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This is the game that triggered perma? are you KIDDING me?

ƒeínt··2 votes·785 views

This chat log triggered my perma ban. Ridiculous.

ƒeínt: think before you type young one <--- Perhaps the only thing you could look at and think passive aggressive ƒeínt: just got placed today man ƒeínt: what's your deal lol ƒeínt: i'm not taking troll picks into ranked so i mean ƒeínt: like i said i placed today ƒeínt: i've played 2 games in this elo ƒeínt: riot doesnt make the meta btw ƒeínt: so you aren't going to trya nd steal cs are you ƒeínt: so i have to fight my own support for cs in a ranked game ƒeínt: do you mind letting me cs dude? ƒeínt: you dont have to troll completely ƒeínt: i guess you do ƒeínt: k ƒeínt: i had to back ƒeínt: was on 50 hp ƒeínt: casually bro ƒeínt: you made your point its time to cut it out man ƒeínt: report rammus please ƒeínt: bming, stealing cs, trolling all on purpose cause i didnt like the idea of him playing nunu supp ƒeínt: you're right ƒeínt: doesnt mean you can't report him its so obvious ƒeínt: LOL ƒeínt: i can't believe you're justifying him trolling.. on your own team dude ƒeínt: no i asked him not to play it then he flamed ƒeínt: really ƒeínt: this is laughable, i'm getting trolled but i'm the bad guy ƒeínt: figured my own team would stick with me but lol okay ƒeínt: ww says laning is over at 10 minutes with no towers down ƒeínt: can you guys end please ƒeínt: ? ƒeínt: ? ƒeínt: i started the vote ƒeínt: you can even see that in the chat why are you saying stuff like this man ƒeínt: i lose interested after my support trolls me and my team flames me ƒeínt: you can't blame me ƒeínt: rammus trolling me and 3 of my teammates flaming me for nothing i could care less ƒeínt: this community is sad ƒeínt: what did i do? ƒeínt: i have never engaged bro lmao ƒeínt: just trying to cs bc my support stole half of everything in lane ƒeínt: so you defend my support taking all my cs in lane? ƒeínt: talking to ori lol wc ƒeínt: ww and rammus are duo, and i said i'm close to s5 so they are trying to make that happen i imagine ƒeínt: if you blame this on me i apologize ƒeínt: had to take it

As you can clearly say not at one point do I curse or attack somebody. I simply talk about the situation and ask this person to not troll me. In champ select i simply asked my support to play something meta (it was a ranked game). He didn't like that and proceeded to pick Rammus, and in bot steal all my cs and troll me (and my team blamed me for him trolling, ridiculous, perhaps the curse of silver). I find it outrageous that this game could count towards me being permanently banned. I am literally so close to uninstalling this game and never playing again. I imagine this person got off scot free whereas I didn't EVEN DO ANYTHING IMMORAL OR TOXIC and i got perma banned.

Obviously there were previous offenses on my part but this is by no means worthy of triggering my next punishment, irregardless of whether someone reported me or not. It is sad that this is the state of the game and I see why so many people leave it behind.

45 Comments

ModUlanopo3 votes

This chat log triggered my perma ban. Ridiculous.

You move up the punishment volcano by refusing to change your behavior, not because the severity kept increasing. If that were the case, lots of toxic people would just ride out 14-day suspensions and go right back to being toxic, as seems to be the case here.

ƒeínt: report rammus please

Report begging is considered harassment and would trigger a punishment separately from the bickering.

ƒeínt1 votes

What i'm saying is that this is very very very borderline and it shouldn't be the straw that breaks the camel's. You cite me asking for other players to report someone. If that's the worst thing you can find then I should not be banned right now.

ModUlanopo3 votes

What i'm saying is that this is very very very borderline

I get that. What I'm telling you is that borderline or not doesn't matter. The statistics show that people who decline to change after a certain number of punishments are highly unlikely to ever change. This is kind of like how your insurance premiums tend to go up after you cause a car accident: you present a greater risk of loss.

Mordius1 votes

Sure looks like you banned your teammate's pick

SantiTheKing2 votes

Does that even warrant a report though? If his teammate was going Nunu support (obviously not a support champion) is he just going to have to deal with it? I feel as if that's a little unfair, as having a bad support simply because they did not want to pick a functioning support is not really his fault.

Mordius1 votes

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Does that even warrant a report though? If his teammate was going Nunu support (obviously not a support champion) is he just going to have to deal with it? I feel as if that's a little unfair, as having a bad support simply because they did not want to pick a functioning support is not really his fault.

Nunu is a support.

And that is his only option is to deal with it, becuase clearly banning his teammates pick resulted in a loss anyway.

ƒeínt1 votes

Amusing how many people are trying to justify this, thanks for actually analysing it for what it is.

ƒeínt1 votes

Didn't ban his pick, he essentially picked Rammus as if to be like "okay I won't play nunu but i'll still int your lane". Amazes me that you think that would excuse his behaviour though.

Mordius1 votes

{quoted}

Didnt ban his pick

ƒeínt: i'm not taking troll picks into ranked so i mean

ƒeínt1 votes

No, he was flaming me and I said that as if to say, i'm not the one taking troll picks into ranked. Could you reach any more lol, I know it's a bit hard without seeing what they have said but this is all they gave me.

Mordius1 votes

{quoted}

No, he was flaming me and I said that as if to say, i'm not the one taking troll picks into ranked. Could you reach any more lol, I know it's a bit hard without seeing what they have said but this is all they gave me.

Submit a ticket to CS and they may reverse it

ModPeriscope1 votes

You just came off a 2 week ban. You were on thin ice after coming off.

As you can clearly say not at one point do I curse or attack somebody.

You can still be toxic and punished without cursing.

ƒeínt1 votes

But was I? I suppose I should have asked that question in my initial post..

ƒeínt1 votes

I'd be impressed if you could sit here and tell me it deserves a perma ban because if that's the case I must be missing something.

Chermorg4 votes

Is this punishable? Yes. Were you toxic? Yes.

You came off a 14 day ban within the past 72 hours. If this is your best behavior it's nowhere near good enough.

ƒeínt1 votes

Okay walk me through what's toxic about it because i'm really failing to see it. I can't see how you justify it.

ƒeínt1 votes

Must be where i'm begging this person to stop trolling me, or where I apologize to my team, or ask them to stop flaming me for no reason.

Chermorg2 votes

You're constantly passive aggressive, you're constantly commenting negatively on others' behavior and accusing them of trolling, and you're generally just all around a negative person to play with.

ƒeínt1 votes

Okay, did you read anything i posted initially? i laid out the situation in the initial post. I'm asking this guy to stop trolling me. Haha what would you call stealing cs from your adc as a support in a ranked game? You wouldn't call that trolling? Come on buddy. I asked him to stop, I appealed to the people in the game saying what was going on. Go back and read the text, don't give me this garbage.

Chermorg3 votes

It doesn't matter if he is or not. You aren't the judge, jury nor executioner - you don't get to perform this vigilante justice by shaming or flaming someone for behaving bad. It creates a negative and toxic environment not just for the person trolling but for your 3 other teammates and the 5 enemies.

ƒeínt1 votes

So you are essentially saying stealing cs as a support in bot lane purposely is not trolling, you don't last hit repeatedly by accident man. I literally ask him to stop trolling me, you are telling me that is toxic, dude what on gods earth are you on about.

Chermorg1 votes

{quoted}

It doesn't matter if he is or not.

That's all I said about his behavior. Your behavior is the cause of your punishment - and as you were told a couple weeks ago you can't blame others for your actions. You behaved poorly, and others' behavior does not give you the right to do so.

ƒeínt1 votes

I behaved poorly by asking him to stop ruining my game? I dont understand what isso offensive about that and deserving of punishment. Surely you can see that point at least.

Chermorg1 votes

You're constantly harassing the person by discussing their behavior, threatening to report, telling them they're wrong, etc. Furthermore you display a very negative attitude towards the end of the game by giving up and trying to encourage your team to do the same.

ƒeínt1 votes

Do you even play this game or do you just nit pick on the forums? Have you ever played a game where you are being trolled? Do you feel like continuing to play? Discussing someones behaviour is harassment? Oh god you must be a picture perfect human being to have any quarrels with that type of thing. All of this is very nit picky. To whom did i tell they were wrong? You don't have to reach so far man it's okay for your points to be invalid, why try so hard to make an a mountain out of an ant hill. You're telling me discussing how someone is trolling me, ruining my game experience and that of my teammates is harassment to the person who is doing it? This is ludicrous and I feel like I waste my time by talking to people like you because you don't see the big picture and these little things you speak of bear almost no meaning, as if they could be considered significant in the first place.

The Cream Reaper1 votes

Have you ever played a game where you are being trolled?

does the phrase "don't feed the trolls" mean anything to you?

your only job when meeting undesirable people is to mute and report

that's all you have to do!

if you care more about your ego than your account, you'll be back on these forums again

All of this is very nit picky.

that is because after the 14 day ban, you are on extremely thin ice and things that are so insignificant that they didn't matter before MATTER NOW. had you bothered to thoroughly read the 14 day ban notification, you'd know this! it's right there in black and white

This is ludicrous and I feel like I waste my time by talking to people like you because you don't see the big picture and these little things you speak of bear almost no meaning, as if they could be considered significant in the first place.

if they hold no meaning and are insignificant then why are you banned right now?

i think that, if anything, YOU are missing the bigger picture, and if talking to two Arbiters hasn't clued you in on that then i wish you luck on your next account. if you continue with this faulty logic, you won't have that one for very long either

[slayer-jinx-catface]

ModPeriscope1 votes

I didn't have time to read your logs earlier, but yea, they were negative.

Have you ever played a game where you are being trolled?

Yea. Sometimes it's me with the first time Xerath support, or 2nd time Malphite support. Weird picks can work. I was going to try Nunu support eventually, and it looks like he's getting buffs this next patch, so why not?

To whom did i tell they were wrong?

You didn't specifically call someone out as wrong, just asked them to stop doing something, and when they didn't you "had to fight your own support" and wanted to report them for various reasons.

The most toxic players I've ever encountered never want to accept they've done something wrong or bother to change. That's something that's consistent in your history, and visible right now in this discussion you've had with 2 arbiters.

The bottom line, you have to work with your teammates. Sometimes that's going to be consistent with what you've done the past 5K games. Sometimes not. Instead of working with your teammates, you threw a fit, then gave up because things weren't going your way. Ask yourself if it was worth losing your account over having a Rammus support take some cs in a game.

ƒeínt1 votes

Picking off meta isn't necessarily trolling, going out of your way to ruin someone's game and make your team lose is trolling. So you saying people take off meta picks into your games, that's not ideal in most cases but my point is this kid was literally inting my lane and making the game unbearable for me to play, a little bit worse than just taking a "off meta" pick into a ranked game. Again it would be awesome if you could see the other side of the conversation (who i am talking to) not that it matters in a sense because I know i should have muted all of them. All i'm trying to say on this thread is that this instance isn't a fair one, if you put aside my previous infractions and look at this game and this game alone.

The Cream Reaper1 votes

All i'm trying to say on this thread is that this instance isn't a fair one, if you put aside my previous infractions and look at this game and this game alone.

the problem is that a perma takes into consideration previous infractions, which you don't seem able to get/accept

ModUlanopo2 votes

So you are essentially saying stealing cs as a support in bot lane purposely is not trolling

Much as people would like to enforce a meta, CS and kills belong to no one. There's no rule against taking either of them at any time, for any reason or no reason at all.

There are rules against harassing your teammates, however.

ƒeínt1 votes

Quote me where i was harassing please.

ModUlanopo1 votes

ƒeínt: report rammus please ƒeínt: bming, stealing cs, trolling all on purpose cause i didnt like the idea of him playing nunu supp ƒeínt: rammus trolling me and 3 of my teammates flaming me for nothing i could care less

That was just a quick pass. There's more.

ShaolinToilet1 votes

How is this harassment? I've seen rioters say worse in games. Didn't a rioter say you won't get banned for asking for reports? I've had friends in game with riot tantrum shit talk him worse than this and still not get banned.

Butt Ρlug1 votes

You won't get banned just because you ask for reports, but when a punishment is decided the fact that you did will be taken into account.

ƒeínt1 votes

Interesting.

The Cream Reaper1 votes

first of all

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=t4BNHARj,comment-id=00030000000000000002,timestamp=2017-05-09T20:27:51.768+0000)

4+ reports is the same as 1.

A report, or 9 reports, flag a game for review.

if (reports > 0) { reviewGame(); }

asking for reports is meaningless. even if 9 players report the 10th one, riot only gets 1 (one) notification to review the match. if nothing is found, the player doesn't get punished. the extra 8 reports are basically water under the bridge. they don't count. they don't matter, they don't add strength to the report. they don't do shit!

secondly

there's asking for reports and then there's asking for reports

if your ideea of asking for reports moves from "report x for inting/flaming/etc" to borderline harassment then it will be treated as harassment

I've seen rioters say worse in games.

proof?

ShaolinToilet1 votes

I never said I didn't know how the system works. Look up "toxic rioter" and you will find multiple examples

The Cream Reaper1 votes

I never said I didn't know how the system works.

if you don't understand what the problem is with "asking for reports" then clearly you don't!

ƒeínt1 votes

So if getting additional reports on someone bears no meaning how is it considered harassment if I ask for people to report someone, you yourself are saying it makes no difference so how could that be construed as harassment if it has no additional negative effect on the individual targeted?

The Cream Reaper1 votes

ok

let me simplify it for you

ƒeínt: report rammus please

this is not harassment. if you stopped there, there would be no issue

but the following IS harassment

ƒeínt: report rammus please ƒeínt: bming, stealing cs, trolling all on purpose cause i didnt like the idea of him playing nunu supp ƒeínt: you're right ƒeínt: doesnt mean you can't report him its so obvious ƒeínt: LOL ƒeínt: i can't believe you're justifying him trolling.. on your own team dude ƒeínt: no i asked him not to play it then he flamed ƒeínt: really ƒeínt: this is laughable, i'm getting trolled but i'm the bad guy ƒeínt: figured my own team would stick with me but lol okay

get it?

ƒeínt1 votes

So telling the other team a player is bming, stealing cs, trolling on purpose (which was obvious in game) is harassing someone? Baffling. Just because I call someone out on ruining the game for me and my team it is deemed harassment and i get banned whilst this person i'm sure got no punishment because Riot's system for detecting inting and trolling is trash (call it what it really is, its not good).

o brigid o1 votes

permabans don't just happen after one super toxic game. permabans can build up over time like a slow burn. after a 14 day ban you were informed that this was your last chance to stop being toxic/negative. and you continued to contribute to the negative experience of everyone you play with.

so by itself, if your account were in completely good standing and this were a first offense, you would not get permabanned for this. however, because you have a substantial history of toxicity (enough to have been 14 day banned), you finally ran out of chances to prove you are reformed.

ƒeínt1 votes

But what puzzles me is whether what I typed was enough, and I feel if you evaluate it fairly it just isn't.

o brigid o1 votes

Again by itself, you are correct. But you were out of chances. And you blew it.

Telephone Booth1 votes

These people aren't lawyers trying to prove you are guilty. They're just strangers. Stop acting like what they think matters. Play the game. Stop holding court on who's at fault for what during the middle of a match. I have had teemo supports with mejais who vehemently try to CS in bottom lane. I don't say shit. You really think a guy like that is taking anything you say into consideration? You think asking them not to troll, is gonna make a troll stop trolling? You're only adding to the clown fiesta by arguing in the middle of a match. It's not always only about insulting and cursing at people. It's about playing the game, instead of spending your time arguing with people. You must have had a 14 day ban recently, and I would not want someone so naive and willing to argue on my team. This is punishable, it just sucks that your next punishment no matter what, is a permaban. Sorry dude. Say your opinion once, and then stop typing. Let them know what you think. Don't try to convince them of anything and follow up with reasons and justifications. Just say your piece, let it be known, and then play the game.

(For the record, I do always still report those supports who play like assholes. That's all you need to do. Handle it with reports, not arguments. Focus on objectives, minimap, timers, etc. That's the biggest thing to take away from this; STOP ARGUING WITH PEOPLE)

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