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14 day suspension where I feel like i wasnt toxic.

Garffiljorg··2 votes·853 views

My Logs: Game 1 Garffiljorg: shen what brand of toaster do you have? Garffiljorg: xd Garffiljorg: didnt have stun Garffiljorg: leona please Garffiljorg: ww when are you planning on going bot Garffiljorg: fuck it i guess i will Garffiljorg: uhh Garffiljorg: ww Garffiljorg: wait nvm Garffiljorg: are you shitting me Garffiljorg: jump on them Garffiljorg: dont let them kill me Garffiljorg: WW DONT Garffiljorg: xin contest cs more Garffiljorg: you are wayyy behind Garffiljorg: bot wtf Garffiljorg: your laners ran up help your damn teammates Garffiljorg: tiw as a 3v4 Garffiljorg: what are you doing Garffiljorg: sigh Garffiljorg: dont fight a warwick Garffiljorg: a yorick* Garffiljorg: no Garffiljorg: xin Garffiljorg: no Garffiljorg: leona ur not Garffiljorg: xin Garffiljorg: you tried to fight a yorick Garffiljorg: when he had minions Garffiljorg: you cant complain bout anyone else Garffiljorg: what? Garffiljorg: schniped Garffiljorg: yea i probably am Garffiljorg: im xerath lmao Garffiljorg: i hit first one tho Garffiljorg: there were 3 people on me and i m a character with 0 escapes Garffiljorg: what? Garffiljorg: do you see your health? Garffiljorg: that was you under tower? Garffiljorg: abilite Garffiljorg: he rage quit Garffiljorg: xin Garffiljorg: he flamed all game Garffiljorg: yet was the shittest one on our team Garffiljorg: he was really tilted for some reason Garffiljorg: oh well Garffiljorg: BRUH Garffiljorg: why not ff Garffiljorg: probs leona tbh Garffiljorg: xin quit raging Garffiljorg: its sad Garffiljorg: you said you couner him Garffiljorg: AHAHAHAHA Garffiljorg: AHAHAhA Garffiljorg: i had time to delete what i was typing and i still got him Garffiljorg: he reconnected Garffiljorg: fizz ur so bad Garffiljorg: u lost lane to a xerath Garffiljorg: yes Garffiljorg: you lost lane to a xerath Garffiljorg: as fizz Garffiljorg: you are literally the direct counter to xerath Garffiljorg: and you lost lane to him Garffiljorg: bruh Garffiljorg: you cant kill me Garffiljorg: i won lane Garffiljorg: are you serious Garffiljorg: you dont know how you lost Garffiljorg: i solo took your tower Garffiljorg: you had to back 3 times before i backed Garffiljorg: you somehow as fizz Garffiljorg: lost lane to a xerath Garffiljorg: you ulted me lmao Garffiljorg: i used randomly qd because this is over because xin fed Garffiljorg: muted Garffiljorg: hes so salty Garffiljorg: he muted me Garffiljorg: ive only died oslo once Garffiljorg: i wasnt ganked in lane phase Garffiljorg: lol Garffiljorg: its over Garffiljorg: you fed a yorick Garffiljorg: its over Garffiljorg: xin fed a yorick Garffiljorg: yes Garffiljorg: you did Garffiljorg: he has 3 with 3 assists and 2 towers Garffiljorg: you fed a yorick Garffiljorg: you didnt pressure alne Garffiljorg: lane Garffiljorg: and? Garffiljorg: you fed the yorick Garffiljorg: no i didnt Garffiljorg: ive died to you once Garffiljorg: 3 kills 2 towers and more cs Garffiljorg: thats fed Garffiljorg: yorick is 8 kills ahead of xin but apparently isnt fed Garffiljorg: i know i play him Garffiljorg: you should never lsoe to a xerath Garffiljorg: Im talking bout xin and yorick Garffiljorg: he said start of game this is easy i counter yorick yet loses lane Garffiljorg: i dont et it Garffiljorg: yea because you fed a yorick Garffiljorg: gg Garffiljorg: report xin he rage quit Game 2 Garffiljorg: yi start bot Garffiljorg: let yorick cs and get level 2 Garffiljorg: he can all in and kill Garffiljorg: no you dont Garffiljorg: i play yi a lot lol Garffiljorg: you dont need blue Garffiljorg: you can get it level 2 easily Garffiljorg: not yi Garffiljorg: yi is aa based Garffiljorg: lb you always start bot side Garffiljorg: always Garffiljorg: as jg Garffiljorg: no matte rwho Garffiljorg: it gets all laners easily ahead Garffiljorg: wtf... Garffiljorg: complaining about b5 and dying to kruggs Garffiljorg: yi come on Garffiljorg: like why Garffiljorg: uhh jinx Garffiljorg: come to lane Garffiljorg: you dont camp 50 gold Garffiljorg: he outrangs you Garffiljorg: ranges Garffiljorg: wtf hes building ap Garffiljorg: BACK Garffiljorg: JINX Garffiljorg: ok report jinx Garffiljorg: yi stop feeding Garffiljorg: you are 0/4 minute 11 Garffiljorg: i give up Garffiljorg: our yi is 0/4 please wukong come int bot Garffiljorg: wait yi isnt building bloodrazor Garffiljorg: wait Garffiljorg: he isnt building bloodrazor Garffiljorg: yi isnt building fucking bloodrazo Garffiljorg: thats literally the only thing he has to get to 1v5 Garffiljorg: bloodrazor Garffiljorg: report yi Garffiljorg: you can for inting Garffiljorg: taking fights like that is inting Garffiljorg: i exhausted please Garffiljorg: YI JUTS ATTACK THE WUKONG Garffiljorg: THEY WERE 7% Garffiljorg: game isnt over yorick will likley come back Garffiljorg: YI WTF WAS THAT Garffiljorg: report yi Garffiljorg: there are reasons ive said what ive said Garffiljorg: report yi Garffiljorg: 0/7 as yi Garffiljorg: and complaining hes in bronze 5 champ select Garffiljorg: hes inting Garffiljorg: he even wasted herald like that Garffiljorg: bro he chose yi Garffiljorg: its not hard to go 1/1 Garffiljorg: he literally solo lost us the game Garffiljorg: ive never seen it this bad Garffiljorg: i said no because if yorick comes back we haev a good chance Garffiljorg: we also could have a non troll jg Garffiljorg: but no Garffiljorg: and yi didnt build a jungle item Garffiljorg: what the fuck riot Garffiljorg: see this is why i dislike perma bans, but ranked bans Garffiljorg: if someone is bad in bronze 5 Garffiljorg: good lord Garffiljorg: yea Garffiljorg: but read what i said Garffiljorg: they arent bad Garffiljorg: they went 1/17 last game Garffiljorg: the yi did Garffiljorg: 1/17 Garffiljorg: i want to learn lb Garffiljorg: she seems strong Garffiljorg: yea im gona say thats not bad thats inting Garffiljorg: ok please Garffiljorg: at this point Garffiljorg: its so over Garffiljorg: if only yorick didnt afk Garffiljorg: we woulda had a good chance Garffiljorg: jinx please Garffiljorg: lb please Garffiljorg: jesus Garffiljorg: that damage fizz Garffiljorg: lb jinx or yi Garffiljorg: please Garffiljorg: NVM Garffiljorg: build tank we have a chance Garffiljorg: build mr Garffiljorg: our jungler has 13 deaths. thats all youve missed Garffiljorg: wukong doesnt matter Garffiljorg: he inted lane phase Garffiljorg: thats when inting matters Garffiljorg: YI Garffiljorg: jinx build deahts dance Garffiljorg: bruh look at yis deaths Garffiljorg: it literally cant be anyone but him Garffiljorg: no its not Garffiljorg: yi is so braindead Garffiljorg: its hard to feed with him Garffiljorg: fizz ult does 980 damage Garffiljorg: do u not see how fed this fizz is Garffiljorg: we have no cc for him Garffiljorg: he can e all of it Garffiljorg: OH Garffiljorg: YI FOR FUCK SAKES Garffiljorg: REPORT YI Garffiljorg: he just runs into a 1v3 like that and dies Garffiljorg: thats inting Garffiljorg: we cant tho Garffiljorg: not even Garffiljorg: he nearly died Garffiljorg: he doesnt even haev a zeal ite Garffiljorg: item Garffiljorg: so he has no crit except for ie Garffiljorg: group imd and end Garffiljorg: we lost cuz yi fed the fizz Garffiljorg: 20 deaths 11 of which were land phase Garffiljorg: yorick you were afk for half the game Garffiljorg: forget about that? Game 3 Garffiljorg: our team is very early game Garffiljorg: so push your turrets Garffiljorg: everyone is but u trynd Garffiljorg: and kinda trist Garffiljorg: they have no tank Garffiljorg: trist build zeal item ie then ldr Garffiljorg: if you can Garffiljorg: and singed if you use poison on red im going to end myself Garffiljorg: trist im a plat smurf trust Garffiljorg: they have an afk Garffiljorg: silly xerath Garffiljorg: legit reporting Garffiljorg: you dont tax cannys Garffiljorg: singed stfu Garffiljorg: wow Garffiljorg: im boosted Garffiljorg: jesus christ Garffiljorg: singed stop talking play the game Garffiljorg: no hes not wtf Garffiljorg: report singed pleas they are trolling Garffiljorg: flaming and trolling Garffiljorg: you know im our chance right? Garffiljorg: bro singed go bot Garffiljorg: we are gona win Garffiljorg: im fed Garffiljorg: TRIST DEFEND TURRET Garffiljorg: what are you doing Garffiljorg: yea you can Garffiljorg: you are under turret Garffiljorg: bruv Garffiljorg: you are worth 10 gold Garffiljorg: saving first turret is worth Garffiljorg: what Garffiljorg: are you dumb Garffiljorg: it is ranked lmao Garffiljorg: yea Garffiljorg: yes Garffiljorg: singed inting Garffiljorg: please report Garffiljorg: hes tilted out of his mind for some reason Garffiljorg: ehh its fine Garffiljorg: i can carry Garffiljorg: ? Garffiljorg: trist u blind Garffiljorg: im with singed now not reportig him Garffiljorg: are you serious Garffiljorg: the jinx who was out of position and free? Garffiljorg: god damn dont do ranked if you arent gona try Garffiljorg: what Garffiljorg: i was at river Garffiljorg: you can run Garffiljorg: report trist dont report singed Garffiljorg: singed actions were justified after watching tristana Garffiljorg: trist ur being a troll u know that right Garffiljorg: like ur actually inting more than singed Garffiljorg: now go bot Garffiljorg: im laner im allowed to tell you to get out of my lane Garffiljorg: report trist Garffiljorg: they are trolling Garffiljorg: even annoucing it Garffiljorg: no shes a troll Garffiljorg: troll Garffiljorg: ye Garffiljorg: they flamed singed and are trolling Garffiljorg: care Garffiljorg: no Garffiljorg: singed is a good supp Garffiljorg: riot designed him as one Garffiljorg: yea Garffiljorg: my adc is kinda troll Garffiljorg: and i was camped Garffiljorg: trist its not about deaths Garffiljorg: thats how you know a bronze Garffiljorg: im 5/5 Garffiljorg: she is 0/3 Garffiljorg: ive had 2 2v1s and won Garffiljorg: "smurf" Garffiljorg: literally they are in ranked and talking about try hards lmao Garffiljorg: like they are inting Garffiljorg: and she is saying its fine and when we say not to do something Garffiljorg: they just say "nah" Garffiljorg: they use the word bruh Garffiljorg: gj singed Garffiljorg: cant do much with a troll adc Garffiljorg: they literally havent been in a team fight Garffiljorg: once Garffiljorg: shes 0/4/2 Garffiljorg: with no cs Garffiljorg: and they are saying look at them cry Garffiljorg: wut Garffiljorg: OH MY GOD Garffiljorg: They are actually inting tho Garffiljorg: cant polish a turd Garffiljorg: thats what this game is Garffiljorg: didnt expect that? Garffiljorg: i literally just said didnt expect that Garffiljorg: because they got close to a fed akali Garffiljorg: this trist trol Garffiljorg: sry singed D: Garffiljorg: i wont forget you Garffiljorg: lmao Garffiljorg: the gank bang Garffiljorg: gang* Garffiljorg: and thats why i bought zhonyas Garffiljorg: trist is now taking it to team chat Garffiljorg: they dont want to be reported lmao Garffiljorg: she says xd unironically or sarcastically they dont have a job Garffiljorg: you are just roaming as 5 XD Garffiljorg: im going for kills Garffiljorg: the game is over we have a troll adc Garffiljorg: as i said Garffiljorg: cant polish a turd Garffiljorg: this game Garffiljorg: is a turd Garffiljorg: im the only one on my team whos positive Garffiljorg: yet im boosted Garffiljorg: k Garffiljorg: gg Garffiljorg: what?

As you can see, I wasn't friendly, I wasn't the ideal person that league wants. But I'm not the toxic piece of shit that deserves to be 14 day and perma banned. In the game with singed he left his role as support and ran through the lanes, inting. He even said he doesnt care and that he was inting. That is one of the games that goes to my ban? Really? We have an adc withotu a support and a support that is admitting to inting. The whole team just typed because it was over and we couldnt ff because the singed and trist were just pissed. The second game our yi didn't have smite PURPOSEFULLY, they didn't build a jungle item, they had 20 deaths in the game, 10 of which were lane phase. They sealed our fate for the match but we still couldn't ff because 2 people thought we were winning. The First game we had a xin whop rage quit, flamed the team, and fed the yorick that he said he countered. Our jg didn't gank lanes and fed all game after flaming, and we were fucked. Pretty much everyone on my teams was wayyy worse than me when it comes to bans. We had inters who didn't get banned ie the singed who admitted to inting, and he didn't get any punishment, i mean he literally admitted to inting, and had i think 12 deaths in a 25 minute match yet they get no punishment. I don't get it. Im new to league but htis is rediculos. I really don't understand. I enjoy the game so i spent money to support riot, just so they come and BAN me for close to nothing?

53 Comments

Chermorg3 votes

No, this isn't close to nothing. A large majority of your chat is negative in nature, and while little if any is outright flaming, it's almost all negative things directed at team/enemy players.

It does not matter what anyone else in the game is doing - you are responsible for your own actions and chat messages, hence why only your chat is shown in the reform card. Remember, other players likely muted the toxic players, you responded to them, thus all they would have seen (until they muted you) was you being toxic. If someone is feeding, toxic, etc, just finish the game and report after. Mute in the meantime.

You do not mention if you have been chat restricted recently or at all. If you have, it would have mentioned in that reform card that you would be subjected to further, more severe punishment if you continued being negative. Remember, the severity of the punishment is not solely based on the severity of the chat, it's also based on past punishment history (as in if you have been previously punished, you can be more severely punished for the same punishable acts).

Until you accept that you are not allowed to flame people regardless of what they may have done or not done to or for or said etc. you will not be able to reform. If you just mute someone when they start to be toxic, it'll work wonders on your ability to refrain from retaliation.

TLDR: Ban is deserved, be extra careful not to retaliate or be negative in the future or you risk a permanent ban.

Best of luck!

Garffiljorg1 votes

So i cant ask my feeding teammate not to feed?

Chermorg2 votes

No, you can't. Because that's accusing them of intentionally feeding. If you believe they're doing that, just report them after the game. Don't subject 3-8 other people to have to look at your messages to that person just because you're mad at them.

Garffiljorg1 votes

they admitted to inting

Chermorg1 votes

Doesn't change anything, you still subjected three or eight other people to your negative abuse of your teammates.

Blood Lyrics1 votes

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No, you can't. Because that's accusing them of intentionally feeding. If you believe they're doing that, just report them after the game. Don't subject 3-8 other people to have to look at your messages to that person just because you're mad at them.

Uh... dude you will not be punished for saying "stop feeding".

Chermorg2 votes

If it's constantly berating your teammates by saying "omg stop feeding" and similar, you can and will be punished for that. It's overly negative and abusive and not constructive in any way.

Blood Lyrics1 votes

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If it's constantly berating your teammates by saying "omg stop feeding" and similar, you can and will be punished for that. It's overly negative and abusive and not constructive in any way.

What happens, as is sometimes the case, when the target of these statements is actually intentionally feeding. If, as the OP says, the target of these statements admitted to intentionally feeding in chat and is continuously intentionally feeding, is it so wrong to ask many times for them to "stop feeding"? Hell, at that point, it may as well be constructive criticism. Your team is more likely to win that game if the intentional feeder stops feeding. Sure, spamming it at someone who's having a bad game is probably pretty toxic, but at someone who has admitted to intentionally feeding and is continually doing it?

Chermorg1 votes

If someone's trolling and you say "stop feeding" to them 500 times, you're doing what's called "feeding the troll". A common occurrence in the internet world is that trolls who are fed go away much more slowly than those who are not fed.

And yes, spamming that in general is toxic, doesn't matter if directed at Obama or someone who just murdered a kitten.

Garffiljorg1 votes

how is spamming toxic at all? Im not being mean belittleing or berating someone.

Chermorg1 votes

It's useless, annoying, and obnoxious to your teammates.

Garffiljorg1 votes

So you mute the person spamming? Once again there is a mute button. Its like why is cyber bullying a thing, if someone is being mean. Mute them, or unfriend them. Its stupid you can get permad for toxicity anyways, just have a forced mute and actually make it good. You can just spam aram games and your chat ban is gone.

Chermorg1 votes

The mute button is not an excuse to be toxic.

Garffiljorg1 votes

you yourself said i was whiney and annoying. The mute button is an excuse for that. Not for being toxic. Me asking an inter not to feed over and over is annoying. Not toxic.

Chermorg2 votes

Being continuously annoying, spammy, and whiney, especially with a negative attitude is toxic.

Blood Lyrics1 votes

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If someone's trolling and you say "stop feeding" to them 500 times, you're doing what's called "feeding the troll". A common occurrence in the internet world is that trolls who are fed go away much more slowly than those who are not fed.

And yes, spamming that in general is toxic, doesn't matter if directed at Obama or someone who just murdered a kitten.

Okay. So someone in your game is genuinely intentionally feeding. You want to win this game, so you attempt to offer some constructive criticism. What is the constructive criticism that you offer someone who has announced "I am going to intentionally feed this game" other than "stop intentionally feeding"? Sure, you might be feeding the troll, but you're not given a lot of choice here right? Say nothing and he will continue to intentionally feed anyways.

Chermorg1 votes

Notice that I never said that it's always possible to give constructive criticism. Sometimes you should just shut up and report after the game.

Garffiljorg1 votes

You are being more toxic to blood lyrics than i was to my jungler...

Crett2 votes

you aren't permabanned are you? that wasn't close to nothing; focusing on your team's mistakes makes the game less fun and tends to tilt them, too. if you avoid that i think you probably won't get any more punishments.

it's not the WORST thing but you flamed your team for sure

and if you got a 14 day ban it's probably not just that game that contributed to it

Garffiljorg1 votes

Im not perma but 14. And I see a lot worse but i get punished when they dont, even if i personally report them. I dont get why inting a ranked game gets less of a punishment than asking your teammates to not go into lane if the laner isnt there just to die.

Chermorg1 votes

Intentionally feeding in a ranked game is more often than not an instant, permanent, non-revocable suspension of the account.

Garffiljorg1 votes

Well ive recieved nothing saying a player has been punished like i have before

Chermorg2 votes

You only get those notifications when it is an automated punishment and your report was the final straw in issuing it. For every notification you get, there's probably 3-5+ people who reported, influenced the punishment, and didn't get notified.

Blood Lyrics2 votes

Unfortunately, posting things like this on these boards will almost always (note the almost) result in people on the boards being extremely negative towards you. The majority of people here will straight up think that you deserve your punishment (or worse) as soon as they read that you were punished.

You weren't toxic, but you were definitely rather unfriendly and mean. I don't believe being unfriendly and mean warrants a punishment, but unfortunately I don't make the final decisions. If you had no punishments prior to the 14-day ban, then you may have a decent case, however the people of the boards tend to be terribly biased against people that they stereotype as toxic and are unlikely to support you if this is just an escalated punishment from 25-chat restrict to 14-day ban.

Garffiljorg1 votes

I understand. I just dont see why you arnent allowed to be negative in a ranked competitive setting if your teammates are losing the game for you. I mean the yi for instance was 0/13 at one point. That is rediculos. And the singed even said they inted.

Blood Lyrics2 votes

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I understand. I just dont see why you arnent allowed to be negative in a ranked competitive setting if your teammates are losing the game for you. I mean the yi for instance was 0/13 at one point. That is rediculos. And the singed even said they inted.

The general consensus of this board is that it's okay to punish the victim (or even if it's not okay, they will at least choose to ignore it) if the victim chooses to retaliate. You're supposed to suffer in silence and then report them.

Chermorg2 votes

Being negative, unfriendly, and mean is toxic. The fact you do not see anything wrong with it and consider it to not be "toxic" is not a problem with "people on(of) the boards", it's a problem with you.

Escheton2 votes

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Being negative, unfriendly, and mean is toxic. The fact you do not see anything wrong with it and consider it to not be "toxic" is not a problem with "people on(of) the boards", it's a problem with you.

^This

Blood Lyrics1 votes

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^This

You cannot be punished for being unfriendly. If I go into a game and tell everyone "leave me alone, I don't want to be friends", I am not going to be punished. Being mean and saying things along the lines of "you are playing poorly" when the guy is actually playing poorly, will not get me punished. The OP repeatedly says "stop feeding" to someone that (assuming he is telling the truth) stated that they were actually going to intentionally feed. He says in all chat that his lane opponent lost lane. He tells someone that they are very behind. Sure, the OP is annoying as all hell, but like so many people have said, the mute button is an option (thus there is no need to retaliate or whatever). You shouldn't punish someone for being whiny and annoying.

Chermorg1 votes

Saying that one line? No you won't get punished. Saying "you're not playing good" once? Probably not.

Repeatedly saying things over and over after having observed that they have no impact on the game? Yes.

Blood Lyrics1 votes

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Saying that one line? No you won't get punished. Saying "you're not playing good" once? Probably not.

Repeatedly saying things over and over after having observed that they have no impact on the game? Yes.

So, if you have someone, who is genuinely intentionally feeding and not just having a bad game (like the dude is just running it down mid - which you and I do not know, he could have been) and you repeat to them "stop feeding" despite it having no observed impact deserves a punishment? Well then, do tell me, what do you say to someone who is intentionally feeding then? What sort of constructive criticism would you like to offer? You are trying to win the game (and communicating in an attempt to achieve a greater likelihood of winning). What do you tell someone that is intentionally feeding?

Garffiljorg1 votes

I feel like you are the only one here who has actually played a game of league ;/

Escheton2 votes

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I feel like you are the only one here who has actually played a game of league ;/

Really? Because I feel he's trolling.

Blood Lyrics1 votes

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Really? Because I feel he's trolling.

Hello? Name-calling please.

Just because I am defending a player that has been punished, I am automatically trolling?

Chermorg2 votes

You are defending him with incorrect information, opinions that are honestly childish and immature, and other fallacies.

You aren't defending him, you're proving our points more.

Garffiljorg1 votes

Your league account is level 14.

Chermorg1 votes

Cool. Bring up more useless information.

The sky is blue.

Trump is the President of the US.

3+6=9

Escheton1 votes

lots of people post on alternate accounts so their words speak for themselves and they don't get childish people throwing rank and match history at them like chimps throwing feces.

Escheton1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Blood Lyrics,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pty8Eosn,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2017-06-19T03:29:26.729+0000)

You cannot be punished for being unfriendly. If I go into a game and tell everyone "leave me alone, I don't want to be friends", I am not going to be punished. Being mean and saying things along the lines of "you are playing poorly" when the guy is actually playing poorly, will not get me punished. The OP repeatedly says "stop feeding" to someone that (assuming he is telling the truth) stated that they were actually going to intentionally feed. He says in all chat that his lane opponent lost lane. He tells someone that they are very behind. Sure, the OP is annoying as all hell, but like so many people have said, the mute button is an option (thus there is no need to retaliate or whatever). You shouldn't punish someone for being whiny and annoying.

This isn't just whiny and annoying. This is actively berating teammates and creating a negative environment. That should be punished. Especially given the OP actually thinks he's taking the high ground.

Saying someone is playing poorly helps nothing but your ego, and is conscious active negative behavior. Ergo, toxic.

The fact that defenders of OP are blameshifting to a supposed feeder is both unnerving and doesn't change that he was harrassing his entire team for everything he perceived them doing wrong. Which, as you might imagine, has as much to do with the limits of his own insight as their (lack of) game skill.

Garffiljorg1 votes

If someone is 0/13 they are playing poorly. Continuing to do what they are doing to get them to 0/13 is feeding, and in my opinion, inting.

Chermorg1 votes

Nobody's denying that. However, you can't just say "stop feeding". You must be constructive: "next time try using q before e" or something like that.

If they don't respond to you or don't take your advice, don't keep spouting off at them.

Garffiljorg1 votes

They were. They were flaming me telling me to kill myself.

Garffiljorg1 votes

Also, how can you give a yi constructive criticism. Hes literally the most simple champ in game, maybe except for annie. Just dont run into a 1v5 with vision. Thats what they were doing.

Blood Lyrics1 votes

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This isn't just whiny and annoying. This is actively berating teammates and creating a negative environment. That should be punished. Especially given the OP actually thinks he's taking the high ground.

Saying someone is playing poorly helps nothing but your ego, and is conscious active negative behavior. Ergo, toxic.

The fact that defenders of OP are blameshifting to a supposed feeder is both unnerving and doesn't change that he was harrassing his entire team for everything he perceived them doing wrong. Which, as you might imagine, has as much to do with the limits of his own insight as their (lack of) game skill.

Yeah, well I find that you seem to have no issues with actively berating this guy and thinking that you're taking the high ground. But hey, you're not a toxic player and he is, so it's alright, yeah?

Saying someone is playing poorly indicates that they are playing poorly. It's a statement of fact. If they guy is 0-5 and 30cs at 15 minutes, he's playing poorly. Pointing out an observable statement of fact is about as wrong as pointing out that "the sky is blue today". Sure, it's annoying as all hell if someone sits there saying "the sky is blue today" 50 times, but apparently we have /mute buttons (did someone throw this argument at me yet on this thread, because it seems to be the go to argument for why we cannot retaliate to toxicity). He isn't name-calling (as far as I could see) aside from stating that someone is intentionally feeding (and if they have already said in chat, "I'm going to intentionally feed" I don't think that is considered name-calling anymore).

Escheton1 votes

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Yeah, well I find that you seem to have no issues with actively berating this guy and thinking that you're taking the high ground. But hey, you're not a toxic player and he is, so it's alright, yeah?

Saying someone is playing poorly indicates that they are playing poorly. It's a statement of fact. If they guy is 0-5 and 30cs at 15 minutes, he's playing poorly. Pointing out an observable statement of fact is about as wrong as pointing out that "the sky is blue today". Sure, it's annoying as all hell if someone sits there saying "the sky is blue today" 50 times, but apparently we have /mute buttons (did someone throw this argument at me yet on this thread, because it seems to be the go to argument for why we cannot retaliate to toxicity). He isn't name-calling (as far as I could see) aside from stating that someone is intentionally feeding (and if they have already said in chat, "I'm going to intentionally feed" I don't think that is considered name-calling anymore).

This isn't "the sky is blue". More like "you are ugly".

Blood Lyrics1 votes

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This isn't "the sky is blue". More like "you are ugly".

Ugly is an opinion. This is more like "you have a broken leg" or "your skin is white" or "you have six fingers". Annoying as all hell if someone repeats it to you constantly, but toxic?

Garffiljorg1 votes

Being toxic is being deliberately mean. Not unfriendly. I can chose not to say anything if they ask a question. That is unfriendly. I shouldn't be able to get banned for choosing not to communicate. Asking someone to stop inting ie ruining the game for 9 other players, that isn't mean. Thats asking them to stop doing what they are doing to make the team lose. I shouldn't be able to get banned for that. The person purposefully throwing the game, they should. I don't get how being negative can get you banned either. For instance saying that wasn't go don't go in on that next time. That is negative yet i can get banned for that? I might need to find a new game if thats the case. I really like this game but if it is so picky that you have to be nice even if a single player throws the game, that is ridiculous. I understand these rules for norms, but not ranked, also there is a mute button, so banning for toxicity shouldn't even be a thing, especially if they aren't throwing the game like a lot of toxicity leads to.

Chermorg1 votes

No, saying nothing is not unfriendly. It is inherently neutral. There is never anything wrong with saying nothing, and you will not get banned for choosing not to communicate. Anything less than neutral is negative, and by definition you are toxic.

"that wasn't good don't go in on that next time" is not negative, it's constructive criticism. it's not "omg u suck" or "stop feeding", it's a concrete actionable that will help someone improve.

Winters Dawn1 votes

I'm surprised you even had time to play in each of thise games. It looked like you spent more time typing than actually playing.

Seriously tho, less type more play

Garffiljorg1 votes

The yi went 0/13 at one point before getting a kill. Every lane was fed only thing i really could do was type i was mid so i didnt have tp and split pushing was guaranteed death

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