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Off Meta Supporting - Should I Be Worried?

Galacius··2 votes·1,234 views

GALACIUS Today at 04:41 First I would like to say good morning! I am a support player and some people call me a support main. I normally play on meta champions, but sometimes I don't and play Ahri, Jhin, Lissandra, and Ashe in the support role. There are times where I don't build a sight stone and time I do. I roam around lanes to see if I can help, but recently there's been a problem with a Singed Support player going off meta, roaming, and not building sightstone. I looked at the forum posts from Wuks and the community, but now I'm scared to even do my offmeta picks due to the possibility of getting reported and banned. I even had a game where my twitch adc complained about my Lissandra pick.

Can I have a stance on this and what exactly I can and can't do? As it is I find the meta to be boring and I want to "spread my wings" and help out other lanes too.

Thank you for your time.

That's my ticket I sent in to riot support. For those who know me I am Galacius in-game. I started in S5 and I have been a support/jungle main ever since. My MMR/Elo is Silver and ever since I started I just found the meta to be boring and unfun. Any time I play a game I play to entertain myself. With that being said, I have goon with off meta supports before and just yesterday I fought against a J4 adc lux sup vs. me as vayne and ivern sup. It's getting to the point now where I don't know what I can get away with as far as support goes. I mean... I am waiting for the game where I pick lissandra and my adc wants to report me b/c they read about the singed issue. I both agree and disagree that the community is overly toxic. Hell, I had a game where I thought someone was trolling and they thought I was trolling, but it turned out we both were wrong and wanted to help each other. We had our "toxic walls" up assuming that everybody in this game wants to troll you. My point is... I don't know what's going to happen in the future with the meta and I don't necessarily condone that Singed's actions (some of the things he does I like and others I don't), but I just want to play the game and have fun. Not be report farmed b/c someone dislikes my pick.

26 Comments

LostFr0st3 votes

He didn't get banned for off-meta or such, he was banned for lack of helping his team out or even interacting with them, while limiting their resources so it was harder for them to get somewhere in the game.

This post was actually super helpful in me better understanding the singed's situation, I think it'll help you for context too^^ http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZIdZercE-singed-guy-is-getting-rightfully-penalized

Galacius1 votes

I read that post and I posted a response (somewhere in here) of things he did that I liked and things I didn't.

LostFr0st1 votes

You should be fine then.
He was warned a ton of times so far, so if you're not getting warned then you're clearly not in the same boat^^

Galacius2 votes

I'm on a mobile device. Hard to edit errors. Sorry :P

N Pelosi2 votes

Yes. You will be banned by weight of reports eventually.

Galacius2 votes

That's the problem I have. I have a friend who always complains about the meta and people being "slaves to the meta". We're good friends, because we share the idea that the meta, at times, is "stupid" or unforgiving. Applying the meta to real life work force, the work force has a "meta" or a specific way of doing things. That way may be good or bad. Every person has the potential to come up with a good idea on how to help or hinder a company. That idea or creativity is what makes people unique. When you stifle creativity you create robots or people who feel that their opinion doesn't matter anymore. Coming back to LoL, I will argue that has happened here. Supports, in my opinion, are getting to the point where we just don't want to play the role anymore. We can't be creavtive or have fun. We're stuck there forced to help someone that may be fantastic or completely terrible.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

{quoted}

We're stuck there forced to help someone that may be fantastic or completely terrible.

That's what "support someone" means tho

Galacius1 votes

Right, but as a support we support the entire team not just one person. That's what sightstone is for, sweeper, and the multitude of support items that exist.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

Meta goals for support in order:

  1. Support adc
  2. Vision control
  3. Roam help other lanes
  4. Red/Blue buff control
Galacius1 votes
  1. Vision Control
  2. Support ADC
  3. Roam

Buff control is mostly for JGs who give them out to people.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

Support adc comes in first, check any high elo game. Supports also control the nearest buff of the enemy jungle and help stop invades.

N Pelosi1 votes

Maybe to you. To me it means supporting the achievement of a common goal, winning. How I go about doing that is up to me.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

and thats why you are silver.

N Pelosi1 votes

Or I could be because I don't actually play the game on this account unless I'm trolling with my bronze buddy who's been perma banned 3 times. And I'm bad so silver is about the best I can do while trolling.

Zach Sandwhich2 votes

As long as your not ruining the game for four other people you should be fine.

Singed support guy wasnt banned for playing off meta he was banned for ruining four other people's game over and over again despite warnings.

Galacius1 votes

I watched the videos and read the posts. Some of the things he did (counter jungling, zz in lanes, and banner) I liked. However others such as leaving lane too long, taking cs, and letting the adc die I didn't agree with.

Zach Sandwhich1 votes

{quoted}

I watched the videos and read the posts. Some of the things he did (counter jungling, zz in lanes, and banner) I liked. However others such as leaving lane too long, taking cs, and letting the adc die I didn't agree with.

Counter Jungling (At the beginning at least to get their jungled behind by stealing blue/gromp), is pretty good, but when you do what he does and leave for a long time and let's the ADC get zoned out of CS, that is detrimental to the team and tilts your own ADC.

I myself use ZZ rot to push side lanes while I group with our team. Taking CS is just, no. Your job is so simple just don't take the CS lol.

Leaving the ADC in my own honest opinion is fine, but only when they got themselves into the situation, and you have a 0% chance of getting both of you out alive. Like if your playing Thresh, just throw your lantern, or more specifically with your Ashe, you could ult the enemy to get your ADC into a safe spot. But if your ADC is diving Tier 2 turret and the jungle is behind them, with both enemy laners in front of your ADC, just leave him.

Roaming is also completely fine, as long as your not becoming a second jungler and just farming jungle like the Singed guy. I roam mid all the time, and in extremely weird circumstances I'll even go top for a bit.

Mimy1 votes

I'm an off meta person.. Is it cool I add you as friend?

:3

Galacius1 votes

That's fine! I have college work to do, so I won't accept it for a little while.

elduris1 votes

As others have said, the Singed player was banned for not communicating with his team when playing an off-meta role, not for playing Singed support. I play off-meta support all the time (well, I consider Vel'Koz to be off meta anyway) and my team's fine with it because I OK it with them first. It's all about communication. If your team doesn't mind Ashe/Ahri support then by all means, go ahead and play it.

Galacius1 votes

Let me ask this then. What's the best way to communicate it? The singed player gave a paragraph, but there are times I say nothing at all and if my team complains I say give me a chance. Would it be best to pick what I want to play and say "hey I want to play this please follow up and we got it?"

Edit: What is the best way to communicate your intention? I want to play my off meta and most likely I will anyway, but what is the best way to communicate that so everybody is happy?

elduris1 votes

In my experience, a copy paste paragraph is not communication. You just need to ask your team if they'd be OK with it and if not, then don't play it.

warpenguin5551 votes

ok. As somebody who has played a good chunk on the roster mid lane, the pick alone is not going to ban you. That I can say from personal experience. As long as you are actually playing support you won't get banned. I had a longer post ready but I am also posting on mobile. It really is the fucking worst isn't it

Kei1431 votes

don't need to be worried about off meta. Need to worry about causing a negative environment, especially grey area cases such as the singed support as mentioned.

MegaV78G871 votes

You should be fine as long as the off meta pick makes logical sense and you aren't trolling. Almost anything works in lower elos but not as well in higher elos. I say if it works well, more than 50% of the time, and you like it then play it. Though you might want to explain to the meta nazis why your off meta pick works.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

You shouldn't be worried. No one has ever been banned for playing "off meta". No one. It's when your behavior isn't acceptable over and over in multiple games that actions taken. Playing an odd champion for the role isn't a problem. Causing your team to endure a 4v5 because you're doing things that specifically hurt the team and are generally accepted as harassment and troll behavior after multiple warnings to stop doing it is a problem. Playing Garen support or Ashe jungle isn't a problem (I've made both work) but trolling people and harassing their play isn't acceptable.

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