Report Calling During a Game is a Bannable Offense - Don't do it

StigtriX·Oct 17, 2016·30 votes·4,114 views

There are a lot of views on this subject, and unfortunately many are flawed and based on subjective feelings of what is right and wrong. Feelings are not facts…

Calling for reports during a game is a bannable offense, meaning that if you write something like “Report Jinx for trolling”, you are ironically breaking the rules, even though the Jinx is in fact trolling. The reason for this being a bannable offense is that it often results in more toxic chat and behaviour, while taking the focus away from the game. Wait until after the game and when you are in the post-game chat before you shed light on the trolls. Do note that just because someone calls for reports in the post-game chat, you should not report the player that is called out. Unless you have seen the trolling, flaming, etc., you are not supposed to report at all. The ones calling for reports can in fact be trolling.

TL;DR:

Don’t call for reports during games
Don’t report without clear evidence

Player Behavior Specialist and Professional Axe-Juggler Wobby Jibbler on the subject: https://i.imgur.com/Hw98bc9.png

Heal the wounds, don't open them! http://i.imgur.com/5NpY3Rq.png

70 Comments

Synnx7Oct 17, 20164 votes

REporting everyone who says gg easy and " report X "

ARequestOfDeathOct 17, 20165 votes

But sometimes a person who says "report x" actually has a toxic player.

Hello I am BirdOct 17, 20163 votes

It only takes one person for Riot to look into the issue

More people reporting doesn't give it any more or less priority

AirKingNeoOct 17, 20161 votes

Actually it does. The system is so messed up that it only tags you if around 7-8 (rough estimate) people in that game reports you.

dapositivevikingOct 17, 20162 votes

thats a really rough estimate considering you're telling baseless lies

AirKingNeoOct 17, 20161 votes

Except it isn't a lie. Unless you have evidence to prove me wrong, my statement will hold true.

dapositivevikingOct 18, 20161 votes

my evidence is in the posts by the informed arbiters and rioters about how the system doesn't factor in more reports for the review. what has proven your claim?

AirKingNeoOct 18, 20161 votes

Considering arbiters aren't developers of the system and rioters have extreme chance to be bias or just not tell because they don't want people to abuse the system, neither is valid.

Mine is proof because it's what I've seen first hand. My experience with the system shows this. Which isn't bias, skewed, or anything. I report someone nothing happens but is everyone and their mother in that game did, they get punished.

ClatoVerataNictoOct 17, 20163 votes

I'm sorry I don't have a link for you, but I read a Red post that stated 1 report = system check. More reports do not weight it any heavier.

ShaolinToiletOct 18, 20161 votes

They did claim that more reports per game makes it so the system reviews the account earlier.

Telephone BoothOct 17, 20161 votes

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Actually it does. The system is so messed up that it only tags you if around 7-8 (rough estimate) people in that game reports you.

Really? I didn't know that. Can you cite evidence? I haven't read this whole post so if it said that, my apologies. I've only ever heard riot say that it doesn't matter how many people report you in a match. It only takes one to be looked at. Which makes sense to me. You can't force multiple people to report, so if it took 7 or 8 reports, hardly anyone would get punished. It'd take 70-80% of the people in a match to report, for someone to get punished? Sounds retarded to me.

dapositivevikingOct 18, 20161 votes

you're right, that persons claim is incorrect

leaugesbaneOct 17, 20162 votes

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But sometimes a person who says "report x" actually has a toxic player.

doesnt matter riot has made it clear that the only good chat is no chat

take dyno que as the perfect example of it. its not that toxicity went down its that solo players pretty much quit and that leave groups in skype and such so they wont report each other anyways

AirKingNeoOct 17, 20161 votes

doesnt matter riot has made it clear that the only good chat is no chat

He clearly said after the game is fine.

leaugesbaneOct 17, 20161 votes

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He clearly said after the game is fine.

and then you get a ban anyways

AirKingNeoOct 17, 20161 votes

"... so I would wait until after the game to evaluate..."

From the support member above. Aka, allowed in post game chat.

leaugesbaneOct 18, 20161 votes

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From the support member above. Aka, allowed in post game chat.

well thats wonderful its a shame it took them a year to figure this out im still willing to call bs since its riot we are talking about and they rarely ever learn

Telephone BoothOct 17, 20161 votes

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But sometimes a person who says "report x" actually has a toxic player.

Doesn't matter. No reason to tell others to report em.

AirKingNeoOct 17, 20161 votes

Well technically it's allowed in post game lobby, but still there is plently of reason

AirKingNeoOct 17, 20161 votes

I'm the nice guy who simply just says, "please report (name)".

StigtriXOct 17, 20168 votes

"GG easy" is considered an insult though, and Riot has commented upon this several times: it is not good behaviour. I would not report a player if he/she only wrote "GG easy" at the end of the match. That I will just ignore. It is the context and severity that matters to me, at least. If the player gloats and writes "GG easy" and the likes several times during a match and displays unpleasant manners, I will report him/her. But - it will always be the amount, severity and overall behaviour that will lead to a report from me. I can easily forgive, but don't test my patience. This is all subjective, but if I were to follow the rules, I would have reported for just writing "GG easy".

Report calling is the least visible offense in the sense that Riot has not addressed it clearly, and it needs to be clarified:

"Bear in mind that the reporting feature is not meant to be used as a means of retaliation against a player. While we encourage Summoners to submit reports of inappropriate behavior, we do want all Summoners to exercise calm and humane judgment while doing so." Source: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

No examples are listed, and the introduction where the quoted text is taken from does not carry the same weight as the examples with pictures and bold headings.

When it comes to report calling, I always inform the players that it is a bannable offense before I do anything. If they still report call, or that leads to toxic behaviour from them, I will report them. A lot of players behave like I am bluffing. I usually respond by linking the image of Wobby Jibbler's reply which leads to total silence - they might have understood something, at least. If there is clear evidence that the player being called out is truly guilty, I usually ignore the report calling and report the guilty player instead. But - sometimes I end up reporting both the report caller and the guilty player because of the behaviour of the report caller - again I must stress the degree of severity of the behaviour. It is not OK to make matters worse by being toxic. Just report call and report them in the post-game chat lobby (= report call and report after the game).

TL;DR: You can report players for simply writing "GG easy" or for report calling during a game. But should you always do that? Try to inform them about the rules before you do anything. Evaluate the severity and amount of toxic behaviour before you report.

Synnx7Oct 17, 20162 votes

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"GG easy" is considered an insult though, and Riot has commented upon this several times: it is not good behaviour. I would not report a player if he/she only wrote "GG easy" at the end of the match. That I will just ignore. It is the context and severity that matters to me, at least. If the player gloats and writes "GG easy" and the likes several times during a match and displays unpleasant manners, I will report him/her. But - it will always be the amount, severity and overall behaviour that will lead to a report from me. I can easily forgive, but don't test my patience. This is all subjective, but if I were to follow the rules, I would have reported for just writing "GG easy".

Report calling is the least visible offense in the sense that Riot has not addressed it clearly, and it needs to be clarified: Source: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

No examples are listed, and the introduction where the quoted text is taken from does not carry the same weight as the examples with pictures and bold headings.

When it comes to report calling, I always inform the players that it is a bannable offense before I do anything. If they still report call, or that leads to toxic behaviour from them, I will report them. A lot of players behave like I am bluffing. I usually respond by linking the image of Wobby Jibbler's reply which leads to total silence - they might have understood something, at least. If there is clear evidence that the player being called out is truly guilty, I usually ignore the report calling and report the guilty player instead. But - sometimes I end up reporting both the report caller and the guilty player because of the behaviour of the report caller - again I must stress the degree of severity of the behaviour. It is not OK to make matters worse by being toxic. Just report call and report them in the post-game chat lobby (= report call and report after the game).

TL;DR: You can report players for simply writing "GG easy" or for report calling during a game. But should you always do that? Try to inform them about the rules before you do anything. Evaluate the severity and amount of toxic behaviour before you report.

Not my duty to inform anyone about the rules. Toxic asses should get reported regardless.

StigtriXOct 17, 20162 votes

It is not your duty, but why not try to be a solution, especially when the subject is report calling? Riot has done too little to clarify that report calling is a bannable offense, so a lot of players (and especially new ones) will not know this. It does not exactly lead to better behaviour if a new and inexperienced player is met with punishment and no proper explanation.

leaugesbaneOct 17, 20161 votes

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It is not your duty, but why not try to be a solution, especially when the subject is report calling? Riot has done too little to clarify that report calling is a bannable offense, so a lot of players (and especially new ones) will not know this. It does not exactly lead to better behaviour if a new and inexperienced player is met with punishment and no proper explanation.

they made it pretty clear if you ask me also league of legends in general has player base in its own bubble world that doesnt really meet real world standards

StigtriXOct 17, 20161 votes

The players I have chatted with often see report calling as a way of informing the other players of a bannable offense, not as a tool for punishment or vengeance. That is a flawed view I try to correct, and that could be clarified further by Riot. Your subjective view carries some merit, but you must understand that Riot tries to promote good behaviour, and one does so best by not letting a culture of unsportsmanlike conduct and toxic behaviour grow.

By "real world standards" do you mean that you accept harassment, homophobia, racism and so in real life? That it is OK to react to harassment the same way instead of trying to reach a solution? Do you think it is healthy for a real world community to do nothing about such behaviour?

It is not the actions alone that is the problem, but the culture that comes with them.

DehitayOct 17, 20161 votes

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The players I have chatted with often see report calling as a way of informing the other players of a bannable offense, not as a tool for punishment or vengeance. That is a flawed view I try to correct, and that could be clarified further by Riot. Your subjective view carries some merit, but you must understand that Riot tries to promote good behaviour, and one does so best by not letting a culture of unsportsmanlike conduct and toxic behaviour grow.

By "real world standards" do you mean that you accept harassment, homophobia, racism and so in real life? That it is OK to react to harassment the same way instead of trying to reach a solution? Do you think it is healthy for a real world community to do nothing about such behaviour? It is not the actions alone that is the problem, but the culture that comes with them.

It's not a flawed view. It's actuality. Asking people to report problem players is not a punishable offense. That's why you say Riot "could" clearly say that it is. You can't say Riot has clearly said that it is. Cause even though players consistently spit this out as fact, Riot has never said it's a punishable offense. Riot is against toxic behavior. And asking for problem players to be reported isn't toxic unless you make it toxic. It's just that the community is so obsessed with saying it's toxic, few will stop to honestly think about it.

I don't fully understand what you were trying to go for in your second paragraph. It seems as if you're trying to relate how you act in real life to how you act in a League game. But it's obvious that the behavior Riot wants you to use in a game is utterly ridiculous for use in real life. In real life, you fight back against harassment, abuse, and sabotage; you don't sit back and accept it. But then you end it with that last statement that implies you know there's a different and say we should focus more on the culture than the actions. Which is weird cause pretty much anybody can tell you that the culture is pretty much established by Riot. They're choice of punishing words over actions have made it very clear to the playerbase that you can troll however you please and actually get more out of it cause you're more likely to get cooperative players than get yourself banned. That's the culture we have going.

StigtriXOct 17, 20161 votes

It is a flawed view, as the Player Behavior Specialist Wobby Jibbler stated: https://i.imgur.com/Hw98bc9.png He is not the one making the rules, but he knows what "can get you in trouble".

What I meant by the second paragraph is that the behaviour alone is not the problem, but that if you let people behave nasty without consequences, it will set a precedence for what is accepted, and report calling during a game often results in more toxic chat and less focus on the game. Therefore: wait until the game is over.

leaugesbaneOct 17, 20163 votes

are you wearing a tinfoil hat? if not ill pass you mine since i dont need it.

-_- as i said you dont get it and your view doesn't match real world standards

-i guess im a racist because i was born white -i was born a man so i must be a rapist machinist pig -because i lean towards being a christian i must be an Islamophobia -oh and im straight so i must be a homophobic

-but hey your world veiw looks amazing despite being 100% false and yes its exactly what you just tried to accuse me and nay one who leans right or is right of you filthy inbred sheep

think before you speak much? you mad bra? good you are cancer and cancer needs to be purged.

StigtriXOct 17, 20161 votes

No, I am not wearing a tinfoil hat, and I did not accuse you of anything.

Please read the second paragraph one more time: I asked if you accept harassment, homophobia, racism and so in real life, as your previous post can be understood (in a way), that in real life, one should just accept it and ignore it: "they made it pretty clear if you ask me also league of legends in general has player base in its own bubble world that doesnt really meet real world standards." One does not end a problem by ignoring it.

By "real world standards" I find it difficult to not understand your comment as "You should just deal with it." when it comes to toxic behaviour and report calling (which creates more toxicity). But, as this is the internet, I do not actually know if that was your meaning. Was it?

I apologize if my comment seemed like I was accusing you or anyone of anything, but I am not. I think you take this a bit too far with the "colourful language" and actual accusations. Why call me "filthy inbred sheep" and "cancer"? What does that add of depth or value to this discussion?

leaugesbaneOct 17, 20161 votes

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No, I am not wearing a tinfoil hat, and I did not accuse you of anything.

Please read the second paragraph one more time: I asked if you accept harassment, homophobia, racism and so in real life, as your previous post can be understood (in a way), that in real life, one should just accept it and ignore it: "they made it pretty clear if you ask me also league of legends in general has player base in its own bubble world that doesnt really meet real world standards." One does not end a problem by ignoring it.

By "real world standards" I find it difficult to not understand your comment as "You should just deal with it." when it comes to toxic behaviour and report calling (which creates more toxicity). But, as this is the internet, I do not actually know if that was your meaning. Was it?

I apologize if my comment seemed like I was accusing you or anyone of anything, but I am not. I think you take this a bit too far with the "colourful language" and actual accusations. Why call me "filthy inbred sheep" and "cancer"? What does that add of depth or value to this discussion?

i feel like im gonna pop a vain whit you people. like you make me soooooo livid its no even funny as does every typical sheepole lefty you are focusing the wrong issue that isnt even the subject of the debate

-_- irl when some one is verbally assaulting you you walk away. if they follow you you call the cops. finally in a worst case you have to defend your self physically

in league of legends you cant walk away you have no choice but to spend some times 1h 30 mins in the worst cases with pure human garbage only to report and pray -_-

no buddy tolerates those things accept the people who commit to them and the idea that that is some how the area you should be thinking about or talking over tells me a you are a leftest b your head is on cloud nine and needs to come back to relaity c you have far to much free time d you are worse then those people becuase you actully cuase the discussion to get stuck for literally no reason

why is leftest bad? ask killary cliton who happily calls people on the right racists homophobic sexist Islamophobic enemies and deplorable -_-

understand while you arent an american being in the euw this is one of the faces that leads the left and the people at least over here like sheep happily gleefully charge head first over a cliff for this crap like it has any bearing on reality or will make any meaningful impact to vomit it out

FOR THE RECORD THIS CRAP MAKES ME SO MAD I HAD TO EDIT IT THIS DOWN SEVERAL TIMES TO ATTEMPT AT STAYING MILD.

StigtriXOct 17, 20162 votes

feel like im gonna pop a vain whit you people. like you make me soooooo livid its no even funny as does every typical sheepole lefty you are focusing the wrong issue that isnt even the subject of the debate.

Come on... No need to stoop that low.

irl when some one is verbally assaulting you you walk away. if they follow you you call the cops. finally in a worst case you have to defend your self physically.

In League of Legends, you have the opportunity to mute the ones who verbally assault you. If they keep on being nasty, you can report them. Follow it up with a mail to riot support in addition if you find the behaviour especially bad and provide evidence to make the case easier for Riot (hit F12 to get screenshots in-game). I do, and I find that it works.

in league of legends you cant walk away you have no choice but to spend some times 1h 30 mins in the worst cases with pure human garbage only to report and pray

Good point. This is one of the most frustrating parts about League of Legends that I would like Riot to address. The Tribunal 2.0 is soon here, so let's hope it will come with some solutions too. If the reported player did something serious, there might be a punishment straight away. If it was not that serious, but the player keeps on with the behaviour: punishment. Just remember to fill out the form rather than leaving it blank, as it makes the task easier for Riot.

no buddy tolerates those things accept the people who commit to them and the idea that that is some how the area you should be thinking about or talking over tells me a you are a leftest

What has this to do about "buddies"? I do not get what you are on about in the last part of the sentence. I am European, more specifically Norwegian, which by definition puts me to the left regardless of my party allegiance compared to USA. Your point being?

b your head is on cloud nine and needs to come back to relaity

No, it is not. This is about creating a healthy environment where there is no room for toxic behaviour. One does not fight it by being toxic back or report calling.

c you have far to much free time

I don't, as I am finishing my master's degree.

d you are worse then those people becuase you actully cuase the discussion to get stuck for literally no reason

No. The problem is that you do not try to understand my points at all. You try to rip them apart and make them mean something else. Just look at section two of my last post which made you angry because you interpreted it wrongly, and then cursed at me and accused me of calling you things.

why is leftest bad? ask killary cliton who happily calls people on the right racists homophobic sexist Islamophobic enemies and deplorable

What does this have to do with anything? And if you want to play that card, just look at what Trump spouts of foul language and accusations... I really do not get you, not at all.

What is it that I, as a Norwegian and European, do not get? I cannot seem to make this overly long sentence make any sense.

FOR THE RECORD THIS CRAP MAKES ME SO MAD I HAD TO EDIT IT THIS DOWN SEVERAL TIMES TO ATTEMPT AT STAYING MILD.

Well, I applaud you for doing that, but I still think you need to drop the name-calling and racial slurs (referring to Europeans and "lefties" and putting them in one, convenient bag. The world is not that black and white).

2heqU4qWzeOct 17, 20162 votes

Pft. Why do you get so easily offended.

StigtriXOct 17, 20162 votes

You remove the weed so the toxic plants do not set root.

AirKingNeoOct 17, 20161 votes

Similarly, you could remove people trolling and no one is toxic about them.

Remove toxic people and no one becomes reactively toxic.

No seriously, this is the kind of ideology we should have.

dapositivevikingOct 17, 20161 votes

aggresive people will always find a reason to be toxic. successfully remove the intentional feeders and trolls and afks, and the toxic people will still flame the players who don't play to their expectation.

Great MutaOct 17, 20163 votes

This is good to know, but Riot needs to be posting this stuff on their main website so everyone can see. Lack of knowledge is the problem.

LXIIOct 17, 20162 votes

I find it a little silly that saying "Please report Hecarim, he's flaming hard" in game is bannable but if you wait and type the same thing in post game it's cool.

StigtriXOct 17, 20161 votes

It is because doing so in the game often results in the environment becoming toxic. Doing so in the post-game chat lobby does not affect the game at all.

I once informed a player that report calling is a bannable offense, and that he/she should wait until after the game after he/she report called at the start of the game. The toxic chat between the report caller and the respective target took up over one chat page in less than one minute after that. I wrote "Do you see what I'm taking bout?", and they could simply not deny the effect it had, and the toxic chat calmed down for a while.

AirKingNeoOct 17, 20161 votes

I mean, it doesn't change the fact that some player needs to be reported. Honestly I wouldn't report someone for asking you to report someone, especially if they say 'please', unless they go all temper tantrum in chat.

The reason is simple. Why punish a victim for them asking for help? It might not be appropriate but ask yourself if it's really morally right to want the victim punished?

StigtriXOct 17, 20161 votes

I address this in a post a bit further down. It is a bit complicated:

Report calling is the least visible offense in the sense that Riot has not addressed it clearly, and it needs to be clarified:

"Bear in mind that the reporting feature is not meant to be used as a means of retaliation against a player. While we encourage Summoners to submit reports of inappropriate behavior, we do want all Summoners to exercise calm and humane judgment while doing so." Source: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

No examples are listed, and the introduction where the quoted text is taken from does not carry the same weight as the examples with pictures and bold headings.

AirKingNeoOct 17, 20161 votes

So basically you agree on me with how you really shouldn't report someone for report calling unless they act toxic about it?

StigtriXOct 17, 20161 votes

Yes, but I personally insist on informing them that report calling is a bannable offense during the game, but that it is allowed after the game. If I can affect a few persons and change how they report call, it might result in less toxic games, as it does not become the focus of the game.

LXIIOct 18, 20161 votes

I understand the reasoning, I just think they should go one way or the other with it to avoid players getting reported themselves for report calling at the "Wrong time".

At least this post gets the information out there though so it could potentially solver that problem.

The WhamboozlerOct 18, 20162 votes

I have a much more simple system for reports than all of that summoner's code nonsense.

Any game I lose, I just report everyone playing. The enemy were clearly a 5 man premade of smurfing scripters and deserved it and my own team was clearly trolling to throw the game for me. Yes, even if I'm 0/14 and they're all positive. It's a brilliant system because of how simple it is.

Crawford881Oct 18, 20161 votes

When you report a lot, the system deprioritizes your reports.

The WhamboozlerOct 18, 20161 votes

<----- The joke.

<----- Your head.

ModPrandineOct 20, 2016

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<----- The joke.

<----- Your head.

Well in their defense it's hard to tell at times if someone is joking or not via text, especially if the joker doesn't even bother stating that it's a joke in the first place.

The WhamboozlerOct 21, 20162 votes

First of all.

Second of all... now that you know my true identity, I have to kill you. Once I'm thru killing the Bat man, at least.

ofartOct 20, 20161 votes

I think it shouldn't be but I understand why it is. Too many people are calling for false reports and that basically qualifies as harassment. If we could have 100% of people only request a report when it's flagrant and entirely justified, this wouldn't be an issue. Unfortunately, we live in the real world so the rules need to take that into account.

JorV101Apr 4, 20171 votes

Riot needs a 100% re haul of this god awful system, 90% of the time at the end of a game i see 4 of the enemies of my allies(whoever lost) call out for 1 player to be reported because they lost lane and went like 1/6. This wouldnt matter if the reports lead to nothing but since many of my friends jump for joy when they get the player banned notification. This happens so frequently I would say that my group of friends gets 3-4 players banned a week. Sometime whithout the player saying a word. The system needs human interaction but it has been proven 100x over that there is never direct input but a human being. (main evidence is the fact players are banned within 5 min of getting reported after a game