Bans getting heavy handed?

QaphsieI·Nov 27, 2016·1 votes·776 views

I just recieved a permanent ban today. Aparrently I'm in the .006%.

Here's the letter I wrote Riot, and I want to know what you think?

I also will let you read the three games that this ban was recieved for.

I know that I'm guilty of having some poor sportsmanship, but I certainly don't think 4 behavioral reviews in 3 Seasons with about 1500-1700 games per season is a symptom of someone who deserves a PERMANENT Ban.

This account is unfortunately stuck in low elo because I quit a season, and worse, the preseason reset shoved me from a Silver III after placement clear down to Bronze IV. I average over 50% wins, closer to 55-60% wins on my mains in the long term (300-400 game sample sizes), so I have evidence I don't belong there. However, when you 55% at 500+ games in Silver or worse, bronze, it's an exercise in futility. You gain 17 points for a win, lose 24 or so on a loss. You occasionally get a trend that raises you 3-4 tiers, but then you get a series of bad teams that drop you back down. That's where my frustration lies.

anywho..... that in mind here:

First of all, I'm sorry that I'm an inconvenience, and that I don't recall the Account Signup or Store Information. My account is about 3 years old.

My account has some history of tribunal ramifications, and I would like apologize for my behavior.

However, I feel like some of the reports for which I am getting singled out are misfounded, and brutally overhandled. I do occasionally say "Damn" or something slightly less kind, but the frequency is so little! When I have been banned, it's been over maybe 1 word in 10 games that actually gets reported. In the 4 or so times I have been banned, They've spanned over a total of well over 1500 games per season on average (from what I can recall), and only pertained to 3-6 game reports per.

I also feel like I am the victim here, in some cases, because I take ranked serious, while many of my teammates don't and in fact have a severe tendency to troll or are way below my play skill level (the kind of teams that feed 10 kills in the first 5 minutes, snowballing teams almost beyond redemption). This specific account was Gold in Season 4, but I didn't seriously try to rank in Season V, so it got pushed back to very low bronze elo. Very low Bronze elo is where players like this tend to exist, and there are sometimes more than 2 per game. It makes me angry when I can't climb this account out, because my teams are toxic, are feeders, or just unskilled. I can carry a general 55% of games when playing certain champs, and have hundreds of games to prove as such, yet I can't climb because I can't always play those champs, which draws my performance closer to 51-52%, which makes my climb really slow.

I have also spent substantial real money on this account. It's money I shouldn't have spent, but I really enjoy your game. I didn't spend it to get banned, nor did I expect to for anything I say. I in fact normally attempt to moderate my language.

If you decide to review this account, I will admit to something. In Season 4, I did have a friend play the account for about a month and a half, and he was the one who actually got the first flag against my account. He was so bad, that he actually got it flagged as racist/homophobic. I am neither! My language consists of the language of frustration, not that of hatred or prejudice.

Please reconsider the ban. If you have to enact some sort of chat filter, do it. I know my chats can get racey because of where the account elo is. But I am a productive player and I really want to climb. I love my almost complete arsenal of champions, runes, and hundreds of skins that I have.

I think I'm more guilty of being a solo player in a team game, who tries to lead players who are unleadable. Most of my comments are purely about gameplay, decisions, and the inability of teammates to follow pings/awareness. Do you really think people who are trying to play a team game through communication under split second decision making should be excluded?

Please reconsider.

If you want to talk with me some more, to possibly get a real feel for who I am and whether or not I can conform to your expectations, I'm willing to do so. I'm willing to do whatever it takes to be able to play.

Sincerely, "QaphsieI"

here's the games that landed it, and the context of why I felt justified to say what I did:

QaphsieI: how is our jungler only level 2.... QaphsieI: because heim is basically a 1v1 nightmare? QaphsieI: learn to ward QaphsieI: i have smite for heim dumbass QaphsieI: learn to play QaphsieI: holy crap cho fed darius too lol QaphsieI: gg QaphsieI: pinged and ignored QaphsieI: bard go back bot if you're worthless QaphsieI: no. i went with pings vs a heim QaphsieI: that was easy kill QaphsieI: you're garbage bard QaphsieI: im not behind QaphsieI: no. im not. QaphsieI: 2 because of you. QaphsieI: 1 because of cho QaphsieI: bard's the one whose been ignoring pings and setting up own team for deaths QaphsieI: stop feeding... QaphsieI: we'd be fine if bard wasnt trolling QaphsieI: vs a heim.... QaphsieI: bard this is why you are bronze. QaphsieI: it's called dont stand in his ult mother idiot QaphsieI: im 1/5 because we have a shit top, support, and junler QaphsieI: of 10 that's not good QaphsieI: recover. QaphsieI: bard i havent died until then for the last 23 min.... QaphsieI: ignore me and chase QaphsieI: gg.... nub team doesnt listen to pings and hasnt entire game QaphsieI: wait till you see end game. QaphsieI: lol entire team was there and did nothing. QaphsieI: can blame this game on a fed ez QaphsieI: yeah. he is QaphsieI: you let him free farm entire game

This was a game where I had first pick for mid, and other team counter picked. I had an Ahri vs a Heim I believe. A good heim scatters turrets, and makes it impossible for ahri to really clear them to go in for a kill. So I grabbed smite to smite 1 turret, use Q's to clear others and poke heim. As a reaction, teammates trolled me and started trash talking (as you can see most of what I said was defensive) I ended up 1/5 because Bard did what looked like a "gank" where instead he went in, stood in heim's turrets, and died. Team continued to trash me saying I was behind. (I began blocking them). Bard continued to set up bad plays, but because I was the Smite mid, I recieved the blame. After 1/5, I didn't die again for about 23 min of game. I actually got about 17 assists and 5 more kills in that time. Ez bot ended game some 340 cs and 4 towers, leading to later comments, because bot was spending about 70% time alone and abandoned by Bard. That game was about ...... 8 days ago?

Game 2 QaphsieI: glad im not an AP eve lol QaphsieI: well..... might get echo.... dunno QaphsieI: going sustain vs a vi team QaphsieI: soraka stay on your friggin jinx QaphsieI: why didnt you recall.. QaphsieI: god i wish you guys werent so bad QaphsieI: you're dying under own turret to a champ with 2/3 your range QaphsieI: she only stuns you if you place yourself wrong QaphsieI: lmfao thet hyper feed a poppy QaphsieI: kind of sad considering how she works QaphsieI: you sukc QaphsieI: you are. QaphsieI: xerath sure likes to blame others for a 2 lane hyper feed QaphsieI: that ofc includes him QaphsieI: so did I. my bot and mid just cant secure kills QaphsieI: xerath's stalking me trying to leech my camps QaphsieI: jinx doesnt know that poppy's stuns only occur if she hits a wall QaphsieI: report xerath QaphsieI: god i love the intent feeding bot QaphsieI: and the trolling xerath QaphsieI: with your intent feed? QaphsieI: go ahead QaphsieI: stop pinging me and learn when to ult olaf. QaphsieI: because they are fed dumbass QaphsieI: you should be split pushing QaphsieI: not feeding already fed team QaphsieI: omfg do something QaphsieI: they buffing minions and you arent killing them

This was tonight (the one that got a perma ban)

I ganked bot at level 2, and Jinx yolo fed bot first blood and almost soraka. Why didn't you recall refers to a Top Olaf getting a gank from me under Gnar turret, where we killed Gnar, both got out alive, and then olaf just stood in their jungle for about 2 minutes, and then pretty much stood still while Vi kiled him for shutdown gold.

Meanwhile, bot was Jinx and Soraka vs Poppy and Ashe. Jinx repeated died to Poppy before level 6. By level 6, Poppy was 6/1/6. That bad. I made comments about her being bad in response to that kind of scaling. She replied with some wise remark about how I don't know how poppy works, to which I replied about her not stunning unless you position wrong.

Xerath was laning vs a Karma, which has 2/3 his range. she was housing him in under turret anyways, and stood still for about 4 vi ganks under his own turret. He began attacking me for not ganking him, and blaming me for his bad plays. After his turret goes down, Xerath began stalking me through jungle and when I was about to clear a mob, he began nuking my mobs to starve me of my own jungle. He did this most of the remainder of the game as "revenge" for not ganking him.

The conversation got worse as they continued to engage (and die) vs the champs they already fed instead of split pushing/defending, where Olaf was trying to 1v4 vs champs 3 levels higher than him over and over.

Last comment: our base was dead and minon waves with Karma and Ashe had baron buffs. team made wise remark when I went after the champs and died while they focused waves of buffed minions.

Game 3 QaphsieI: remember.... talon's ult is stronger now QaphsieI: it throws 3 daggers in front of him after he reveals back in and the other knives also hit you. QaphsieI: so dont run in straight line if you know he's running at you QaphsieI: ryze he literally hit you 5 times in a row QaphsieI: without you didging QaphsieI: dodging QaphsieI: sad thing is you're a better cs machine than mundo is QaphsieI: idiot azir QaphsieI: feeding over and over QaphsieI: friggin 5/2 QaphsieI: you counter him QaphsieI: and still feeding QaphsieI: he's hyper fed off you QaphsieI: useless ryze QaphsieI: that's why you dont get ganks QaphsieI: you cant even snare QaphsieI: you do realize ryze and azir, you're the only ones sucking QaphsieI: gotta love the troll ryze QaphsieI: yeah ryze let him free farm even though ryze outfarms a mundo QaphsieI: leona.... wtf QaphsieI: you zenith right past the one whose friggin attacking rather than stunning him QaphsieI: gg nub ass ryze QaphsieI: ryze doesnt know how to chain QaphsieI: you havent done it once all game QaphsieI: report ryze trolling QaphsieI: gg troll ass top and mid

This was about 3 games back. @ Ryze: I ganked Ryze vs a mundo who seemingly he didn't know how to lane or skill against (never saw him chain at all entire game and the post game damage was lowest on team). Anywho, when I ganked, Ryze ran in a straight line taking 5 mundo axes in a row without even trying to avoid. he admitted to it. I know ryze can outclear a mundo, so I was frustrated he was losing so hard mundo could take his turret while he was there with minion waves defending turret.....

Azir fed Talon 5/2 before level 7. I found that frustrating.

Meanwhile, both of them are blaming me for them feeding, because "I don't gank" when in reality, I've ganked all lanes when it was opportune. I had ganked bot about 7 times, and got 3-4 drakes over course of game. I literally couldn't even grind, because every time I fended off one lane push, another lane was losing.

Mundo ended game level 18 with over 340 cs. he was like 9/8/7. I ended game like 11/8/9 with 99 cs level 15. because the snowball was too great.

Do you see anything within these games that looks like language out of line by a magnitude great enough to recieve a perma ban? I understand I need a chat ban. But a perma ban?

9 Comments

DrCyanideNov 27, 20163 votes

I understand I need a chat ban. But a perma ban?

If it is enough to earn you a chat restriction, it's enough to get you permabanned if you continue it enough.

I'm guessing your last punishment was a 2 week ban?

QaphsieINov 27, 20161 votes

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If it is enough to earn you a chat restriction, it's enough to get you permabanned if you continue it enough.

I'm guessing your last punishment was a 2 week ban?

this this get removed?

Yeah. it was.

Back in Early October I got hit with a 2 week for about the same reason. What confuses me is, I have a long list of players I have reported who have given me that message "they received discipline" but an even longer list of those who haven't.

I think it's scary that the community can be as toxic as it is, yet the defensive player who tends to block people over engage in long deconstructive chats, gets severe bans for the the few times he does get out of line. And doesn't get out of line any worse than anyone else on the team. I also am scared that Riot is so willing to heavy hand at this elo, where literally every game is a potential toxic fest. I have a Diamond and a Gold account as well, and I feel honored to play with those players. Playing there vs the elo I am in on this account is like the difference between night and day. I feel Honored to play with Gold III or better players. They are cautious and aware. If you treat them correctly, they make successful teams, and everyone generally has good manners.

In this Elo, it's a catch all for those accounts that have repeated bad behavior, intentional feed, are smurfs which destroy the moral of the players who SHOULD be there, poor skill sets (I understand those, and generally don't get defensive vs them). How can Riot expect people to not defend themselves or to block everyone every single game, when this is an every game experience down there?

Before Preseason, we could at least Block a player after the game, which would affect getting teamed with them in subsequent games. in Preseason with the new skin, you can't even do that. There's no function i'm aware of to filter out the bad players. I used to do that to deal with the frustration. Now, I'm just frustrated I can't do that, and still have these hyper feeders and scapegoaters attacking me and blaming ME for their bad players.

Note: my Plat and Gold Accounts have never had a single disciplinary action against them. However, they also don't have my some $1000 + in Skin purchases and almost every champion/rune earned. They also don't have my Season 4 Victorious skin, which I love.

I'm not willing to say I'm innocent. But I think the punishment is misaligned with the behavior. Chat ban me. but let me play......

MartensiticNov 27, 20162 votes

But I think the punishment is misaligned with the behavior. Chat ban me. but let me play......

They did chat ban you. 2 times to be exact.

And when you refused, they banned you for 14 days to really drive home the message. You even go a written notice that this is your last chance. You refused to change your behaviour. You still insulted people and committed report calling.

Why should they chat ban you and allow you to ruin more games? You have proven to be un-reformable.

QaphsieINov 27, 20161 votes

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They did chat ban you. 2 times to be exact.

And when you refused, they banned you for 14 days to really drive home the message. You even go a written notice that this is your last chance. You refused to change your behaviour. You still insulted people and committed report calling.

Why should they chat ban you and allow you to ruin more games? You have proven to be un-reformable.

Your comments aren't constructive. They are righteous indignation from someone who obviously feels vindicated.

I don't generally start fights, nor do I like conflict.

But, there are two times of year where they rear their ugly head.

Preseason: Players from all elos become a melting pot, and games are lopsided because the games, even AFTER placements are with people of all quality, including platinums. Most of my preseason games actually were with 1-2 Platinums or a Diamond here or there, mixed in with Bronze V's who don't understand why they suddenly fed the other team 20/1 in the first 10 minutes of the game. When that occurs, players do not act as they normally do. The major discrepancy in player skill and behavior really spoils games, and that preseason was rife with it.
The last month and a half of a Season: In the last month and a half of a Season, ranked becomes plagued with smurfs from high tier players who don't want to play their main accounts. Some of them intentionally troll their teams in attempts to stymie their ranking efforts because they don't believe players deserve same tier opponents. Others will snowball teams so fast that like preseason, there is no salvage. Both types spoil the pool of players, and increase reprisal behavior from people who would otherwise be content.

In those times of year, it's fairly easy to accrue complaints. And it's not difficult to get in trouble more than once, because of the spans of time between them.

For example, I said in Early October I got a 2 week ban. My previous action before that was like 3 days in June. Do you realize how long a player's conscience thinks about that little footnote that says: If I get in trouble again, I might put my account in jeopardy? probably a week.

After a week of no reports or warnings or real conflicts, especially with chat bans (the 2 week wasn't followed with a chat ban at all), you begin to feel free to defend yourself against player attacks. You especially feel vindicated, when 3 or more of your teammates, are mean spirited and blame you and scapegoat you as a bad player when in fact it was their decisions that cost them deaths and the game.

I generally play safe and almost never have negative score. Because I have a Diamond V account and a Gold III account, I generally play like Gold I at minimum; aggressive but cautious. I'm willing to gank when it 100% ensures a kill, but not when it's going to either get me killed or take away my next 2 minutes of leveling progression or an objective. Players in Bronze/Silver don't seem to understand that. Players in higher elos do. I can be 12/2/10 16 minutes into a game, and still be attacked by a 0/6 mid and 0/9 bot for "not ganking" and "helping them carry."

How do you feel when at least 2 people in your game are doing hopelessly poor, yet are blaming you for their behavior.

Normally..... I block them. However, sometimes the game throttles into a "play hard or lose easy" situation so fast, I don't really think about blocking them. Likewise, I like to understand exactly why they didn't congregate on an Infernal drake, even though bot just died or mid just recalled, and I pinged the drake 20 times.... so that the next time that event occurs, I have their attention so they will come. If I block them, I can't figure out these motives and 9 times out of 10, they repeat their reasoning for not coming the first time (even when the other team isn't camping or timing it). Sometimes I want to be able to teach them. For example, In that game with a feeding Jinx vs a Poppy: Before I said that poppy's stuns were all about positioning, she was blaming her feed on the fact poppy stuns. She was 9 Deaths when her support only had 2! I clarified to her it's only when she gets wall knocked that she gets stunned. Instead of dying once per minute, she finally began being cautious about those walls. Whereas in the first 12 or so minutes of the game, she fed 9 deaths, she only died 6 more times after I told her that.

I may not have been in a good mood after she fed and the framework could have been better, but if I blocked her, I wouldn't have been able to say that.

So yes. I do feel players put on the verbal abuse defense get a bad wrap. Ironically, they are more prone to being reported as well, because of the allowance of duos and trios in Queues. If there's a solo player to scapegoat, they do it, and they instigate en masse, and then report en masse. And the solo player doesn't know it until post game, because they are too busy playing to realize the people attacking are colluding against them.

I also believe no one is unreformable. I have over 4600 games on my main account; I own all but 5 champions from purely playing and using IP. In 3 years I have literally 4 or so actions taken against me. That's an average of 1 per 6 months with higher volumes of play than about 80% of the population. You do realize.... the more you play, the higher risk of reports and verbal collusion against you.

DrCyanideNov 27, 20162 votes

I've just been skimming your posts, but I'm noticing a few misconceptions.

More reports in a game does absolutely nothing. All reports do is flag your behavior for review. It's designed that way so that premades can't abuse it, so stop thinking it was mass reporting that did anything. Because of that, calling for more reports is seen as counter productive, and is considered negative behavior.
You're not more in danger of losing your account if you play more. Someone who gets a 2 week ban, stops playing for 3 months, and continues as they were before will almost certainly be permabanned, but the guy who plays a lot in that time frame can show he's actually changed. False reports do nothing so why are you so worried about them?
Stop obsessing about your teammates. You think that everyone who never gets a chat restriction doesn't have games with absolutely terrible teammates in them? We do, we just don't obsess about them in game. You claim you want to win? Then learn how to be constructive when giving comments to teammates that are doing terrible, it'll have a significantly higher chance of helping them turn around and be contributing to your team in a meaningful way.
The system has built in forgiveness for occasional outbreaks. Rioters are human too, they didn't build an impossible system. That said, you've constructed a logical fallacy that your past behavior somehow makes your current behavior fine. Driving the speed limit for years doesn't protect me from tickets if I decide to start speeding, and it's the same way with the punishment system.

Your behavior this year has gone down hill enough for you to get a 10 game chat restriction, a 25 game chat restriction, a 2 week ban, and a permaban. It doesn't mean you're a unreformable, but it means you didn't learn from earlier punishments (by your own account, blowing them off after a week). Riot's not going to treat you different than anyone else over that. They tried the permanent chat restriction before, constantly adding chat restrictions to players, with some players getting thousands of games of chat restrictions. It didn't work, so the new system was implemented.

Yeah, it sucks that you lost your account, but avoiding that fate was entirely in your hands.

MartensiticNov 27, 20163 votes

Your comments aren't constructive. They are righteous indignation from someone who obviously feels vindicated.

Neither is your post. Writing longwinded stories doesn't make nonsense better, it just stretches it over a more boring distance.

In those times of year, it's fairly easy to accrue complaints. And it's not difficult to get in trouble more than once, because of the spans of time between them.

Only if you are toxic, and prone to get triggered by things ou don't like.

And if that is the case, then the punishment is well deserved.

Do you realize how long a player's conscience thinks about that little footnote that says: If I get in trouble again, I might put my account in jeopardy? probably a week.

So? Its not the systems problem that you forget so quickly. If a limited suspension can only change your behaviour for the better for a week, then the permanent ban is an inevitable necessity, because it means you are unreformable.

After a week of no reports or warnings or real conflicts, especially with chat bans (the 2 week wasn't followed with a chat ban at all), you begin to feel free to defend yourself against player attacks.

And you think that your personal opinion on what you are allowed to do has any influence on the ruleset? Because, it doesn't.

And it aso doesn't excuse breaking the rules.

I generally play safe

No one, and I mean NO ONE cares how you play. This punishment is about your BEHAVIOUR, not your playstyle.

I like to understand exactly why they didn't congregate on an Infernal drake ... Sometimes I want to be able to teach them

You are not anyones teacher here. If people WANT your advice, they will ask for it. If peole DON'T want your advice, then shoving unwanted advice down their throat because you delude yourself into thinking you are ye'olde sensei, is just toxic.

So yes. I do feel players put on the verbal abuse defense get a bad wrap.

Get this in your head:

#YOUR SO CALLED DEFENSE ACHIEVES NOTHING BUT BREEDS FURTHER TOXICITY!

That is why you get reported. If someone is toxic, YOU MUTE THEM and report them afterwards. Playing teacher, asking for motives, and "defending yourself" makes the game even more toxic for everyone involved.

I also believe no one is unreformable.

Your beliefs don't matter. Facts matter.

Riot experimented with reformation of permabanned players way back, the so called "lvl20 program". Basically, a couple of players, hand picked by the support department (to give a good chance of picking people who are likely to reform) were given the opportunity of getting their accounts back, if they manage to level a new account to 20 in PvP games without being toxic.

You know how many made it? Less than 5%.

It is a proven fact that people who get permabanned, are almost always unreformable in their behaviour.

In 3 years I have literally 4 or so actions taken against me.

A lot of toxics have managed to fly under the radar before the new punishment system.

You do realize.... the more you play, the higher risk of reports and verbal collusion against you.

No, not really, because most people can control themselves. If I get reported in every single game, without saying anything in chat, nothing will happen to me. If I play a thousand games and there is a toxic in every single one, and I never quarrel with them, nothing will happen to me.

You look for excuses for your toxicity, but in the end, it all comes down to a lack of self-control on your part. And that is something the community can, should, and thanks to your ban IS no longer forced to deal with.

MartensiticNov 27, 20161 votes

The same apologetic Bulls* that all other toxics bring forth:

"Its not my fault! I am the victim here! Other people troll me!"

Your post was funny however, because of the "I BELONG IN JALLENJOOOOUR!" Bonus feature :D

anyway, ban deserved.

MUSHROOM MIDGETNov 27, 20161 votes

it sounds like a lot of your frustrations are because you dont undestand matchmaking. in matchmaking EVERYONE loses 50% of their games. so of course any winstreak will be answered by a losing streak. how else would they keep you at 50%?

when you get trolls/feeders they are causing you to lose the game. but they are also helping you to win a future game. every loss gets you a future win. every win will cause a future loss. why would you be mad at them for granting you a future win? as soon be mad at a plat smurf for carrying you to a win and forcing you to take a future loss.

your ranked stats Silver 5 49 LP / 692W 692L Win Ratio 50%

dyrus ranked stats Master 160 LP / 424W 388L Win Ratio 52%

everyone loses 50%. study matchmaking and you will be at peace with it.

OnlyYouCanHearMeNov 27, 20161 votes

Hmm. By your own count, you have played thousands of games. If you only talk like this in a handful of the games, then I would have said a chat restriction was appropriate. But you've already had two chat restrictions and a temporary suspension that don't seem to have convinced you to change the way you communicate with your teammates. Which means you don't do it in just a few games. You do it in many of them. So, I can't in good conscience say that the permanent suspension wasn't warranted. You were warned. Multiple times. And you chose not to change your toxic behavior, knowing full well that the next instance of a report would result in a permanent suspension.

The entire chat log posted is harassing your teammates for their misplays. I count 6 lines out of 3 games that are not actively insulting or criticizing your team, those being the first 3 lines of the last two games, where you are either giving helpful advice, or explaining why you are doing something. You obviously have at least some knowledge of the game mechanics and matchups. Enough to be able to plan strategies going into a match. Perhaps, in the future, you would get better results in your matches if you gave suggestions, but didn't give harassment when the players who don't have that same knowledge can't follow them. If you're playing in bronze, you have to expect your teammates to be bronze. Accept it, and slog your way through. If you're better skilled than bronze, you will climb out of it. If they talk trash, mute them. Part of why people are bronze, is that they spend more time focusing on how their teammates play than how they themselves play.