Part 2. Jenny711 is a boss and reduced my permanent ban to a 2 week ban. INSPIRATINOAL

IShouldaDodged·4/1/2019, 7:21:05 PM·3 votes·2,069 views

So I made one post here on the forums, asking you guys if my permanent ban was right. A LOT of you said it was, but some said it wasn't. regardless, I sent in a ticket to RIOT support asking to basically get my permanent ban lessened to a chat restriction, but they gave me a 2 week ban instead. Here is an exact (a couple things edited just for personal reasons, but nothing important at all was edited) copy and paste of the entire ticket up to this point. I'm assuming they will close the ticket and send maybe a reply along the lines of "good luck, don't be toxic". Keep in mind, I was very angry and childish when i sent in the support ticket. Im surprised they gave me the chance lol.

Ticket title: I got permanently banned, for literally 1 line.

GODOFWRATH March 29th 2019, 6:17:10 pm The only bad thing i said was i said our nunu was a troll because he LITERALLY ran into the enemy team and told them to kill him in all chat. I was supportive the entire game, trying to be nice and the jinx and nunu kept flaming the whole team, being toxic, inting, calling everyone trash, and being absolutely horrible. What I said was NOTHING on that scale. This doesnt warrant a permanent ban! Its literally the day after my 2 week ban, and theyre trying to say what i said for my 2 week ban was less than this???? My 2 week ban was a better reason to get banned than this. Why not just chat restrict me? I wasnt intentionally feeding, I wasnt trolling, i did nothing negative in the game gameplay wise. it was all chat. Im fine with being chat restricted, but ive paid a lot for content in this game that I love and play with all of my friends and brothers, and im getting banned because I called our intentionally feeding and trolling jungler a troll? This isnt fair at all. I swear to god ill mute all every single game for a year. Just chat ban me, id be totally fine with that.

GODOFWRATH March 29th 2019, 6:17:36 pm Game 1 Pre-Game GodOfWrath: hmm? GodOfWrath: u dont know how to play yi or??? GodOfWrath: nvm lol GodOfWrath: i shoulda picked morg... oh well. our all in should win bot In-Game GodOfWrath: ok wu jg shit clear GodOfWrath: should be fun invade for nunu if someone follows him in GodOfWrath: we'll be good GodOfWrath: just minimize the poke GodOfWrath: and wait for the all in GodOfWrath: nah GodOfWrath: they dum GodOfWrath: we good GodOfWrath: ? GodOfWrath: zyras cooldowns are longer than mine GodOfWrath: got all their summs GodOfWrath: didnt use any GodOfWrath: because u over stayed GodOfWrath: not from the fight GodOfWrath: chill the fuck out kid GodOfWrath: then chill GodOfWrath: youre literally the most toxic person GodOfWrath: shut up and play GodOfWrath: THE LANE BARELY STARTED GodOfWrath: YOU CANT EVEN CS GodOfWrath: jinx chiiiiiilllllllllll GodOfWrath: now we free farm bot so u can catch up GodOfWrath: nunu GodOfWrath: there were 4 GodOfWrath: quit flaming GodOfWrath: theyre fed GodOfWrath: most of us are late GodOfWrath: wait for rengar to get some items and he will 1 shot their whole team GodOfWrath: let jinx farm and catch up and she will be a monster GodOfWrath: nunu its okay if ur behind just go tank and be an engage GodOfWrath: oh my fucking god GodOfWrath: only jinx did. report him GodOfWrath: not jinx, report nunu GodOfWrath: lol what? GodOfWrath: i didnt do anything bad XD GodOfWrath: u cant fucking cs GodOfWrath: then dont GodOfWrath: you fucking troll GodOfWrath: because you obviously arent gold material lol GodOfWrath: open top end please GodOfWrath: report nunu and jinx GodOfWrath: theyre trolling and inting GodOfWrath: being super toxic, calling everyone trash, being assholes GodOfWrath: get these kids off of this game GodOfWrath: YOURE NOT GOLD MATERIAL GodOfWrath: WHY ARE YOU HERE IF YOURE SO MUCH BETTER? cuz youre not any better. play the fucking game dude GodOfWrath: did i die? no. did i get all of their summs? yes GodOfWrath: all 4 of their summs GodOfWrath: just report jinx and nunu... ik you guys can see GodOfWrath: lol GodOfWrath: why play league of legends? if youre just gonna be toxic and not even try and give up before 10 mins? GodOfWrath: shes been bad all game. she cant farm for shit GodOfWrath: no she was playing like an idiot. catching all of your abilities GodOfWrath: never heard of dodging GodOfWrath: jinx u died before i did GodOfWrath: it does.... our next engage wins lol GodOfWrath: no she died because i told her to back and she wanted to stay xD This is the chat log for the game for my own reference.

GODOFWRATH March 29th 2019, 6:33:06 pm At the MOST this is a week ban. i called our nunu a fucking troll, and that was the only thing negative I said to a teammate that involved actual flaming or cussing at someone. And to be honest, I dont even think it was directed to anyone. I think it was because I missed my Leona ult on a wukong at our botside inhibitor tower. Like, I get that since I was already 2 week banned before that you guys will be watching my account more closely, but this isnt even close to as bad to what I said in the 2 week ban I recieved. This is just wrong.

JENNY711 March 29th 2019, 11:04:26 pm Hey there,

Thanks for writing in. Sorry for the delay, we've been getting a lot of requests recently.

I know it sucks to get a permanent ban. I took a look to see what happened and while I know it was in response to them, know that this is something we penalize for. I'm not saying what they said was okay because it definitely wasn't, but the manner in which you responded wasn't okay either. Responding back to them isn't the kind of behavior we want to encourage. When you respond back you're not actually helping the situation but actually you're putting your own account as risk to be penalized. I do want to work with you to see if there's something that could be done but we need to make sure we're on the same page.

[7:21] GodOfWrath (Leona): because u over stayed [7:24] GodOfWrath (Leona): not from the fight [7:48] GodOfWrath (Leona): chill the fuck out kid [8:36] GodOfWrath (Leona): youre literally the most toxic person [8:40] GodOfWrath (Leona): shut up and play [8:51] GodOfWrath (Leona): THE LANE BARELY STARTED [8:54] GodOfWrath (Leona): YOU CANT EVEN CS [15:53] GodOfWrath (Leona): quit flaming [16:54] GodOfWrath (Leona): oh my fucking god [17:03] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): only jinx did. report him [17:13] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): not jinx, report nunu [18:22] GodOfWrath (Leona): you fucking troll [19:45] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): theyre trolling and inting [19:57] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): being super toxic, calling everyone trash, being assholes [20:18] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): get these kids off of this game [20:27] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): YOURE NOT GOLD MATERIAL [20:44] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): WHY ARE YOU HERE IF YOURE SO MUCH BETTER? cuz youre not any better. play the fucking game dude [23:27] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): why play league of legends? if youre just gonna be toxic and not even try and give up before 10 mins? [23:57] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): shes been bad all game. she cant farm for shit [24:32] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): no she was playing like an idiot. catching all of your abilities

Please go through each of these lines and explain how they broke the Summoner's Code.

Also, this part is probably the most important, answer how these could negatively affect all the other players in the game. How did it make them feel and why do you believe this is the most important question? (Really think about this question)

I await your response.

Jenny711 [^._.^]ノ彡 Player Support Specialist

GODOFWRATH March 30th 2019, 12:55:30 am Hey there x2,

Thanks for giving me an actual person to person encounter. I've never had a punishment in any game, so this was a really big shock. I knew I should have just done a quick /muteall when the game started but I guess I thought I could keep a cooler head than I did. Obviously, that was a mistake. Also thank you for letting me work with you and say my piece. Although I don't really like some of RIOT's stuff, I love the way you guys do support. I remember like a year ago I sent in a merch request and everyone that replied was super fun and friendly. Anways, enough sucking up from me.

[7:21] GodOfWrath (Leona): because u over stayed - This was just because my Jinx was yelling at me trying to blame me for her death, although I pinged her to recall back to the fountain like I did. This wasn't meant to be a toxic statement, and I don't think we were even fighting at this point. Regardless, I see how she could get mad at the statement because it implies i'm flaming her for not recalling back to the base sooner. I would say this broke the code in a way that seemed like I was trying to tear her down or blame.

[7:24] GodOfWrath (Leona): not from the fight - This was just a part 2 to the statement above, saying that the play I tried to initiate wasn't the cause of her death. It wasn't a toxic message.

[7:48] GodOfWrath (Leona): chill the fuck out kid - Obviously, this was definitely toxic of me to say. I missed an ability and she started to spam ping me and got mad in chat. This was definitely a tear down moment. Me telling her to calm down while simultaneously cussing at her, will do anything but calm her down. It definitely made her mad. Also could be considered a rage moment for me.

[8:36] GodOfWrath (Leona): youre literally the most toxic person [8:40] GodOfWrath (Leona): shut up and play - Both of these messages were for the same thing. The Jinx was just flaming in chat, calling everyone trash and being very toxic/negative, saying how the game was already over, saying gg in chat like she was going to give up or go afk. That's what I feared anyways. I wanted her to stop flaming everyone and just play the game instead of focusing on tearing everyone else down; however I ended up doing the same thing I was trying to prevent in the process. This was negative from me and id say it was me trying to tear her down, although I really did just want her to focus on the game itself.

[8:51] GodOfWrath (Leona): THE LANE BARELY STARTED - Jinx was saying gg, wanted to give up and I was trying to motivate her by saying the lane barely started. This wasn't intended to be a toxic message. More of a "the game just started, we can turn this around" kind of message.

[8:54] GodOfWrath (Leona): YOU CANT EVEN CS - Definitely me being negative, along the lines of dont tear people down, and dont blame. I was kind of mad that she was blaming everyone else on the team when even she wasnt performing well. She was significantly behind the enemy adc when her character should be winning hands down. I was mad she wasn't good at farming the minion wave, which is one of the biggest things an adc needs to be good at. Definitely negative on my part.

[15:53] GodOfWrath (Leona): quit flaming - This was just me trying to tell my team to quit flaming each other. I wasn't intending to be negative with this message. I was trying to get my teammates to just stop yelling at each other in chat, which I will be guilty of doing later in the game.

[16:54] GodOfWrath (Leona): oh my fucking god - This was just something I said in chat, basically to myself. Our jungler Nunu ran down the middle of a lane and said "kill me" in all chat to the enemy team, trying to intentionally feed the enemy team. This was me raging, but not specifically at someone.

[17:03] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): only jinx did. report him [17:13] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): not jinx, report nunu - I forget what the first line was in reply to, I think it was in response to someone saying something. The second line was me clarifying that I didn't want them to report Jinx, but report the Nunu instead. Although Jinx was being toxic, she wasnt intentionally feeding at this point and I was hoping by saying not to report Jinx, her attitude would change. I would say this was me raging/tearing down the Nunu for inting.

[18:22] GodOfWrath (Leona): you fucking troll - Me raging and tearing down the Nunu again for intentionally feeding again.

[19:45] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): theyre trolling and inting [19:57] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): being super toxic, calling everyone trash, being assholes - This was me talking to the enemy team, who were nicer than my own (weird) trying to get them to report the Jinx and Nunu who were both now trolling and inting at this point. Jinx was calling everyone trash and making the rest of us feel bad about our ranks while we were silver and she was gold. I did call them assholes though so i was definitely raging and tearing them down.

[20:18] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): get these kids off of this game - This was me wanting the enemy team to report the 2 on my team. I'd say I wasnt working with the team, and tearing them down. Angry about everyones behavior.

[20:27] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): YOURE NOT GOLD MATERIAL - Me being negative towards the Jinx because she was saying that she was better than all of us because she was gold but we were all in the same game regardless. That was me tearing her down because she thought she was better than all of us.

[20:44] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): WHY ARE YOU HERE IF YOURE SO MUCH BETTER? cuz youre not any better. play the fucking game dude - Same situation as the line before, telling her that she isnt better than us, because we are in fact all in the same game. Definitely tearing her down, and trying to get her to work with the rest of us to win and come back from our deficit.

[23:27] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): why play league of legends? if youre just gonna be toxic and not even try and give up before 10 mins? - Okay this is funny of me to say because im literally doing what im telling her not to do. Except for the giving up and not trying part. I always try and never give up unless we have a mutual agreement as a team to open a lane for the enemy team to win on. But this was me raging at Jinx because she didnt care anymore, and just wanted the enemy team to win and refused to forfeit the game. Still kind of tearing her down too.

[23:57] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): shes been bad all game. she cant farm for shit [24:32] [All] GodOfWrath (Leona): no she was playing like an idiot. catching all of your abilities - This was me talking to the enemy team, talking about my ally Jinx. I was mad at Jinx because she was trying to blame me for her performance in the laning phase. Definitely negative of me, raging and tearing her down. The game was about to end so I just kinda let it out.

Sorry for all of the really long replies. Probably gonna be a pain in the butt to read... Sorry again. Basically they were all attempts to tear down the Jinx and Nunu out of my own anger. It was definitely wrong, I know.

When we're playing such a tense game where every little thing matters, every minion, tower, kill, chat can go a long way. When we're having a rough game and things aren't going the way they should, the type of chat displayed by me is bound to light some peoples fuses VERY fast, my own included. When a teammate sees that their other teammates are fighting, and flaming each other in chat, it doesn't motivate them to keep doing their best and makes them assume the game is lost. It's definitely hard to play a game that's so competitive when everyone is mad and yelling at each other.

I think it's an important question because it helps me realize that everything that's said is going to affect another persons game. When I realize that I can drag a whole team down and ruin their game and attitude, it makes me feel ashamed. That I could be the guy that ruins this game for others. Nobody wants to be that person. Unless you're just flat out heartless.

Again, I know what I said was very negative and shouldn't have been said. I'm not expecting this support message to get me unbanned (that would be absolutely friggin dope though), but if it did, I actually would want a chat restriction. I know, this dude is asking for chat restriction. I need to learn to keep a level head and not fight back with my own team or opposing team. However many games/days, i'll welcome it and won't complain an ounce.

Thanks for giving me a chance to explain myself and repent (repent isnt the right word but I cant be bothered finding an alternative lol). Have a friggin dope day Jenny711 (ooh there I am sucking up again).

((")> - GodOfwrath (just call me ~)

Thanks Jenny711.

JENNY711 March 30th 2019, 4:47:49 pm Hey again ~,

I am glad to hear you recognize how your behavior negatively affected others. League is a game after all and games are supposed to be fun for everyone. I know it's hard to tell because we can't see faces or emotions but there is indeed another human being on the other side of the screen even if we might not always feel like it. I understand negative things happen in the game but we always have a choice in how we decide to respond.

Please answer these scenario questions.

  1. If you were in a scenario where other players were being negative and saying certain negative things, how would you respond? For example, let's say others are saying how this game is over and they're just constantly calling out everyone in the game. They're blaming others over and over and about how champions are imbalanced and just being a huge distraction. What would you do?

  2. If other players were trolling or intentionally feeding, how would you respond? If for example, someone stole your role and ran into the enemy tower over and over, how would you respond?

  3. Others are doing poor and dying a lot but they're doing their best. You find yourself getting frustrated because this is your last promo series. You're having a stressful day and things are getting heated. How do you respond?

Jenny711 [^._.^]ノ彡 Player Support Specialist

GODOFWRATH March 30th 2019, 8:25:25 pm Thanks for replying, this is honestly making me really happy. Plus im at work right now and this is helping relieve stress lol. Anyways:

  1. I would try to help in the kindest way I can. Maybe give them tips on how to play against a certain laner, or if theyre just being negative then I would try to tell them how we can still win the game and what we can do to make the game easier. If theyre still being negative after that, I would mute them and continue to focus on my part of the game, and send a report after the game has ended.

  2. Theres nothing I can do when people are intentionally feeding or stealing picks. If they steal a pick, I can just dodge the lobby and go for the next lobby. I would get a small timer but I wouldn't have to stress myself out for a whole game, or risk being negative. If we were in game already, the only thing I can do is focus on my game and my role, and try to make up for their gameplay. Of course, I would try to ff at 15 or 20 to get out sooner but I wouldnt give up until then. After the game, obviously I would send in a report.

  3. I never flame people for being new. If theyre just having a hard time, theres nothing I can get mad at. Maybe just give them a few tips, gank their lane and try to be helpful. I have bad games too so I know what its like to just have a rough lane.

Thank you again for helping me out. I really and honestly do appreciate it.

Have a great weekend :) -~

JENNY711 March 31st 2019, 12:29:44 am Hey again,

Thanks for answering those questions!

  1. I would actually say muting them is best. Don't even bother responding to them. The reason is because those small comments can lead to big arguments which could easily have been prevented if nothing was said in the first place. If others on your team are focused on their negativity, try to draw their attention by calling out things in the game.

  2. If other players are going to troll or intentionally feed, there's not a whole lot you can do to stop them. After all, you can't control them and you can only control how you respond. I recommend just muting them and ignoring them. Do your best and focus on the game and report them after. We'll investigate and take appropriate action. Your one report is all that's required to trigger a review.

  3. If other players do poor, it's better to try to lift them than to put them down. They're already upset about themselves doing poor. They don't need more harm to be added. Though, sometimes players might take things wrong. Just be mindful about what you say and if things go negative, mute them.

Alright. I want to help you but you need to promise that there will never be any negativity ever again and that you will always do your best no matter how bad the situation looks. (type this out specifically)

If you are given a final chance, it will be a two-week suspension and will not be changed. Additionally, please be aware that since this is a final chance, if there are any further signs of negativity, it will result in a permanent ban. Even if it's a year or two years down the line, if there's any negativity, no matter how small, it will result in a permanent ban. Do you agree?

Jenny711 [^._.^]ノ彡 Player Support Specialist

GODOFWRATH March 31st 2019, 3:57:41 pm Thank you so much. I really really appreciate giving me a final chance. Ill make sure to include you in my thank you speech when I win my first world championship lol.

So, I promise that there will never be any negativity ever again and I will always do my best no matter how bad the situation looks.

And yes, I agree that if im ever negative, its an irreversable permanent ban.

Thank you so so so so so so so much!!!

-~

IRON WING April 1st 2019, 2:16:39 pm Hello there,

My name is Iron Wing, and I'll be stepping in while my fellow Support agent is out. I can see the pact has been sealed, and I'll be taking over to close the deal :).

The change has been made. In two weeks, we hope to see the account back on the rift, and working on healing over time :D.

If you have any other questions about our systems or what to expect going forward, please let me know. We want you to keep access to your account in the long run.

Just as a heads up, if you reversed any charges while you were banned, let us know so we can help you fix that. If any of those chargebacks are not addressed, it may result in your account being banned again. If you don't know anything about that, then you can ignore this last part, as it shouldn't affect you.

Iron Wing Riot Games Player Support "I fought a house once. I'm pretty sure I won."

GODOFWRATH April 1st 2019, 2:36:06 pm Thanks Galio and Jenny <3

Thats the end of the support ticket so far. If anything significant is added, ill make sure to update this. Again. sorry for my super cringe replies and ticket. I like to have fun okay? Thanks for reading y'all, maybe it'll give some of you guys hope that RIOT does indeed have a heart. Plz discuss and have fun.

7 Comments

CharDeeMcDenniz4/1/2019, 7:23:23 PM4 votes

shhh dont say that too loud!

according to many on here, RIOT support does nothing

/s

for real though, good luck keeping your account in good standing, hopefully others can learn from this

insomniacjezz4/1/2019, 7:29:19 PM3 votes

Good job and good luck! You’ve been given a unicorn-level of rare opportunity.

Red Mage FTS4/1/2019, 7:29:34 PM2 votes

Good for you man. I hope you stick to it!

A Real Troll4/1/2019, 9:15:38 PM2 votes

I'm not really sure you deserved an unban. You are just lucky that the worst of your chat, the support representative glossed over/missed. Specifically "u cant f*** cs". There was enough toxicity here to warrant a perma after already reaching a two week ban.