argument. You have to also realize that in article 5 part c of the terms of use agreement that you all signed states: C. Harassing, stalking, or threatening any other users in the Game; You my friend are not in violation because your post is purely factual, however, Zielmann and many others are in violation as they threaten to report, they harass by calling people trolls and so in the same ways that racism is against their TOU, so is threatening to report or calling people trolls.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

Simple is as simple does. Troll is as a troll does.

There's reasons people disagree with you. There's reasons I specifically disagree with you. I don't think your arguments are well thought out, consider historical significance, adequately embrace the writers of your quotes intentions (which is how law looks at a document, it is the WRITERS interpretation of a document like ToU, not yours, that matters) and fail to consider anything more than your own ego. I would suggest that the severe lack of quality and depth to your "arguments" in the above mentioned manners and others is why your comments are seen by myself and others as trolling.

Maybe you get that... maybe you don't... not understanding isn't an excuse. It means you need to educate yourself to the correct meaning.

Tarar2 votes

I think the cognitive dissonance here is stemming from the amount of power you attribute to Riot. As long as they keep providing a chat feature, I'm free to say what I want to say. Even if my accounts become permanently banned, I'll just make more. It's free. I think the playerbase should acknowledge the fact that the player alone is responsible for getting upset over words and it's not Riot's job to get police chat, rather the sensitive player's responsibility to use both chat filter and mute.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

You don't understand what cognitive dissonance means. I'm fairly certain I know exactly where I stand and have no problem understanding what you believe at the same time and it does NOT change my state of mind, stress me in any way or even present reasonable doubt to my arguments.

You ARE free to act and say whatever you want. JUST AS FREE as RIOT is to issue penalties in the effort to change that behavior.

You assume however that using racist language is excusable as long as it's muted to those who are offended by it. It's not.

You assume that it's not RIOT's job to attempt to 1. maximize profits by offering a safer, more inclusive environment and 2. to actively pursue and reign in the unintended consequences of their companies product. IT IS EXACTLY their job to do those things. The first is subject to moral clauses in most stockholder agreements. If the company is being hurt by a moral issue the company has an obligation to correct that issue as best they see fit or be subject to legal ramifications for breach of contract . In the case of the second the failure to do so could be considered negligent and again be subject to legalities.

You are wrong that companies don't have the right to police their products and the way people use their products. You may continue to do as you suggested and RIOT has every right to stop you as they see fit.

Tarar1 votes

I fully agree with everything you said in regards to Riot's job. My argument is that Riot's power is limited. They can only affect the account, not the person. If making an account cost 50 dollars, then yes being banned has a negative effect and there's a monetary incentive for the player to avoid a ban. But, league being a free game, there's no real punishment Riot can issue that will truly stop a player from toxic behavior. It's their job to do as much as they can to deter toxic chat such as providing a mute option, providing a chat filter, and issuing bans and restrictions, but the player is responsible for utilizing the mute and the chat filter. In that way the toxic troll is still maintains his free speech. To put it simply, there is no consequence great enough that Riot can impose that can truly limit the free speech of a player.

TdyxeyjF0e2 votes

Also it seems to me that you have fed before as well: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2003730742/96754?tab=overview so I am not sure how you think you stand above us.

Zielmann6 votes

I have never intentionally fed, in 6+ years of playing this game. I have had bad games, though. Everybody does.

You're making a game out of ruining the game for others.

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

1-10 is a worse ratio than 7-46 and you lost that game, seems like feeding to me.

Zielmann6 votes

Intentional: adjective - Done on purpose, deliberate

JQKAndrei4 votes

1-10 is far better than any thing above 20 deaths.

It doesn't count how much % kills you get per life. You fed the enemy 46 kills worth of gold. It's enough to set 2 people full build.

Plus, you had 1-2 assists while this guy had over 15.

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

Untrue. Your KDA affects directly your death timer. After an amount of gold earned, there are no longer items one can buy and now every time you die, you are dead longer as well as giving a larger % of gold back to the other team. The balance in this game is such that if you fed hard and were able to prolong a game, the late game is much in your favor.

See this game where we all fed then flipped the game and won http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2072645776/200504092?tab=overview the score was 107-39, the 39 side won.

TdyxeyjF0e2 votes

And look at the global gold, it was very even for having 68 more kills.

JQKAndrei4 votes

Dieing a lot means that you let your team 4v5 for a lot of time.

The balance in this game is such that if you fed hard and were able to prolong a game, the late game is much in your favor.

This is nonsense, if you prolong the game, eveyone will reach full build and you'll be favoured ONLY if your champions scale better into lategame. Otherwise it'll be even or worse.

feeding is always a bad idea, doing it intentionally is just a dick move.

TdyxeyjF0e2 votes

It is not, we have tested it over many games, ask riot for the source code to see for yourself. They better the kda you have the longer your death time is. It is not very visible because it is only a few seconds, but as you know those seconds matter.

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

Also the creep score in this game had the other team +18, and only 2 towers less so how did we have only 900 less gold than them and 68 less kills?

JQKAndrei5 votes

only 2 towers less

Because it's an ARAM?

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

Why would you not try to implement something from one game mode to another? Isn't that why you have to get to level 30 before playing ranked?

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

Also executions do not count, he had less than 10 "deaths" overall where he gave the enemy gold.

JQKAndrei4 votes

Executions leave your team 4v5. But I guess with you it's always a 4v5.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

Let's assume 300 gold per death.

10 deaths = 3,000 gold

46 deaths = 13,800 gold

You're correct that 1/10 as a ratio would mean you'd need to be 10/100 or worse. Purely mathematical, it makes sense. In the context of the game however. It does not. You gave up over 4 times the gold .

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

{quoted}

Let's assume 300 gold per death.

10 deaths = 3,000 gold

46 deaths = 13,800 gold

You're correct that 1/10 as a ratio would mean you'd need to be 10/100 or worse. Purely mathematical, it makes sense. In the context of the game however. It does not. You gave up over 4 times the gold .

thats not how gold works here see http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2072645776/200504092?tab=stats and explain that logic...

JQKAndrei2 votes

I don't really believe muting people will stop them from going 1/21

1374342 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fresh YoIo Swag,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tsxQu8qf,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-01-20T15:44:25.476+0000)

There is so much wrong here... First off, intolerance of free speech is a fascist motive. No matter how xenophobic or ignorant a comment is, online comments are still from a mask to an unknown individual, thus they are not direct.

You realize freedom of speech and freedom from consequences from said speech are two different things?

Bruce Sin Lee6 votes

You deserved it. I learned my lesson, you should too, maybe a long ban will change your mind

BeatzBoyFTW6 votes

......why are you even asking?

You should be permabanned for this. Chat restriction, my ass.

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

that last word you used means you should also be banned.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

RIOT WookieCookie specifically says RIOT does not wish to ban each and every vulgarity and uses the "don't be a jerk" rule. I believe he was comparing the severity of the punishment to his buttocks which most people would assume is a way of portraying disgust and disapproval. It probably has its roots in the old Scottish act of mooning. Banned for expressing disapproval of part of RIOT's procedures? No, they don't do that..

Viavarian4 votes

How about you hold your competitions in custom games from now on.

Colgate Gator4 votes

Looks like the system is doing its work.

Take it as your warning before you get actually banned and come back to the forum saying that you were unfarily banned without warning.

Also it's kinda ironic that you say the "Politically correct Gestapo".

TdyxeyjF0e2 votes

Ok just to clarify as I may or may not have been that rammus, intentional feeding is a winning strategy in ARAM. Togethor we have over 90% win rate in our intentional feed games during ARAM or Summoners rift. I once fed 46 times in an ARAM as rammus but my team still won. Our competitions are fun, successful and when we do not win using our strategy it is normally due to closed minded people who only follow riot's meta. Time and time again we have brought creativity to league of legends only to be discouraged and shot down. If you think my numbers are exagerated, see for yourself. Your favorite support garen main- Fresh YoIo Swag

Zielmann4 votes

Playing off-meta is one thing. That's fine. No big deal. Intentionally feeding is inexcusable. Don't care what mode. Don't care if your allies were somehow able to drag your corpses across the finish line and still win. Guarantee you your teammates were miserable through all that.

~~What's the account name you used for that Rammus game? ~~ Nevermind, it's been answered.

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

Our allies in no way dragged our corpses. Add me and take part in one of these, once again Zielmann, you think that only your way of doing things works. Our teammates have never had more fun and if riot releases the chat logs you will see that. I got added by many people I have used this strategy with and they all want to give it a shot. I teach them and guide them and they keep coming back for more. The point is that we were not carried and in one game, the other team called us toxic, harassed us, and told us we were reported after the first 5 suicides, eventually we stopped suiciding because we got so pissed at them and, with 2 afks (who later came back) at the time and the score 1-14 we turned the game and won. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2072089995/200504092?tab=overview

We did not report them for telling us we are toxic or bad or stupid. We muted them and proved that we are better than them.

Poro Snax2 votes

The example the the original poster had wasn't for an ARAM since it says a dragon was slain o;

TdyxeyjF0e1 votes

This was our first attempt to introduce an ARAM strategy to a normals summoners rift game.

ReadyxPlayerxOne2 votes

Racism isn't funny....

They should have suspended your account.

Tarar1 votes

I beleive racial slurs are funny and your intolerance of my comedic beliefs is bigotry.

Bigotry - intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself

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