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I thought it was a bannable offense if someone picked something the team didnt agree on?

iDontDuo420··1 votes·825 views

Just had a blitzcrank top lane in my ranked game who was "playing for fun because it's preseason", went 0/6/3 and did absolutely nothing the entire game. We all agreed AS A TEAM in champion select that we didn't like it, but he wanted to be a selfish prick and waste 27 minutes of our time because he has that "It's preseason who cares" fucking attitude. I don't give a flying fuck if it's preseason, every game should be treated as if it's your PROMOS TO GETTING IN DIAMOND.

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Chermorg7 votes

It is never a bannable offense to pick.

It isn't even bannable to not communicate with your team. The most that will happen per Riot's most recent policy on the matter is that they will lock the account until the player contacts support, when support will discuss with them how they can continue to play their off-meta pick that they like playing but still help their team have a good game.

There is no officially recognized required meta. That would be required before punishing people for playing outside of it would be a viable option. Riot themselves encourage and support players playing non-meta picks - it's how the meta changes (think Jhin mid, Zyra, Ez jungle)

iDontDuo4201 votes

Jhin mid, Zyra, and EZ jungle are not in the same category as Blitzcrank top. Those actually work, and he blatantly admitted that he only played Blitzcrank top because "it's fun", not because he thought it was going to work.

Chermorg7 votes

He's totally allowed to do that if he thinks it's fun. Sure it may not be the most viable (it's not like playing Ez ADC with klepto and a Nami support right now), but it's not punishable to play something non-viable.

Riot does not police players picks or the reason they pick them.

iDontDuo4202 votes

So I can pick Karthus Jungle because it's fun? Not because I want to win, but because I find it enjoyable to play even though it's ranked?

Chermorg3 votes

If you play it to win and don't troll, then yes, you can play whatever you want.

iDontDuo4201 votes

Team game, 1 players enjoyment should not inflict the rest of the team

Mindspeaker6 votes

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Team game, 1 players enjoyment should not inflict the rest of the team

Everything Chermorg said is factual. Since you don't seem to connecting with their advice I thought i would give it a try.

Here is a quote from a Riot employee on this matter of non meta picks.

WookieeCookie (NA) - 8 months ago

Let’s re-iterate our stance from before:

Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta?

A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form.

I am also including a cut and paste regarding this topic.

TL/ DR

Seriously if you can't handle all those factors and you keep joining solo que you and your own choices are the problem so stop trying to shift the blame for YOUR displeasure on to other people when you keep choosing to play with random people

In other words...

If you want a "serious team" if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it . If you want to play meta if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does.

here is the simple solution

stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and just play with a premade team you "know will play to your standard and with your views on the game" in.. There is a premade option for a reason.

If you don't have enough contacts to make a premade that's a personal issue It is not Riots or other players fault so you still don't have the right to dictate how others legitimately play or view the game within Riots behavioral guidelines.


First of all anyone is free to play any champ in any role with any strategy. Champ select is not trolling in any way at any time

WookieeCookie (NA) - 8 months ago

Let’s re-iterate our stance from before:

Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta?

A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form.

Please don't bring up singed or numu...what happened there at the very most was a EXCEPTION to the rule it does not in any way invalidate the above .....

it`s all about being a team and play as 5

If you go into solo que expecting that it will have the same cohesiveness and team play as a premade there is your problem right there ... here is why

That is one of the reasons mute is so good . People stress out too much over what everyone elese is doing instead doing .

Its actually quite common to even have to ping mute some pme because they are stressing out tooo much,

These are the _ACTUAL FACTS _of random que:

  • People will not have the same views as you

  • They will not take ranked as a serious as you. Some actually realize this is just a VIDEO GAME

  • Some people play ranked because its more worthwhile than normal I really could care less about rank "prestige" or "LP"

Example: some people play ranked because at the very least they get free skin and ward at the end ... do they get that playing normal ...nooo you get nothing, So why would they ?

I actually have fun win OR lose , even if there is a feeder or afk if we are getting stomped or doing the stomping and I ALWAYS vote no. I don't play ranked to listen to someone stress out like losing a game is the end of the universe . Its a video game the point is to HAVE FUN actually playing the game not just the outcome ..yes again even in ranked. Some time you win some times you lose LP constantly fluctuates so don't stress about it as long as you have fun you are always a winner.

  • There are legitimate toxic people who join games for the sole purpose of ruining it for others ( intentional feeders, afk, verbal abuse etc ) you cant get away from them. Its mind boggling some who choose to spend their time ruining other people games but there are some really immature uncivilized people in this world that will log on to do just that. You just have to assume your going to get one when you hit the solo que button and prepare for it . If you don't its a bonus,

  • Riot does not enforce Meta or champ " roles" or strategy in any mode at any level. ( In a ranked game you can "mid" Janna if you wanted to)

  • There is no "unskilled" if you don't like how someone is playing its is up to YOU to leave solo que not anyone else ,

  • Riot themselves have stated that no one would ever be punished for non meta non role champ choice.

That means anyone is free to play any champ in any role at any time that is NOT being a troll breaking the summoners code,

  • you are also allowed to play " 1st time champs" in ranked as well.

  • Also there is no refusing to communicate - so someone who doesn't listen to you is not being a troll either . No one will be punished for muting the team and not speaking in chat so if you think you can report someone for refusing to communicate your wrong. they are NOT doing anything breaking the summoners code or riots rules either

Riot Tantram (NA) - 2 years ago

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing . unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.


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Team game, 1 players enjoyment should not inflict the rest of the team

Seriously if you can't handle all those factors and you keep joining solo que you and your own choices are the problem so stop trying to shift the blame for YOUR displeasure on to other people when you keep choosing to play with random people

In other words...

  • If you want a "serious team"
  • if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it .
  • If you want to play meta
  • if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does.

here is the simple solution

stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and jsut play with a premade team you "know will play to your standard and with your views on the game" in.. There is a premade option for a reason.

*Solo que Ranked ( or any mode for that matter)

is great if your definition of "fun" does not rest on the status or out come of the game but the enjoyment of simply "playing" the game regardless of what is happening during it.

If you can have fun during a game regardless if there are afk's or intentional feeders then they lose all power, winning is great everyone likes winning also if you have fun during the game the losses are still enjoyable.

( again ....no "fun" is not restricted to just normal.... anyone can join any solo que for any reason)

Simply put Some players simply play ranked not because they care about "ranked prestige" but because it is more "profitable" than playing normal.... for example would someone get a champ / ward skin from playing normal all year ...no ...they would get nothing but the "normal rewards" you get form playing any match.

so solo que is a good "fit " for that type of player

Now on the other hand if a player is taking the game to the epic level of seriousness making the outcome of the game , your rank your lp your ONLY source of enjoyment.

If you take that type of player and then they willingly and intentionally join a match with random people

You are basically spinning a roulette wheel

On that wheel are

  • "serious people " like above
  • legitimate jerks and thinking of ways they are going to intentionally destroy the match,
  • People that may not take game as seriously as you
  • People who just want to rage and verbally abuse people for fun
  • a legitimate "bad player" ( the not reportable kind)
  • there are probably more player type examples as well

Now if you take that and look at probability factors

The chances of the "serious player" getting 4 other "serious people " is very low

and

The probability of getting "bad people" something simply "going wrong" or even something that you simply wont like

Is higher than the probability of getting 4 other serious people

So knowing those odds why would anyone taking taking the game to that level of seriousness be surprised when you spin the wheel and lose and things don't turn out they way they think they should?

So really taking all of this into account if you REALLY want to talk about player responsibility it up to each individual player to choose the option that is the best fit for them.

RuFiot1 votes

All this pro non meta pics, new strategies, freedom to experiment and not being a meta slave from riot, but they still allow other players to ban my unusual picks in champ select...

Mindspeaker1 votes

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All this pro non meta pics, new strategies, freedom to experiment and not being a meta slave from riot, but they still allow other players to ban my unusual picks in champ select...

That is because you also have the freedom and are allowed to ban who ever you want to ban.. some people are immature uncivilized players and will use that power against their team for nefarious purposes and ban a teammates pick.

I don't support that and its not a mature thing to do but it is technically "legal"

AlienPrimate1 votes

Karthus can solo blue buff without smite at level 1. I think he would work fine as a jungler.

The Cream Reaper1 votes

“Just because you can doesn't mean you should.”

― Sherrilyn Kenyon

Timethief491 votes

Karthus jungle is actually quite good. It used to be pretty popular.

Timethief491 votes

I recently played with a blitz top otp. He completly wrecked toplane. So i would say it is in the same category.

FuzzyLumps1 votes

That's where you're wrong. Every off meta pick is raged at until it becomes meta or acceptable. You need to give things a chance.

I've made of meta pick in the past and have been raged for them. They didn't work out well because everyone was tilted because of an of meta pick. Within the next year I noticed pros were making the same choices and it was accepted.

Off meta picks can work, but if you rage and tilt people, they will not perform well no matter what.

FuzzyLumps2 votes

Choosing an off meta champion is not reportable. Neither is choosing a champion your teammates don't agree on. You might be reportable for harassment on that end if you continue to harass him about it.

However! It might be reportable that he wasn't trying. It could be considered intentional feeding or giving up.

Also, just for the record, reportable and bannable are two different things. Extreme situations get you banned.

iDontDuo4201 votes

When he's saying that the whole reason he picked it was "for fun because it's pre season so who cares", i'm pretty sure that's like saying "fuck you guys i don't care about this game so i'm going to play what I want". Am I wrong?

zPOOPz1 votes

Yes, you are wrong. Even if he said that, it is not 100% guaranteed he will not try to win that game. Playing for fun =/= not trying to win.

What is more of a guaranteed that he will not try is you badgering him for his pick making the game less fun for him so he will not even going to try.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

there is no rule that requires him to care about the game either

FuzzyLumps1 votes

It does show disregard, but it doesn't mean he won't perform well. Always remember that the only things in your control are your attitude, your plays, and what you type. Don't become the reportable one in that situation, and try not to tilt. Immediately mute them and report at the end of the game.

If you rage them, it will only tilt them and make them perform worse. You will only contribute to the problem.

Jo0o1 votes

It's not that far off meta. I've seen several high-elo streamers try Blitz top, with a variety of builds.

Sucks that it didn't work out, but you can't really enforce how seriously your teammates take the game.

Friendly Ram1 votes

Look up support singed and nunu cases.

TL:DR you are allowed to play any champ in any lane, and you can't be banned by riot for doing so.

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Friendly Ram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tgWgN4F6,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-12-19T04:41:36.984+0000)

Look up support singed and nunu cases.

TL:DR you are allowed to play any champ in any lane, and you can't be banned by riot for doing so.

Such a troll comment with the "tldr" part. lol As in the initial comment being short than the "too long didn't read" comment.

The Cream Reaper1 votes

As in the initial comment being short than the "too long didn't read" comment.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/250x250/27560497/you-dont-say.jpg

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Dude, a Blitz top is a decent pick, just like a Leona top. Build him ad or lethality though. His W is an attack speed steroid and his E doubles his Ad for a hit. At least that is what I would do.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

how would you draw the line?

what if some guy has 60% winrate with irelia and 40% with jax but sometimes he just feels like playing jax? should that be against the rules?

and then even if you forced him to play irelia there is no way to force him to play his hardest. he could just play for fun and make crazy dives or do a weird build or whatever.

you are never going to be able to force someone to tryhard every single game, nor should you be able to. this is a video game and people should be able to play it however they want.

Stell1 votes

I'm pretty sure Riot wouldn't release things like this: https://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/forge-your-path-preseason-responsibly-2

if random shit during preseason was actually bannable offense. They literally encourage you to roll random champion in to random role with random masteries.

edit: I mean if Riot's official site tells me to go gragas adc with grasp of the undying, why the fuck would they ban me for it?

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