riot staff complain contact information?

Twisted Spade··1 votes·772 views

Im trying to get a complaint in but the problem is the help desk are a "group" that have no manager (so they claim) and no boss, so they are self governed.. and due to this are refusing to connect me to anyone higher up, claiming theyre a group and everyones equal, nobody is higher up.

So what do I do about this? I need to put in a complaint and they instead just insult me, belittle me and close my requests claiming, Im getting nowhere in 3 months of trying! thats 90 days, dozens of messages and they just ignore me, repeat something off-subject and close my requests... They are NOT doing their job and Id like to report them to someone, but the only people accepting the reports, are the people I'm attempting to report.... so I'm stuck in a loop where for 3 months (over 90 days) I'm getting nowhere with the help desk staff.

I have never felt more like a unwanted customer in any game I've ever paid for by having them to refuse to even talk to me by repeatedly closing my requests, refuse to read what I have to say and reply so far off subject, its like damn I actually regret giving this company my money if I'm treated this poorly and shown I don't matter to your company, your stance seems to be "go away" instead of "lets solve this issue". Its like damn customer service should be there to help the customers, what ever happened to that?

23 Comments

ModThe Djinn1 votes

Riot typically does have a rather flatter organization than many other companies. It's entirely possible that they do NOT have a direct superior.

What's the issue you're trying to resolve?

Twisted Spade1 votes

Its an account related issue that has prevented me from using my account for the past 3 months despite there being no actual ban or restriction on my account.

This is entirely game braking for me, I cannot play.

Yet they refuse to even talk to me about any of this, its madness.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Could you provide some (non personal) information as to what's preventing you from accessing your account, and what player support told you? A little insight from others may help you figure out why PS is telling you what they are so that you can in turn effectively communicate with them.

Twisted Spade1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=s33JA1gg,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-24T02:22:59.517+0000)

Could you provide some (non personal) information as to what's preventing you from accessing your account, and what player support told you? A little insight from others may help you figure out why PS is telling you what they are so that you can in turn effectively communicate with them.

Problem is this year your company has programmed in this false positive "I understand" button as to signal your company that people have reformed when they've clicked it and that they do indeed understand your stances.

I was given a in game chat restriction for a game where I was speaking out verse my support, lulu, who did more level 1 damage then I did so she was able to out last hit me, or early hit the cs so we both lost it to minions, effectively crippling me early game. Somehow me communicating with my team in order to try and correct this was punishable since I told the lulu I was going to report her after game (news to me thats reportable)

I want to be clear however; I have not once asked for my in game chat restrictions to be removed, I actually burned through all of them but 3 or 4 games before I logged off and was unable to log back in. So the problem here is not me asking for a chat restriction to be removed (cuz I simply do not care, I'll take your punishment if I must) but rather the problem I'm having is that your forcing me to click a "I understand" why I'm being punished, but yet the help desk is refusing to talk to me about it, in fact, they repeatedly close my requests where I explain, in great detail, the parts that I don't understand or that are conflicting, they instead just repeatedly tell me "post on reddit, use mute, report after game" as if any of that addresses any of the concerns or conflicts or even the subject of in game griefing (since all 3 do not stop in game griefing)

My issue is, if your company is forcing me to have a understanding of your banning system and what I did morally wrong by putting this forced "I understand" button in front of me, then why is your company also refusing to talk to me about it in order to give me that understanding?

I mean they're telling me to just lie, click it and continue the exact same "toxic" actions I did previously that got me punished since I'm clueless as to what morally I should've done differently since team communication is the only option to solve in game actions... So I'm straight up directly telling your help desk I'm not a reformed player and I'll do the same thing in my next game if it happens again... and thats fine with them, close report?

I see a big problem with this. Is your staff not supposed to be trying to reduce the toxic playerbase instead of willfully sending someone back into the player pool is being clear they will do the same thing again due to them refusing to even reply on subject to change their actions? Its like if they want my actions changed, for their "better" you think they would want to correct my actions, before sending me back into the player pool.. why even have a I understand button if you refuse to give your playerbase the understanding or reply on subject to their concerns about your stances and how they're conflicting or how your suggestions of reporting after game or mute in game do absolutely nothing for in game griefing actions, again the only thing is team communciation, yet its reportable if you do it, reportable if you refuse to do it, but they got mute to protect them if they don't want to hear it so theres no victim.... Yet you got no protection verse their actions or other tools aside of team communication.. This is a pretty backwards stance you guys have where I'm supposed to accept that a support stealing cs is morally okay, but me speaking out about it, asking them to stop and enduring 30-40 mins of horrid, unfun gameplay is somehow my fault cuz I said I would report them in a effort to get them to correct their actions?

This is beyond illogical and due to this nobody has been able to even reply, again the only things I get told are to post on reddit, to mute in game and report after game, repeatedly, even after I address my concerns with these suggestions, they're just re-suggested as if I had never said anything, as if it had not been suggested to me a dozen times previously.

Again I'm getting nowhere, I put the information there, I clearly lay out my concerns and they just overlook it, copy pasta a reply telling me to mute, report after game and post on reddit as if any of that addresses anything I've said or solves the in game griefing actions issue better then in game communication. Its like I've played thousands of games since season 1 across a few different accounts and I use team communication every game... this is the one out of thousands of games where I got punished for it, I think that proves that the success rate of team communication is above 99% where the success rate of reporting after game, reddit after game (or in game? donno lol) or mute in game all have a success rate of 0%, meaning absolutely it will never work to correct in game actions, in fact, acording to your help desk, even saying you'll report someone after the game to try and get them to correct their actions is somehow punishable in itself verse you for saying it.

There is a ton of oxymorons (glaring conflicts) with your stances on some of these subjects and I've tried to skim over a couple of them quickly for you here to give you an idea of why I'm so upset over them refusing to address this and ignoring me repeatedly, this is a legitimate concern and I'm a paying customer, I shouldn't be treated as if I don't matter and ignored after you have my money, thats shady business!

Twisted Spade1 votes

Honestly at this point I just want to report their refusal to do their job to a boss or someone higher then them cuz its obvious the fact that they are a self-governed group without a manager as part of a "team" does not work since they are not accountable for their actions or lack of.

I'd like to get to the core issues here that plague this game, but every time I've brought it up with your help desk (bout once a year for the past 6 years) I've only been met with this kind of ignorance, negativity and straight up repeatedly closing of my help requests.

Obviously the way to get change in the system and to progress our community is not in good hands in the help desk, so I would like to raise above it and put in a complaint to their boss since the problem is not being solved, but rather, I only see more people getting banned, frusterated, ignored and then leaving this game.. like I have, like all my friends who play dota2 who refuse to play league now do.. its like they've all fought this battle with your help desk trying to talk to them about system reform and the conflicts in it but we get nowhere, so we quit, cuz your help desk isn't helping us, but rather, forcing us away from your game like every single player I know who played with me in seasons 1 to 3 who all still play video games, just not YOUR video game cuz your company betrayed us all by ignoring our help requests to point out issues with your game.. cuz your help desk managerless group isn't doing their job properly and needs to be managed by someone, they need to be accountable for their job instead of just collecting checks, doing whatever they want, treating people like peons who don't matter.

Twisted Spade1 votes

"SKELETOR March 17, 2017 11:57 There aren't any managers here, we all have the same authority over the issues."

This is a problem.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

Okay, I'm reading through everything, and I'm going to re-read it just to be sure I understand everything you are saying. But I have two questions before I get too far in.

  1. Are you having a problem actually logging back in? Or were you able to log in, but didn't click the "I understand" and so you haven't been able to play?

  2. Do you still have the email (or a ticket) that has the chat logs that accompanied your chat restriction? If you would be willing to post them here, there are many of us who would be willing to look them over and tell you specifically what in them is considered unacceptable, and could have triggered your chat restriction. It would give you a better understanding of why you were punished, and how to prevent it from happening in the future.

Twisted Spade1 votes

I can log in, but the moment I do a screen pops up forcing me to click "I understand" in order to play, I'm completely locked out.

They told me I was punished for telling the other player, after 20 mins of team communication trying to sort out the issue, that I was going to report them for their actions ruining the game in an attempt to get them to correct themselves.

I'm not looking for you to point out what was said that connected to a infraction of your rules, that doesn't explain anything about any of my concerns or the conflicts around the subject, let me be more detailed I guess... I'm going to copy this directly from my last help desk request since I've repeated myself dozens of times and I don't feel like typing it out again, so if I talk about things you said, I'm talking about your company and the help desk I was previously talking to, not you and the company directly, now.

Lets recap: 1) I'm NOT asking you to remove the in-game chat restrictions. I absolutely do not care about this. 2) I am unable to access my account since your company have forced a "false positive" message in front of me, meaning you want me to click "I understand" as to why I have been punished, when honestly, I have tried very, very hard to explain to your company how I do NOT understand.

This means in order to gain access to my account, the options your leaving me are: A) Lie. Click the "I understand" button despite it not being clear why I'm being punished due to your company inability properly address my issues and concerns surrounding why I was punished to such a point where your companies stance seems to be "blanket ban everyone into shutting up about the toxic servers we have and maybe nobody will notice" instead of actually curing the core issues that are causing your servers to be toxic as fuck, you instead have only increased the punishment. B) Refuse to give you guys the false positive you've programmed into the game to give you a false pat on the back on every click, as if every time someone clicks "I understand" they're some reformed player who gets your backwards stance when the reality is people just click it in order to continue to use their account, this again is a FALSE POSITIVE since they do NOT agree nor understand what your trying to do, since in most cases your again blanket banning everyone in the game for speaking out verse one or two guys trolling despite there being a MUTE function in the game to protect TROLLING PLAYERS but there is no replace player function to protect people from trolling players. This means griefers and trolls have protection from people who speak out aka "try to communicate with their team" (As is punishable if you refuse to) but if you try to communicate with your team and they would rather grief or troll, YOU will be punished for communicating with your team despite there being a mute option if the griefer or troll doesn't want to hear your attempting to communciate with them in order to get a functional non griefing game.

Lets recap the problems: 1) Your banning system targets everyone in the game who speaks up to griefing and trolling players. 2) Your punishment system claims "refusing to communicate with the team" is a punishable offense, however, if you try to communicate with a griefing or trolling player who is refusing to protect themselves from team communication by using the mute function, then you will be punished for communicating. This is a huge problem since your damning your player base either way, your suggesting you should communicate with your team and work together and point out issues to correct them, but then your also saying if the other person doesn't accept what your saying in a positive way or continues to grief or troll then your now opening yourself up for punishment yourself for trying to get the team ahead in the game by speaking up about the issues that are plaguing your team... as any good team mate should.. in any game but league of legends.. 3) Your banning system punishes people who speak out verse griefing and trolling actions just as harshly and savagely as if they where griefing and trolling themselves. Text with mute protection should not be as harshly punished as a griefing players actions since again if someone wants to refuse to communicate with the team you've given them the option to mute all players, where there is no option to boot a player or replace a player in game with someone who is more willing to play or talk with them. So why are you punishing both the same in blanket bans as if they're both just as bad when again, the person actually doing wrong has protection if they don't want to read the text, where as the people typing the text are trying desperately to communciate with their team (as per rules) in order to fix the issue or reply to the griefing player.

This is teaching your player base that your company simply doesn't care about solving the issues of griefing players or trolling players, your stance is clearly to blanket ban everyone into shutting up or get perma banned with increasing punishments. I say this since I've been playing since season one, got my judgement kayle rewards from season one even, so this means I've got enough experience over the years, across multiple accounts that I can actually tell you that nothing has changed aside of harsher punishments and fully 100% mean it due to personally having seen nothing change in all these years aside of any players who want to type in game to try and communicate with their team will eventually rage quit the game due to your punishments or they will get perma banned and restricted to hell to the point where they no longer want to play.

Again the majority of my season one friends still play video games, all of them do, some even play dota2. Why don't they play league anymore? Cuz you betrayed them by banning them along with every griefer and troll that they spoke up verse despite that same griefer and troll having mute protection if they didn't want to hear them trying to communicate with their team. You let them down by increasing the punishments on text as if they're the same as griefing or trolling actions that CAUSE the text to even be typed. Instead of dealing with the core issues, the CAUSE, you just want to cut off the effect and do damage control, its a bad plan and I've watched many of my friends leave your game due to this reason, not just first year players, but players who have played longer then a year or two they see what your system really is and they see how its never going to change, your never going to fix it or address it, your just going to treat people like me who beg you to do something about it as if we're criminals that have done something so heinous by speaking up even tho there is a mute function that we are now unwanted customers cuz you have a flood of first year people who pay your bills you don't need us anymore, or anyone cuz you got the new fan base coming in.

TLDR: If team communication is the only solution to correct player actions (cuz reporting after game and mute in game does not effect player action) and its punishable if you refuse to communicate with team AND there is a mute function to protect themselves, then why are you blanket banning your community along with griefing players for speaking out verse them when again they are making the choice to continue to hear your team communication, that is punishable if you refuse to do.. that they have mute if they don't want to hear.. So what am I doing morally wrong by speaking out verse them, saying absolutely anything, if they have mute and if its punishable if I refuse to communicate with my team? How am I supposed to be a reformed player when your stance and offered solutions of reporting after game and mute in game do not actually equal a solution, ever, where as the solution I've been punished for, team communication, has over 99.9% success rate, yet your company treats team communication just as bad as in game negative actions... text=actions.. preventable with mute=nonpreventable actions with anything but team communication.

Again how am I supposed to feel as if I am doing anything morally wrong when its the only thing that works and the suggestions I'm being offered do not, ever, work?

There obviously needs to be some system reform here, but since your help desk is governed by themselves and there is no manager or overseer of this, nothing will change, they just repeatedly punish people for retarded reasons without even looking at the bigger picture, they just look at a one sided text of everything they said and pick out a couple lines and say "punish him for that" its ill-logical and its not how this system is ever going to be fixed, this is not how you reduce a toxic community, by punishing people who speak out verse ill-actions, your teaching people to be okay with ill-actions and accept it as normal or be punished by you for speaking out verse it... its wrong and your falling your comunity soooooo hard by continuing to do this despite dozens of people I know bring'n this up with you, despite me bring'n it up many, many times, bout once a year in fact, yet we're ignored and treated like we have a problem for seeing the issues with the system to the point we quit the game... and your help desk is okay with that.. instead of keeping a older playerbase alive who cares about the game, they prove to them your company doesn't care, so they leave, play dota2. I know a couple dozen of my friends who I used to play with in seasons 1-3 all now play dota2 and flame on you guys, hard, worst PR ever, commenting on alot of the same issues I am, that your help desk is worthless and doesn't care about its playerbase, that your punishment system is dated and needs work and that your stance is to blanket ban everyone into shutting the fuck up about your toxic servers cuz you have no real legitimate way to address the in game griefing actions, feeding or trolling or even detect or know for sure they are actually doing it unless you look at the text, so you use text as law for game when it should be actions of whos fucking with the game instead of whos speaking out verse the guy fucking with it.

ModUlanopo3 votes

Your banning system targets everyone in the game who speaks up to griefing and trolling players.

"Fighting back" is not acceptable when it adds to toxicity.

MUTE, REPORT, MOVE ON

Twisted Spade1 votes

""Fighting back" is not acceptable when it adds to toxicity."

Who said fight back? Did you just put words in my mouth?

Nobody said fight back.

I'm saying TEAM COMMUNICATION yakno words you installed that fancy mute function for?

"MUTE, REPORT, MOVE ON"

I'm glad you repeated the rito mantra, this is what everyone says and is what I am actually addressing. This is the problem, your mantra of "MUTE, REPORT, MOVE ON" not addressing any in game actions.

As I clearly explained in my above post, MUTE does not stop player in game actions, ever, it has a ZERO SUCCESS RATE of changing the players actions. ZERO SUCCESS RATE.

Lets go on to your 2nd suggestion, again glad you brought this up :) REPORT! The only way to report is AFTER THE GAME IS ALREADY OVER so this has ZERO EFFECT on in game actions, this means it has a ZERO SUCCESS RATE of changing the players actions. ZERO SUCCESS RATE.

Lets go onto your 3d suggestion! This ones a new one, you are the first person to suggest "move on"! I like it tho! However I see some flaws with it; since your punishment system will punish you if you just simply leave the game or afk, so you can't just move on with your life, your company is forcing your player base to endure this UNFUN & NEGATIVE gameplay actions for fear of punishment from your company. Alternatively if you mean "move on" and don't say anything in game while silently enduring it, this again has a ZERO SUCCESS rate of fixing the players actions and you would just be stuck enduring UNFUN & NEGATIVE gameplay for fear of being punished for speaking out verse the players actions, or leaving the game, so you silently endure it hoping the player magically stops what they are doing without you bring'n it to their attention? ZERO SUCCESS RATE

So we've gone over your 3 suggestions and as we can clearly see they all end in ZERO SUCCESS RATE.

Lets try mine?

Team communication; out of the thousands of games I've played across many accounts I got this one report of a failed attempt at team communication, so we'll call that one a FAIL okay? So Failing team communication is possible. However I've played many, many games in many situations, sometimes seemingly unwinable, but you tell your team never surrender, never give up and to follow you in.. sometimes it works. Team communication is powerful, I cannot count the amount of games where I pointed something out to someone or gave them a suggestion or told them to correct a action and it fixed our problem, we even won over it in alot of cases. I would dare say team communication then has a 99.9% or higher success rate. 99.9% SUCCESS RATE.

I've learned tricks over the years to increase the success rate of team communication, such as telling players you love them before delivering suggestions, or calling them "bae". I have tried my hardest over the years to find ways to have better reactions to legitimate suggestions and team communication since it is the only thing I have found that works for in game player actions.

Again I've been playing since season one, so when I say its the ONLY thing that has EVER solved in game player actions, I honestly mean it with some good experience behind it across multiple accounts and elo.

ModUlanopo3 votes

Again I've been playing since season one, so when I say its the ONLY thing that has EVER solved in game player actions, I honestly mean it with some good experience behind it across multiple accounts and elo.

This is an Appeal to Authority. To respond, I have been playing since season one also and have been participating in the old Tribunal Bans and Inquiries forum since its inception. In fact, the "MUTE, REPORT, MOVE ON" mantra you attempt to dismiss was not developed by Riot and has never been used by them. It was developed by Jubbinaut and I back in the heyday of the TBI.

So we've gone over your 3 suggestions and as we can clearly see they all end in ZERO SUCCESS RATE.

They have a much greater than zero success rate at helping you keep your account.

I've learned tricks over the years to increase the success rate of team communication, such as telling players you love them before delivering suggestions, or calling them "bae".

That's fine, but it's irrelevant to the conversation. Your argument was that the IFS and other behavior systems unfairly target people who "speak up". No one cares if you "speak up", as long as you do so without adding to toxicity.

Twisted Spade1 votes

"THE 0RPHAN Today at 18:10 Hi,

It looks like we've already addressed your issue Just like we mentioned there, we can't offer anything else for your situation. It's been looked into and any subsequent tickets about this issue will just refer to that ticket.

Bye!

The 0rphan Riot Games Player Support Morgana Support

This request is closed for comments. You can create a follow-up."

"THE 0RPHAN Today at 18:12 Hi,

It looks like we've already addressed your issue on ticket Just like we mentioned there, we can't offer anything else for your situation. It's been looked into and any subsequent tickets about this issue will just refer to that ticket.

Bye!

The 0rphan Riot Games Player Support Morgana Support

This request is closed for comments. You can create a follow-up."

"AURELISE Yesterday at 16:38 Hey Summoner,

It looks like your chat restriction was thoroughly discussed. Since we have already given context to the matter and stated that there isn't anything more we can do for you, we will consider the matter closed.

Aurelise Riot Games Player Support Ahri ♡

This request is closed for comments. You can create a follow-up."

"DEME LOVATO March 24, 2017 15:23 Hey Twisted,

My name's Deme Lovato and I'm here to take over for Princess Bubblegum. I can see that this is definitely something that you are very passionate about, however, as of right now, Player Support is not the portal to discuss your suggestions. If you would like to communicate your thoughts about our Instant Feedback System, I would highly suggest you discuss this on the Boards, which you can find below:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous

In terms of your concerns in this ticket, I feel like we've already given you enough of our thoughts on the matter and, at this point, it feels like we've been running around in circles. I personally feel for your situation and I do wish you the best of luck. As there seem to be no other concerns, this ticket will now be closed.

Deme Lovato Riot Games Player Support Diana Main

This request is closed for comments. You can create a follow-up."

Sooooo here I am! Cuz I tried to make a post in feedback and they closed it and told me to post here, so I'm posting here.

ModUlanopo2 votes

I mean they're telling me to just lie, click it and continue the exact same "toxic" actions I did previously that got me punished since I'm clueless as to what morally I should've done differently since team communication is the only option to solve in game actions... So I'm straight up directly telling your help desk I'm not a reformed player and I'll do the same thing in my next game if it happens again... and thats fine with them, close report?

That's not what they're there for. That's what we're here for.

Part of the reason for this is that everything said by someone at Riot tends to be (mis)interpreted as some sort of rule from on high. For example, "maybe you could try talking a little less" morphs into a long gotcha rantpost about how you can get banned just for talking. Providing any sort of advice of the type you're requesting tends to backfire, so they generally avoid providing it.

Hence the PB&M.

Twisted Spade1 votes

{quoted}

That's not what they're there for. That's what we're here for.

Part of the reason for this is that everything said by someone at Riot tends to be (mis)interpreted as some sort of rule from on high. For example, "maybe you could try talking a little less" morphs into a long gotcha rantpost about how you can get banned just for talking. Providing any sort of advice of the type you're requesting tends to backfire, so they generally avoid providing it.

Hence the PB&M.

I'll make it short and sweet for you then.

"Requesting riot staff complaint contact information for help desk."

Or the manager, cuz its like skeletor is telling me they are all part of a group and equals, no manager.

Where as princess bubblegum is telling me "of course we have a manager" but refused to connect me with them, then closes my help request without commenting on anything or giving me the requested manager.

SecondAirbane1 votes

lol i cant help reading your message voicing like a mexican im sorry lol just gimme a sec

ok so you should goop to the help desk and com-.. plain about the tissue

(this is just a meme please dont hurt me)

Twisted Spade1 votes

I'm for sure not mexican lol...

But yeah... Help desk... to get help about the help desk.. Been a rough circle cuz its like they dont have a manager and they govern themsevles as a group of equals so they have no accountability or need to address anything.

Pretty lame to deal with honestly.

DrCyanide1 votes

First - The guy you're replying to (Deep Terror Nami) does not get a paycheck from Riot. He's a volunteer on the boards who has a blue name because he likes helping out a lot. They took away his blue name, he still keep helping people, they gave it back.

Second - http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--QcpBF_U3--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/omp5lwsw1ykgixwl744j.jpg

I'm not even sure if you have a technical problem preventing you from logging in or a personal problem preventing you from clicking the button.

"I won't be a jerk" is what you're expected to accept, can you accept it?

Twisted Spade1 votes

I got no problem with (Deep Terror Nami), I think its great he volunteers and earned his tag by helping people in his free time but honestly; that just farther proves my issue with the company. If the help desk has no manager, no boss, no accountability.. your telling me I'm supposed to get my accountability out of some volunteer board people? I kinda feel like they're just trying to shrug me off and write me off without addressing anything.

Most of my "paycheck" comments are about rito staff thats been dodge'n me for the past 3 months heavily on this subject, obviously not any volunteers here who have to clean up after them.

This is a subject I also bring up about once a year and get this same bs run around so I normally just drop it, but this time its like damn I've already brought this up with you guys across at least 4-5 years and you STILL are not addressing any of these oxymorons to the point where your community is straight up leaving your game cuz the help desk refuses to address any of these issues we see with the system... its just easier to say fuck it, move on and play dota2 like all my season 1-3 friends have.

"talk too much"

What are you a mid generation teenager?

I'm 29 dude, an adult, we use words and details to explain our issues not fancy memes.

What do you do with all your saved time of using pictures instead of words and short form everything?

Go pick up a book. lol

Learn to read instead of being so short minded you can't read anything longer then a meme you mindlessly scroll by a million times a day.

But here I got you "fam" its gona be "lit" just wait for this comment, 10 words or less, just for you okay:

"Requesting riot staff complaint contact information for help desk."

Word to spare even.

DrCyanide2 votes

I'm only a year younger than you, pointing out your comments lost their focus.

Yes, adults use words, but they also know that making their points clear and concise is a vital skill in today's world. You diverted into so many side points and issues that any argument you were trying to make got lost.

Twisted Spade1 votes

{quoted}

I'm only a year younger than you, pointing out your comments lost their focus.

Yes, adults use words, but they also know that making their points clear and concise is a vital skill in today's world. You diverted into so many side points and issues that any argument you were trying to make got lost.

Alright? I'm not asking you to help me, your not staff and your not giving me complaint contact information for riot staff so honestly what are you doing here aside of trolling me for your own inability to read something longer then a meme?

IF your not here to help or add something constructive; go away.

Twisted Spade1 votes

What part of:

"Requesting riot staff complaint contact information for help desk."

Is confusing to you?

You have my attention.

DrCyanide1 votes

That part's not confusing. What's confusing is the rest of your comments. You describe your situation like there's a bug or a problem with the system, yet at other time you describe it like "I don't understand how not to be a jerk, so I can't click 'I understand'".

Did it ever occur to you there might not be a phone number to contact?

Twisted Spade1 votes

Sure there might not be a phone number (never asked for one)

But there should be a email, or contact information of some kind.

Or that staff member taking over my case instead of one telling me they are a group with no manager and all have equal powers, while another says of course they got a manager but refuse's to connect me with them.

The bug is the system, it doesn't work, their stances are conflicting such as punishment for refusing to communicate with the team verse punishing you if you actually communicate with your team for nearly anything such as simply stating your going to report someone after the game. There is even Mute function to protect people so again this is a extremely conflicted stance here when your told the only ways to fix in game actions of griefing or trolling is to..... Use "Mute" (it doesnt work/doesnt effect players actions) or you can report after game (again doesnt work/doesnt effect players actions) hell you can't even tell them your going to report them.

The reality is team communication is the ONLY way to fix in game actions, but you will never see someone from riot suggest this, they will instead tell you to mute and report after game, they want you to silently endure it instead of talking about it... or even leaving, you can't leave the game or they punish you for that too. Its a really backwards unfun stance that punishes your playerbase more then the troll or griefer.

This system is not working and no reform is going to be made like this when the help desk is not accountable for their work of continuing to put trolls and griefers back into the system.

There is obviously a problem with the system when 4-5 punishments can come out of a game due to 1-2 trolling or griefing players actions turning into team communication that gets everyone punished for trying to deal with the problem of griefing or trolling players actions.... in a high stress situation...

I personally think the system is bugged and heavily flawed if griefing and trolling players who are silent are totally legitimate, while people speaking out verse them, are not... Thats a serious problem and if theres no way to address this or fix it or get staff on it, then the problem will never be fixed and nothing will ever be done about it.

I honestly think they are aware of this but just simply have no solution for it since theres no way to see in game actions, only read the after game chat, this is why you guys report based upon game text instead of in game actions (aside of int feeding) but even that is all based upon after-game stats and text.. this is a heavily flawed system for correcting in game actions due to it never addressing in game actions, but rather, only addressing after game stats and text.

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