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Banned? Really?

ƒeínt··1 votes·873 views

While you are reading this keep in mind most of the swearing isn't directed at anyone, mostly me being frustrated with how things went down in the bot lane. We went behind early and i asked my jungler to gank so we could stabilize and see out the rest of the laning phase. I don't think I was toxic in my way of doing this, yes I typed a lot but I don't think that equates to toxicity. I'm really sick of this chat ban system where if I do even the slightest thing i can get punished for it. This is a very polite chat dialogue compared to other things I've been witness to on this game, I think this is a bit much to get a 14-day ban for this.

ƒeínt: ffc ƒeínt: lol fuck this shit ƒeínt: shoulda just backed ƒeínt: wth u doing ƒeínt: couldn't dodge that stun bro? ƒeínt: yooo we need gank ƒeínt: ezreal chunks me to half hp ƒeínt: no? ƒeínt: want me to show you ƒeínt: udyr come pls ƒeínt: lol FUCK ƒeínt: udyr please gank bot bro ƒeínt: i guess not ƒeínt: that should be tho ƒeínt: sigh ƒeínt: if you look at my match history ƒeínt: i shit on games ƒeínt: this is not reg ƒeínt: its just an early game adc like ez ƒeínt: dos damn ƒeínt: sure ƒeínt: could just afk ƒeínt: i have somewhere to be soon anyway ƒeínt: or i can stay and turn this around if you stop flaming ƒeínt: when ezreal falls off its gg ƒeínt: you didnt come ƒeínt: at all ƒeínt: its not ƒeínt: he could have helped though ƒeínt: we're talking bot lane now bro ƒeínt: just not bot ƒeínt: i played it bad yes ƒeínt: wow ƒeínt: frozen gauntlet ƒeínt: tanky as ƒeínt: f ƒeínt: keep stealing farm ƒeínt: plz ƒeínt: i'm 70% on adc ƒeínt: after 30 games ƒeínt: i'm 70% wr ƒeínt: LOL ƒeínt: look at my match history ƒeínt: not lying bro ƒeínt: go on op.gg ƒeínt: it's called a bad game ƒeínt: judging by a 52 wr you have ƒeínt: many ƒeínt: i gotta stop talking ƒeínt: i haven't raged ƒeínt: i'm getting flamed ƒeínt: dude enjoy the chat ban rofl ƒeínt: and the L ƒeínt: no chat ban? ƒeínt: LOL ƒeínt: keep feeding bro ƒeínt: you read what i said right ƒeínt: idc ƒeínt: look at my match history ƒeínt: i carry almost every game i'll just win the next one idc ƒeínt: like i said ƒeínt: look at my match history ƒeínt: dude i tried teemo ƒeínt: i asked the jg to help so we didnt get snowballed so hard ƒeínt: he is ƒeínt: not blaming udyr, i never blamed, i just wanted help ƒeínt: i'm not flaming you... ƒeínt: they dont chat ban for pings brother ƒeínt: gg zil ƒeínt: i misplayed ƒeínt: and we got no help but it's fine ƒeínt: good try everyone ƒeínt: teemo ƒeínt: i just asked for help, read the chat bro ƒeínt: i never flamed him ƒeínt: flamed by asking for help? ƒeínt: really? ƒeínt: whining isn't flaming ƒeínt: LOL

I know people will come with the argument that if i had previous infractions this ban is justified. I think that argument to be lazy, Whether or not there was previous infractions should not have any bearing on FUTURE punishments, keep in mind that i served time on the previous punishments and they shouldn't have a hand in further hindering me in terms of bans. Also, some people will say that what I said was extremely toxic, I beg to differ although I will concede that it is not the most polite way to go about talking with my team. I think that the chat ban system is extremely overpowered in the sense that bans and punishments are given out on the basis of certain words being said? This game is rated T for teen right? I'm sure the players can tolerate some vulgar language from time to time. I think this is bs for me to get banned for this when i didn't really flame anybody or try to tilt my team I just wanted help from the jungle to try and salvage my lane. This chat ban system needs to be reviewed, i put hard earned money into this game and a few missteps wastes my time and my money.

37 Comments

Modi4 votes

I know people will come with the argument that if i had previous infractions this ban is justified. I think that argument to be lazy, Whether or not there was previous infractions should not have any bearing on FUTURE punishments, keep in mind that i served time on the previous punishments and they shouldn't have a hand in further hindering me in terms of bans.

Let's compare another system of rules, aka the law. Bear in mind, I am using this solely as an analogy. I am not comparing the two infractions, as they are completely different in substance. But, given they are both a form of rules, with punishments for breaking them, they can be compared as such.

Specifically, let's discuss speeding in a motor vehicle. If you repeatedly break this rule, you will be given increasingly severe punishments. While the first one may be simple punishment (a fine) or even possibly a warning, if you continue to break this rule, more severe punishments will be issued. This is just one example of a punishments of increasing severity fore repeat offenders.

Riot has taken a similar stance with its punishments for chat related (mis)behavior.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

The state that I lived in previously had a similar law for Driving Under the Influence (DUI). A first offense was given a fairly stiff fine, with a potential short jail term (30 days or less typically). The second offense involved a steeper fine, and often a longer jail term. Depending on the judge, a breathalyzer might be ordered hooked up to the vehicle's ignition so that the person would be incapable of starting their vehicle if they were above the legal limit. The third offense was "three strikes and you're out." The person's Driver's License was revoked permanently, they were hit with a major fine (anywhere from $2000-$15000) and could face a couple years in jail. And these were just the baseline punishments for if a person was caught without violating any OTHER laws while driving under the influence. If the person was involved in a collision, caught speeding or driving recklessly, or caused any sort of bodily injury to others, additional fines ad punishments could (and usually were) added.

Like you said, they are different situations in substance, but the principles are the same. Rules are in place, and warnings are issued for the safety and enjoyment of the players. When players choose to ignore those warnings and rules, they do so at their own risk.

Modi1 votes

Funny thing, I started writing about DUI/DWI, but I changed to speeding since many people have (tried) to blast me for "comparing chat behavior to [X]". I chose the toned down speeding offense, instead. That is why I have the disclaimer prior to the comparison, that is almost as long as the comparison itself :)

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

They've done it to me too. My personal favorite is when I see someone compare chat behavior to murder. At that point, I run to the kitchen, get the popcorn popping, and prepare to watch the fireworks.

I doubt it would make much of a difference what analogy was used, as long as the fundamental divide exists over whether or not chat behavior should be punishable by banning. That seems to be the main point that many of the punished players are falling back to; not all of them, but many. And as long as they continue to think that toxicity, no matter how mild or extreme, should not result in a ban, it won't matter what analogy is used for repetitive offenses.

Míellá3 votes

Yes. If you don't accept this, write a Riot Support Ticket, but I don't think that anything will happen, as you were extremly toxic this game.

ƒeínt1 votes

Don't know whether I agree that i was toxic deserving of ban, it would make more sense if you could see the chat from the rest of my team. You would agree that with such things like mute introduced to the game the need to ban for this type of thing is not really needed?

Míellá2 votes

{quoted}

Don't know whether I agree that i was toxic deserving of ban, it would make more sense if you could see the chat from the rest of my team. You would agree that with such things like mute introduced to the game the need to ban for this type of thing is not really needed?

context does not matter.

ƒeínt1 votes

If there's no context an unbised analysis is hard to make

Xidphel1 votes

Fair enough. Here's the context: you were toxic.

ƒeínt1 votes

Another very insightful comment.

Xidphel1 votes

Then how about this?

Whether or not there was previous infractions should not have any bearing on FUTURE punishments

Your infractions were means to tell you to cut it out with your toxicity/constant negativity and you STILL didn't stop. Now, all you can do is reflect on what you did and work on how you can cut down on your toxicity.

Just remember, you're on thin ice. Like I said, you had 2 other warnings before this one. This is your last warning from Riot.

Blossom Dead2 votes

Yes.

ƒeínt1 votes

Thanks for the insight very helpful.

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

Hmm, well, I can't honestly call these chat logs "positive," but I certainly wouldn't call them extremely toxic. Honestly, I would have to agree with you when you say in the logs that you weren't flaming. There's some things that come across as a bit passive-aggressive, some that just seem a tad whiny, but in general I probably wouldn't have reported you for this. I probably would have muted you for so much typing, but there's nothing wrong with typing, as long as it's not getting you killed, or causing you to miss teamfights and objectives.

ƒeínt: shoulda just backed ƒeínt: wth u doing ƒeínt: couldn't dodge that stun bro?

This part gets a tad questionable, since it starts off with a neutral enough statement, but then dips into nitpicking about what someone did wrong. But you didn't harp on it, and you didn't insult the person with it, so even if you said it to me in a match I would probably overlook it. I might grumble a bit to myself, or be annoyed at the Captain Obvious, but it's not flaming, and it's not all that rude.

ƒeínt: yooo we need gank ƒeínt: ezreal chunks me to half hp ƒeínt: udyr come pls ƒeínt: udyr please gank bot bro ƒeínt: you didnt come ƒeínt: at all ƒeínt: its not ƒeínt: he could have helped though ƒeínt: i asked the jg to help so we didnt get snowballed so hard ƒeínt: not blaming udyr, i never blamed, i just wanted help ƒeínt: i'm not flaming you... ƒeínt: and we got no help but it's fine

I lumped all of the begging for ganks together, just to show how much of it there is. I have to agree with you, you aren't flaming him. It's whiny, and would be annoying to listen to as a teammate, but you're not saying that it's Udyr's fault. You make a point of saying that you personally misplayed things, which I respect.

ƒeínt: could just afk ƒeínt: i have somewhere to be soon anyway ƒeínt: or i can stay and turn this around if you stop flaming

Threatening to afk is never a good thing. Even if you're only saying it to make a point, it's going to piss off your teammates. This is the first of the things that is getting to be a little bit over the line. Since it's going to cause dissension in the team no matter what the outcome is.

ƒeínt: judging by a 52 wr you have

There's no need to bring someone's win rate into the match. It doesn't do any good as far as helping your team win the match, unless you're using it to say "have faith in him guys, this guy has a 52% win rate," which doesn't seem to be the case here. If you want to brag about your own win rate, that's one thing. You've got that right. But to start talking about someone else's, especially in the context of comparing it to yours implying how much lower it is, that's insulting to your teammates. And it's going to piss them off.

ƒeínt: dude enjoy the chat ban rofl ƒeínt: and the L ƒeínt: no chat ban?

I swear, there seems to be some kind of karma attached to this phrase. It's never a good idea to taunt people with a punishment. While you have the ability to report them, you as a player do not have the ability to level a punishment upon them. Only the IFS and Riot can do that. Threatening a player with a punishment is the height of irony.

But, all of these things aside, the biggest determinant is most likely the thing that you consider to be the "lazy" argument: whether or not you have had a recent chat restriction. If you were recently given a chat restriction, and have not played enough games demonstrating positive behavior, then your account is still held in a negative behavior status. Any further rule breaking that happens while your account is in that negative status demonstrates a progression of toxicity, rather than a progression of reform, and will lead to the account being raised to the next punishment tier. If you had a 25 game chat restriction some time in the last 3 months, then that is likely where this came from. If you have not, then you might want to submit a ticket to Player Support asking why your punishment was escalated.

Something to keep in mind, now that you are at the 14 day suspension level... your next punishment is a permaban of the account. And it does not take extreme toxicity to earn a permaban. Any further rule-breaking, any sort of toxicity that is reported before you account has a chance to work itself back into a positive status will bump you to a permaban. This can mean even logs from games like this one! You should be very careful to be on your best behavior in the future, and if you are worried about it, you can always mute all at the beginning of every match.

ƒeínt1 votes

So I just have to sit now and wait for the ban to pass?

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

You can always submit a ticket to Player Support to appeal your ban, but they do not remove bans that were not made in error. You also have the option of playing on any other accounts you may have, or if you wish to do so, you can create a new account and begin leveling it in the interim.

ƒeínt1 votes

After my ban, how long will it take for me to get my honor back. Do the punishments become more lenient than a ban after a certain period of good behaviour has been shown? It would be nice to be able to play eventually knowing that i'm essentially on the edge of losing my account with any more mistakes.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

There isn't a set time period on how long it takes for you to get your honor back. The honor insignia on your profile is currently locked, and will remain locked for a short time after your punishment. When you begin to play again, and are putting in clean (i.e. positive, or at least neutral) games, and the system sees that you are in the process of reforming your behavior, it will unlock your honor. It gives you a notification when your honor is unlocked. At that time, you begin to earn honor again. So, it's only then that any honors you get after matches will start to count towards regaining honor level 1. Because it dropped all the way to honor level 0, it does take a while to get back up to level 1 and higher. Just be patient, and play clean games. If you are reported in your matches, and it's because of toxicity that the IFS confirms, it will delay unlocking your honor, and also will make it take much longer for you to gain honor level 1.

As to good behavior... yes, if you show reform, there is something called punishment tier decay. The punishment tiers are 10 game chat restriction - 25 game chat restriction - 14 day suspension - permanent suspension, with each account progressing up to the next one on consecutive offenses if no significant reform is demonstrated. However, if a player shows reform, basically if they demonstrate positive/neutral behavior for a significant number of games, their account will slowly drop in which punishment they would be given should they resume toxicity. It means that while your account is currently slated to be given a permanent suspension on the next punishment, consistent reform would drop your account down to where the next punishment for you would actually be a second 14 day suspension. And it can go further than that. If you played enough positive/neutral games, you would drop your account down to where the next punishment for you would be just a chat restriction.

Just be aware that it is not based on time. The old system was based on roughly 3 months per punishment tier, but that was before the IFS and it is no longer accurate. It is based entirely upon number of clean games played. A ballpark estimate, for the average player would be something like 6 months of regular game play to drop out of the 14 day suspension tier. I'm not telling you that to scare you, or to make it seem daunting, but so that you are aware that it's not something you can accomplish in a few weeks. If you truly want to keep this account, and don't want to risk losing it, then I would strongly, STRONGLY recommend simply muting all at the beginning of the matches. You cannot be banned for toxicity if you never type anything toxic. And if you never see anything from your team, you can't get into any kind of argument or discussion with them that they find offensive. You are in a precarious position now, and cannot afford to get a "revenge report" on the off-chance that it happens to catch something viable in your logs. Be smart, be safe, mute the bastards before they get the chance.

Wesker9972 votes

Join the club . System is shit ... At this point I hope this game literally dies off . Which it will in the future .. slowly but surely x3

Zombie Gerbil3 votes

It won't. People said the exact same thing after beta. Here we are 6 years later! So nope. It won't be dying off, regardless if you want it to or not! :D

Wesker9971 votes

Sorry it will. all things die off :)! it just takes time. overwatch is taking over and there will be way better games than league. We're advancing in technology so much that it is said by 2020 we will have a game just like Sword art online. 10 years from now you'll realize how stupid you sound :P!

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

Already going on 8 years, it'll for another 16 years too. So no worries, it won't die regardless if you want it to or not. Especially opinions from players like yourself. I know for a fact it won't die. And I never feel dumb. But I can't speak for you. Because players like you wished death on this game for the past 7 years and here it still is!

Also, not discussing this with you after this. You're not a viable person to debate with. Your next response is ignored.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Wesker9971 votes

see how i ignored your stupid ass lol

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

Dude, how did you not mute them as soon as they started flaming you? You kept responding and typing to the negativity rather than just playing the game. Don't use the excuse "Because I needed to see them communicate" or "You get banned for not communicating" because that's just flat out false. Stop typing to them, mute them, play the game, and report them. That's all. No buts, no nothing. Just do it.

ƒeínt1 votes

You act like you are in shock that I replied lol imagine that, not all players are as out of touch with their emotions as some.

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

Emotions? We call it common sense. You know, don't put gasoline on the fire? Don't use negativity on negativity? That sort of thing. I'm not shocked, I'm more baffled how you don't think you deserve this when clearly has been responded endlessly by Riot that you are not supposed to respond to negativity with negativity and (this may seem shocking to you) that you're supposed to just continue to play the game. Yes you're playing a video game. Since you didn't do that, you got punished. Next time mute and type less or otherwise you'll be permabanned.

ƒeínt1 votes

If people use the mute button instead of reporting to deal with chat related things there is no problem. I think there is more of an inting and feeding problem in the game, and those are worse in terms of ruining someones playing experience and there is seemingly little to no system put in place to deal with inters and feeders. What I type shouldn't be a big deal whereas if I fed and ruined a game on purpose yes punish me, because you can mute me but you can't stop me from feeding and making your playing experience terrible.

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

That's the problem with you kind players. You kind of players think Riot should look at other negativity, but not your kind. You want your actions to never have consequences and players should just tolerate your negativity. Yes, they can mute you, but they should also report you. We don't want those kinds of players in our games. You guys are also the problem along with trolling and intentional feeders. We want none of it. There's nothing wrong with the current system, and all systems will evolve. So instead of trying to use other players negativity as an excuse and work on yourself.

We're done discussing this because you won't take responsibility for your own actions. Instead, you'll look for another excuse.

ƒeínt1 votes

All i'm trying to say is in this instance I don't think my toxicity warrants a ban. It is borderline at best, albeit my chats are not ideal or polite. I'm not making excuses, I just know that I won't type anymore in any games to avoid something like this happening. You must acknowledge the fact that intentional feeding and trolling are worse in this game than toxicity as there is no way you can stop it, whereas you can just mute a player whose chat you don't want to see. My previous punishments I would agree I deserved it but to be fair I think this "system" that you tell me is not flawed has an issue when you say certain trigger words that would be deemed to be "toxic" where in a certain case they may not be pertaining to any players just an element of frustration. People like you aren't interested in any discussion you just condemn whatever you see in front of you without any consideration of the bigger picture. Yes I got banned for this, yes I was in the wrong but does the chat log really require me to be banned for this type of behaviour. You'll find another reply on this thread of someone who agrees that it is borderline, in a case like this I would think the system should err on the side of caution rather than to hand out a punishment where it is warranted without a doubt.

Dolyna1 votes

{quoted}

While you are reading this keep in mind most of the swearing isn't directed at anyone, mostly me being frustrated with how things went down in the bot lane.

The automated reporting system can't take context into account. It judged you toxic on the basis of your words alone. Apparently, at least one of the players in your game considered you to be offensive, and the system agreed.

I know people will come with the argument that if i had previous infractions this ban is justified.

That's not the players' policy. That's Riot's policy. Riot has an escalating punishment system. That's how it works here. You play their game, you have to work within their rules. There's nothing wrong with criticizing their rules and suggesting changes of course, but the forumites here are only pointing out the rules to you.

ƒeínt1 votes

I'm mostly aware of how the system works but I feel like it is inadequate in so many areas. Like you said it doesn't look at context and essentially just looks for words it has been given to look for. I think that if punishments that will stop someone from playing the game, something they've spent money on Riot should atleast have a system that more fairly reviews reports because this is a bit ridiculous. I know the policy and blah blah but how many other threads have been made about this topic and seemingly nothing changes.

General Esdeath 1 votes

You threatened to afk because someone didn't gank?

Wow this doesn't seem deserved at all.

ƒeínt1 votes

So threatening to afk as opposed to actually doing it is worthy of a 14 day ban? You must be kidding right.

General Esdeath 1 votes

So I can threaten to come kill you as long as I don't do it then?

Makes sense to me fam

ƒeínt1 votes

That's a bit of a ridiculous analogy to make when you consider what it is we are talking about. Not even sure it warrants a reply from me or recognition from anyone else.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Woah man, you said it yourself, a threat is OK as long as you don't do it. You're offended? You must be kidding right?

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Meanwhile, these players are good citizens.. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/vnLIsHHA-how-2-report-players-holding-champ-select-hostage

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