Permabanned? i'm not angry, just dissapointed.

Gentleman Cho··5 votes·1,609 views

Let's be clear, i fully deserve the ban and i have no intentions of fighting back and trying to get my account unbanned. But i want to share with you guys something. i have spent around 2,100$ on league of legends. yeah i know i could buy a damn CAR with that much LOL! but that's not the point; i'll get to that in a second. with the 2,100$ i enjoyed countless hours of league of legends skins and all i could imagine and it was great. riot your game is AMAZING i love it. the competitivity, the skill cap on certain champions, the decision making, everything. except for one thing. The community. the community has absolutely ruined the game for me. It's hard for me to believe you guys accept the people who provoke toxicity from other players and then push out the players who have been provoked. I was one of those people; yes ME! and i know some comments are going to say "well you deserved it, the permaban is only after so many bans and once you get to that point it shows that you are not capable of changing" but heres the thing - i don't need the changing; the COMMUNITY DOES! i mean come on think about it. Riots expecting people to carry on with the game when someones running around with you stealing your farm in the jungle or running around telling people your location and NOT fight back when they talk crap about how you play? you can't be serious can you riot? i mean the rules state that there should be NO destructive/negative actions/attitudes and yet when there is any sort of evidence of that they have their robot system detect "keyword phrases" to ban "toxic players". its completely unfair and unjust and i just wish that a great game would have a great company behind it. you can't just expect people to put up with intentionally aggravating people when they're doing and saying crap to RUIN the game, and then ban them when they talk back. it just isn't fair. i've played this game since season 2 so in all honesty theres one thing that riot never seems to mention. People tend to get cranky. they're PEOPLE ffs i mean please we're HUMAN. we are not systems; we are not a perfect community (by any means); we are the league of legends community and its only like this because of how YOU'VE set it up to be. you want so much perfection, no this, no that, and when someone slips up and gets punished you expect them to behave like little children. well after so many years/months putting up with the same toxic community and same absolutely hideous atmosphere in ranked; WE SLIP UP! obviously the rules want perfection, but i'm pretty sure the community wants otherwise. we WANT to be able to talk shit in a videogame. we WANT to be able to tell our teammates to fuck off when they're being an asshole. and we WANT to tell our teammates to stop when they're flaming/intentionally assisting the other team. it just doesn't work the way you want it to riot. like christ when someones running down mid in your promos to DIAMOND the one thing in the game you've been working towards for years, you can't expect someone to sit there and take it calm headed. we only have so much time to play this damn game and we hate having it wasted by scumbags ruining the experience.

so yeah, my suggestion as a common (previous) league player, change the way you punish people so that it promotes a good healthy atmosphere and puts down provoking players. because right now its if someone provokes you, you just take it and wait until end of the game to report them. but meanwhile in the game keep a cool head while they deliberately ruin your experience; and thats just not right (imo).

maybe my logic is flawed, but this is definitely what i want and i'm 99% sure you guys do too. if there is any change maybe i'll start a new account but until then i'm saying goodbye to league of legends. great game, horrible punish system and community.

i rate 3/5

50 Comments

Karunamon10 votes

Welp. Time to reset it.

http://imgur.com/15NNNuC

xXRaichopXx1 votes

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ModUlanopo6 votes

so yeah, my suggestion as a common (previous) league player, change the way you punish people so that it promotes a good healthy atmosphere and puts down provoking players. because right now its if someone provokes you, you just take it and wait until end of the game to report them. but meanwhile in the game keep a cool head while they deliberately ruin your experience; and thats just not right (imo).

That's your opinion - and you're entitled to it - but "he provoked me" isn't going to become a valid excuse any time soon. League is like a movie theater: if two people get into a screaming match, the other customers don't care who started it.

we WANT to be able to talk shit in a videogame. we WANT to be able to tell our teammates to fuck off when they're being an asshole. and we WANT to tell our teammates to stop when they're flaming/intentionally assisting the other team.

That's what you want.

Gentleman Cho2 votes

{quoted}

That's your opinion - and you're entitled to it - but "he provoked me" isn't going to become a valid excuse any time soon. League is like a movie theater: if two people get into a screaming match, the other customers don't care who started it.

That's what you want.

we WANT to be able to tell our teammates to fuck off when they're being an asshole. and we WANT to tell our teammates to stop when they're flaming/intentionally assisting the other team.

Magical Player10 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentleman Cho,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pyg9tHoi,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-01-18T05:45:54.102+0000)

we WANT to be able to tell our teammates to fuck off when they're being an asshole. and we WANT to tell our teammates to stop when they're flaming/intentionally assisting the other team.

I don't want to associate with anyone who is feeding. So I don't want this, nor do I want others to start flaming because someone is doing bad. Does my opinion matter?

Jorencice2 votes

No. According to the vocal minority your opinion is worthless.

People who dont think retaltion is okay (or just doesnt want to listen to it) are 12 year old tumblrinas who are all bronze 5 and need to get off the internet.

If it means anything i agree with you.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pyg9tHoi,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-01-18T05:48:54.151+0000)

I don't want to associate with anyone who is feeding. So I don't want this, nor do I want others to start flaming because someone is doing bad. Does my opinion matter?

there's a difference between doing bad and intentionally feeding my dude

Ambient Snow2 votes

Ok gotta agree with main poster here..

Back when this game came out even Phreak said trash talking was ok

The issue is People don't know the LIMIT of trash talk..

people see that line of ok enough is enough and just charge past it

taunting is one thing..

Telling some one You are Screwing them like they did your mom last night

that's a different.

And that's the issue with it..

You can trash talk in this game and taunt.

But you need to know when to stop and when enough is enough and when you've gone WAAAAY to far which so many don't .

swordofsun2 votes

But you need to know when to stop and when enough is enough and when you've gone WAAAAY to far which so many don't .

Which is why, I think, it's just being banned across the board. The League community clearly can't handle trash talk. There is a fine line between trash talk and harassment and it's too hard for most of the community to see.

Pantheon Forever2 votes

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That's your opinion - and you're entitled to it - but "he provoked me" isn't going to become a valid excuse any time soon. League is like a movie theater: if two people get into a screaming match, the other customers don't care who started it.

That's what you want.

Many of us would prefer to shit talk rather then be reduced to this broken tattle tale system of reporting. If someone starts to do something that's going to ruin the game I don't want them banned I want to share them my uncensored thoughts. I have been playing video games since arcades we're new. Every time I went to a 2 player machine for any game me and my adversary whether friend or stranger would pop off at the mouth. No one was offended it was part of the game. For fucks sake even when I go to the park or gym and play basketball the same shit talking atmosphere is a standard. Can you even imagine a world where you are playing "mortal kombat" and you rip someones head off "fatality" and don't tell them immediately something you shouldn't say in church/school? We are playing a game about killing and you can say most cuss words but if anyone feels offended we immediately switch to a politically correct stance?

http://imgur.com/a/TdSWp

I do not agree with the league community that seems to act like the people in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7CgWH8jX4

TrulyBland1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pantheon Middle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pyg9tHoi,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2017-01-19T02:05:01.144+0000)

2 player machine [...] park or gym [...] basketball [...] "mortal kombat"

All examples where people can read your body language and judge the tone of your voice. Look at the simple phrase "fuck you" and think about the various ways you have probably heard that phrase being said to you. All of them share the exact identical words, but differ completely in terms of seriousness.

Trash talk is absolutely acceptable in LoL. I've seen plenty of examples of people trash talking without being reported, and I chime in very readily as well. The thing is, however, that you cannot trash talk via chat the same way you can in real life. You need to be more mindful of the alternative ways people might view what you are saying.

And even if it sounds unfair, but the moment anybody reports you for your trash talk you were ultimately not being clear enough.

Think about it like an extremely racist joke. You might not be serious about it and only enjoy it because you like the cleverness of the joke... but if you want to tell it to others, you will probably first make sure people actually share your humour.

Anomander4 votes

You knew the rules. You ignored multiple warnings. You deserve your ban.

gets punished you expect them to behave like little children.

No Riot expects the person to have learned from the previous warnings and to have self responsibility for their own actions like a mature individual.

right now its if someone provokes you, you just take it and wait until end of the game to report them

Mute. Report. Move on.

Muting prevents further harm to yourself.

Reporting help prevent harm to others.

Moving on is just good for your self and others.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

Yeah and what about intent feeders? people who do things ingame

Anomander5 votes

What about them?

They get punished as well.

Just report and move on. I know it sucks to have to deal with it for that one game. But that is no excuse to lower yourself to the gutters. As long as you are reporting people who deserve it they will eventually get banned for their behavior. It also help to leave a note detailing the behavior so in cases of Int/trolling it is a lot easier for the case to be reviewed.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

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What about them?

They get punished as well.

Just report and move on. I know it sucks to have to deal with it for that one game. But that is no excuse to lower yourself to the gutters. As long as you are reporting people who deserve it they will eventually get banned for their behavior. It also help to leave a note detailing the behavior so in cases of Int/trolling it is a lot easier for the case to be reviewed.

Yeah so we just sit there as they ruin the game until we can report them afterwards which may/may not lead to their inevitable ban and they continue playing after that.

Anomander3 votes

Yeah so we just sit there as they ruin the game until we can report them afterwards which may/may not lead to their inevitable ban and they continue playing after that.

If they create a history of doing it they will eventually get banned.

Gentleman Cho2 votes

{quoted}

If they create a history of doing it they will eventually get banned.

And yet it is not enough to get them to stop.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentleman Cho,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pyg9tHoi,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-18T02:24:43.140+0000)

And yet it is not enough to get them to stop.

especially in the game.

Kitty Cat Tosha4 votes

so do you think flaming encourages them to stop or encourages them to continue?

Gentleman Cho1 votes

{quoted}

so do you think flaming encourages them to stop or encourages them to continue?

i shouldn't be put in the position in the first place. and afterall i'm not perfect.

TrulyBland2 votes

Just because you shouldn't be put into a certain position does not mean you cannot be judged for the way you handle it.

Kitty Cat Tosha2 votes

In life you will often face situations you do not like, that may or not may be beyond your control, but you have to deal with anyway.

If you play an online multiplayer game, it's the same.

You cannot choose what life throws in your path, but you DO choose how you handle and resolve it. In this particular case, by reacting the way you did, you'd only make it worse for the rest of your team and yourself. Try a different approach next time. Learn from this and be better next time.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

{quoted}

In life you will often face situations you do not like, that may or not may be beyond your control, but you have to deal with anyway.

If you play an online multiplayer game, it's the same.

You cannot choose what life throws in your path, but you DO choose how you handle and resolve it. In this particular case, by reacting the way you did, you'd only make it worse for the rest of your team and yourself. Try a different approach next time. Learn from this and be better next time.

Except for a company to make a working game they have to correspond to the consumers wants????

Gentleman Cho1 votes

and it's not "you're wrong if you say that after being punished i should learn my lesson" but more of "these guys are attacking us and theres no way to stop it; also it doesn't seem like i should be the one punished for doing this in reply to this"

Gentleman Cho1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentleman Cho,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pyg9tHoi,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-01-18T02:15:40.375+0000)

and it's not "you're wrong if you say that after being punished i should learn my lesson" but more of "these guys are attacking us and theres no way to stop it; also it doesn't seem like i should be the one punished for doing this in reply to this"

cause you're not wrong if you say that after being punished i should learn my lesson.

Anomander3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentleman Cho,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pyg9tHoi,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-01-18T02:15:40.375+0000)

and it's not "you're wrong if you say that after being punished i should learn my lesson" but more of "these guys are attacking us and theres no way to stop it; also it doesn't seem like i should be the one punished for doing this in reply to this"

You are responsible for your own actions just as they are.

Stopping the attack is what Mute is for.

Preventing them from doing it to others is what Reporting is for.

Your not being punished for their behavior. You get punished for your own.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

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You are responsible for your own actions just as they are.

Stopping the attack is what Mute is for.

Preventing them from doing it to others is what Reporting is for.

Your not being punished for their behavior. You get punished for your own.

except it doesn't not prevent them from stopping in game. They do it as they want to. And peoples behavior have been due to other attitudes and actions. its not a hard concept to get.

This Is Your Dad3 votes

{quoted}

You knew the rules. You ignored multiple warnings. You deserve your ban.

No Riot expects the person to have learned from the previous warnings and to have self responsibility for their own actions like a mature individual.

Mute. Report. Move on.

Muting prevents further harm to yourself.

Reporting help prevent harm to others.

Moving on is just good for your self and others.

I was chat restricted for being a douche a few times, then I realized when I read my logs that I was going too far and retaliating to negativity too strongly. In other words, I was escalating their insults to catastrophic levels. So I took a step back, changed how I reacted, and wow I haven't been restricted since the loot system first came out. It's possible to learn, to change, and to prosper. It's not about being mad at toxicity, it's about knowing what to do with that anger. Cheers.

Anomander2 votes

I am glad to hear that you didn't ignore multiple warnings.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

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I am glad to hear that you didn't ignore multiple warnings.

Is that sarcasm? it's not that i didn't acknowledge them its that the reasons they banned me for are me reacting to more toxicity. its not as simple as "this guys toxic ban him". That's why i'm making the claim that its unjust and unfair

Anomander2 votes

I wasn't responding to you.....

I was responding to Anti Teemo.

No it wasn't sarcasm.

It's not unfair to ban a person after multiple warnings. It is not Unjust to punish someone for their behavior.

If you truly cannot comprehend that then you should not be play this game.

This Is Your Dad2 votes

{quoted}

I wasn't responding to you.....

I was responding to Anti Teemo.

No it wasn't sarcasm.

It's not unfair to ban a person after multiple warnings. It is not Unjust to punish someone for their behavior.

If you truly cannot comprehend that then you should not be play this game.

I just came to tell people that it's not riot, it's yourself that really determines the ban. If someone killed my dog and I went and killed that person in response, then I should be jailed as well. Real life application is the best way to determine if you should say what you're about to type or not.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pyg9tHoi,comment-id=000200020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-19T05:49:55.469+0000)

I just came to tell people that it's not riot, it's yourself that really determines the ban. If someone killed my dog and I went and killed that person in response, then I should be jailed as well. Real life application is the best way to determine if you should say what you're about to type or not.

u can't seriously be comparing a player being provokingly toxic and then the person talking back to killing a PERSON when they kill your DOG. jesus christ.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentleman Cho,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pyg9tHoi,comment-id=0002000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-20T03:11:09.610+0000)

u can't seriously be comparing a player being provokingly toxic and then the person talking back to killing a PERSON when they kill your DOG. jesus christ.

But I can. Most often what happens is one guy says "You suck uninstall" and the offended party says "go kill yourself and I hope your family burns in a house fire" and wonders why they got in trouble. Therein, you have escalated the offense through retaliation, just as when you kill a person who killed your dog. Sure, killing a dog is bad, but killing a person because they killed your dog is no excuse, and is deemed to be far more irrational even though it's a primitive human response to offense.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

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You knew the rules. You ignored multiple warnings. You deserve your ban.

No Riot expects the person to have learned from the previous warnings and to have self responsibility for their own actions like a mature individual.

Mute. Report. Move on.

Muting prevents further harm to yourself.

Reporting help prevent harm to others.

Moving on is just good for your self and others.

Also i never said i didn't deserve the ban, infact i'm pretty sure i disclosed that i DO deserve the ban based on the rules.

Ambient Snow3 votes

Wait wait wait ..

let me get this right.

You are saying the community needs to change because the community is toxic. But then, you openly admit that you are toxic. and deserved the ban.

-.-

Seriously any one else find this hypocritical?

Seriously you are part of the problem, and you are banned..

the community is now slightly better.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

{quoted}

Wait wait wait ..

let me get this right.

You are saying the community needs to change because the community is toxic. But then, you openly admit that you are toxic. and deserved the ban.

-.-

Seriously any one else find this hypocritical?

Seriously you are part of the problem, and you are banned..

the community is now slightly better.

I openly admit i deserved the ban due to me talking back. as in i was toxic back to toxic players. me myself, i wouldn't be toxic just to be toxic. you'd have to really agrivate me to do that.

scazzman2 votes

yup. riot will never fix "toxic chat" with carrot and stick, they are fighting a symptom, not the cause

Nagamitsu2 votes

I agree that you shouldn't be permabanned for being toxic. BUT in defense of riot they have an option where you are allowed to mute players you dont wanna hear from, so if you really cant stand someone then mute them its that simple and it saves unnecessary confrontation. Also the phrase "its just a game" is so true. If your mood is being controlled by a game then idk what to tell you. But anyways stay triggered my friends RAWR XD.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

i mean if thats the case then being banned for toxicity in chat shouldn't be a thing? so it isn't in defense of riot otherwise i wouldn't be banned.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

Like honestly use your brain, "in defense of riot they have an option to mute players you don't wanna hear from" then i shouldn't be banned; the players who provoked me should mute me then.

FurriesAreHot2 votes

If me and a man both have a sword and shield, we are on the same side, he stabs me, do I stab back or do I raise my shield?

TrulyBland2 votes

Yes they should. It's entirely unrelated to your punishment though. Muting is the method people can use to protect themselves from somebody. Reporting is the method people can use to protect the rest of the community from the same person. They're not mutually exclusive.

FurriesAreHot2 votes

What kind of car? A collectors Hotwheels?

swordofsun2 votes

we WANT to be able to talk shit in a videogame. we WANT to be able to tell our teammates to fuck off when they're being an asshole. and we WANT to tell our teammates to stop when they're flaming/intentionally assisting the other team.

Only no, that's not what the community wants. If it was then people wouldn't get reported, their logs wouldn't get scanned, and no one would get banned. The fact that people get banned for flaming means that this is what the community wants. The majority of people don't want to have this in their games.

Riot doesn't expect perfection, that's why there's so much leniency in the system. Riot and the League community expect for people to not be jerks and to learn from their punishments.

Gentleman Cho1 votes

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Only no, that's not what the community wants. If it was then people wouldn't get reported, their logs wouldn't get scanned, and no one would get banned. The fact that people get banned for flaming means that this is what the community wants. The majority of people don't want to have this in their games.

Riot doesn't expect perfection, that's why there's so much leniency in the system. Riot and the League community expect for people to not be jerks and to learn from their punishments.

we WANT to be able to tell our teammates to fuck off when they're being an asshole. and we WANT to tell our teammates to stop when they're flaming/intentionally assisting the other team. - is what i meant to put across, not so much of "we want to talk shit in a videogame." i only put that there as to emphasize the we WANT to be able to tell our teammates to fuck off when they're being an asshole. and we WANT to tell our teammates to stop when they're flaming/intentionally assisting the other team.

TrulyBland2 votes

And who exactly do you mean with "we"? Because the majority of the community does not actually want that. At least they don't want that as much as not having to listen to others perpetuate the same negativity that they are angry about.

swordofsun2 votes

swordofsun (NA) - about 20 hours ago

Only no, that's not what the community wants. If it was then people wouldn't get reported, their logs wouldn't get scanned, and no one would get banned. The fact that people get banned for flaming means that this is what the community wants. The majority of people don't want to have this in their games.

Riot doesn't expect perfection, that's why there's so much leniency in the system. Riot and the League community expect for people to not be jerks and to learn from their punishments.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Chat logs?

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