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Renascent23 votesHow about, instead of a sword we get a banner/flag?
Bladerunner77771 votesthis pls
StigtriX2 votesI like the suggestion, but it poses a lot of problems, hence why I have suggested a recall animation where he uses it instead. The main problem is the size, which would make attacks weird unless they are totally redone.
Tohob8 votesthis is a good idea. i think more than just 1 of the skins should have alternate colors for their swords. gold for warlord, red for blood moon, and probably metallic grey for surgeon.
it wouldn't make me happy with the rework, but it would make it look better.
My Waifu Vanilla2 votesAgreed. It isn't even asking for much imo and would just make it look.....better I guess since currently the off-blue spirit sword looks really weird with the non-blue Shen skins (Warlord/Blood Moon/Yellow Jacket).
inb4: "mah 
tho" - Riot Games 2016
ExecutorDill1 votes[{quoted}](name=My Waifu Chocola,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nTHlpgc7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-01-17T00:43:43.719+0000)
Agreed. It isn't even asking for much imo and would just make it look.....better I guess since currently the off-blue spirit sword looks really weird with the non-blue Shen skins (Warlord/Blood Moon/Yellow Jacket).
inb4: "mah
Doesn't really look bad for blood moon imho as the purplish dark blue gives me the feeling of dark spirits within the sword e.g. 
, and BM Shen's red doesn't look bad with it I think it's better than making it red like the other Blood Mood skins, too much red looks weird.
And Yellow Jacket shen has some purple accents on his model that help it match with the sword.
But for Warlord Shen I could definitely see this change, it'd only stand to make the skin look better and give off a better mystical theme. Golden Sword FTW!!!
RiotRiot Ranger XIV2 votesHey Stigtrix and everyone else that posted!
I worked on the team that did the Shen rework and I really like the feedback you gave. This is a great idea. Saying that though, the team decided to do other things for Warlord Shen. The blades being individual was a big deal to us but keeping it to some consistent color was also a big deal for competitive integrity. I know that we have failed that in the past so things that have the chance of changing team fights need to be easily identified. The animator that worked on Warlord Shen has done some awesome things. I've seen him around the office with a fake plastic sword practicing unique and awesome moves for Shen.
Thank you again for the awesome idea Stigtrix, after Shen comes out and you get to play around with him. Let me know how you feel about this skin, one way or another.
ExecutorDill3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Ranger XIV,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nTHlpgc7,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2016-01-25T17:44:45.886+0000)
Hey Stigtrix and everyone else that posted!
I worked on the team that did the Shen rework and I really like the feedback you gave. This is a great idea. Saying that though, the team decided to do other things for Warlord Shen. The blades being individual was a big deal to us but keeping it to some consistent color was also a big deal for competitive integrity. I know that we have failed that in the past so things that have the chance of changing team fights need to be easily identified. The animator that worked on Warlord Shen has done some awesome things. I've seen him around the office with a fake plastic sword practicing unique and awesome moves for Shen.
Thank you again for the awesome idea Stigtrix, after Shen comes out and you get to play around with him. Let me know how you feel about this skin, one way or another.
So Ekko can have all gold vfx and slightly altered animations on his Sandstorm skin but it's a competitive play problem to do the same for shen? Plz let me know if I am missing something important here :/
Ariel the Cruel1 votesGoing to take a shot in the dark here.
Ekko's abilities are out temporarily; tracking is limited to the effect appearing and disappearing. Shen's spirit sword is permanently in play; so making it consistent with the base skin helps with tracking.
A similar argument could be made for Ahri's passive. Because her orb never actually goes away, you track her passive based on the color change - which is why it is the same for every skin.
I could be completely off here; but that would seem to most logical response.
ExecutorDill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nTHlpgc7,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2016-01-25T19:06:05.232+0000)
Going to take a shot in the dark here.
Ekko's abilities are out temporarily; tracking is limited to the effect appearing and disappearing. Shen's spirit sword is permanently in play; so making it consistent with the base skin helps with tracking.
A similar argument could be made for Ahri's passive. Because her orb never actually goes away, you track her passive based on the color change - which is why it is the same for every skin.
I could be completely off here; but that would seem to most logical response.
WTF is so haard about tracking an AUTO ATTACK. It's a flipping AUTO- Attack. With a range no longer than regular melees. I understand having ahri's orb remain green let's the enemy player now her next basic attack will restore health but I don't see how changing it's color to Yellow makes it any more hard to know when he has a flipping empowered passive. Someone plz give me a job at Riot.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesThe OP is talking about recoloring Shen's Spirit sword. The spirit sword is dragged around by his Q for [bonus] damage and is the center of his dodge field. That is a lot more than just an auto-attack, which is why tracking it is important. His passive also grants him a shield now; not empower his AA (that's Q). (>_>)
Earl Eulrich1 votesit´s a big floating glowing sword...like shen it is not really good at hiding, no matter what colour.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesWhether or not I agree is irrelevant. But looking from Riot's perspective, that seems to most logical answer to the proposed question:
So Ekko can have all gold vfx and slightly altered animations on his Sandstorm skin but it's a competitive play problem to do the same for shen?
As for it being a big floating sword. . . http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=1001491 Find Shen.
Earl Eulrich1 votesnot lying, shen had been the first thing i saw on that picture...
the whole sword-mechanic is just stupid, it doesn´t really add to his gameplay or the game in the slightest, it also doesn´t fit his thematics - i´m just still in mourning. They just do way too much of this unwanted mutilations latly (and strangly mostly to my favourite champs, r.i.p. karma). and they canßt even make the tiniest step in the right direction towards the playerbase, they just follow their concepts till the (dead) end not willing to listen to anything.
ExecutorDill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nTHlpgc7,comment-id=000d0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-25T20:36:40.430+0000)
not lying, shen had been the first thing i saw on that picture...
the whole sword-mechanic is just stupid, it doesn´t really add to his gameplay or the game in the slightest, it also doesn´t fit his thematics - i´m just still in mourning. They just do way too much of this unwanted mutilations latly (and strangly mostly to my favourite champs, r.i.p. karma). and they canßt even make the tiniest step in the right direction towards the playerbase, they just follow their concepts till the (dead) end not willing to listen to anything.
How does it not fit his thematics? What do you think his thematics are? Do you even play Shen? It seems to me your seizing this moment to talk about your lost for Karma :/
Shen is a mystical ninja with projects his energy as shields and swords and vitalize his fighting power. Sounds very thematic to me. He tips the scales of balance in his favour ( W makes him an allies dodge attacks, if that isn't tipping scales then I don't know what is). The reason why I kinda liked shen's gamplay design is because it was the opposite of flashy abilities. Most things he did seemed as something an average person could do... just infused with Ki Energy.
Earl Eulrich1 votesa) he´s not a mystical ninja, he´s the eye of the twilight - and he´s there to protect balance without having any prejudices or emotions influence his judgement, not to tip anything in anyone´s favour...the least for himself. He´s a servant of a greater good, not a narcisisst.
b) exactly, he shouldn´t relay on flashyness...but that is what that very sword is. He doesn´t even have the tools to control it properly, so now he´s more of a pet to a nameless glowing sword than a thoroughly trained warriror. He should be the sword and the shield in his own person, not a puppet that is bound to them.
ExecutorDill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nTHlpgc7,comment-id=000d000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-25T22:35:05.943+0000)
a) he´s not a mystical ninja, he´s the eye of the twilight - and he´s there to protect balance without having any prejudices or emotions influence his judgement, not to tip anything in anyone´s favour...the least for himself. He´s a servant of a greater good, not a narcisisst.
b) exactly, he shouldn´t relay on flashyness...but that is what that very sword is. He doesn´t even have the tools to control it properly, so now he´s more of a pet to a nameless glowing sword than a thoroughly trained warriror. He should be the sword and the shield in his own person, not a puppet that is bound to them.
A. Ya I know his dam lore I read it many times and though I know he's not a narcissist this a flipping League of Legends. Their not gonna let you start attacking your team or choose which side you fight for on the rift, so as neutral as he is when it comes to gameplay the scale is very one-sided (if you get me)
B. Shen's new long lore entry hasn't been added yet. For all you know that very sword could contain the spirit of his fallen Father/Master.
Also I'm not sure if I get that metaphor. What do you mean by, "He should be the sword and the shield in his own person"?
Earl Eulrich1 votesAlso I'm not sure if I get that metaphor. What do you mean by, "He should be the sword and the shield in his own person"?
well, what i expect from a Warrior that is the embodiment of balance is that he is in full control of himself - he shouldn´t have to play around external "needs". Before the rework Shen pretty much had been like that...you always felt like you were in full control over the Champion, now you run around a glowing light like a freaking insect.
Cosnirak1 votesYOU put the sword where it is. It goes where YOU tell it to. You do not go where it tells you to. If anything is the puppet, the sword is.
Ariel the Cruel1 votescoughRepertoirecough
Earl Eulrich1 votesthat´s talking, so far the actions they are taking with shen is just more of the same old pattern....bring to pbe, ignore outcry, bring to live anyway.
i´m sure repertoire is a fine guy and just trying to do the right thing, but it´s pretty much a battle he canßt win on his own unfortunatly.
ExecutorDill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Ranger XIV,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nTHlpgc7,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2016-01-25T17:44:45.886+0000)
Hey Stigtrix and everyone else that posted!
I worked on the team that did the Shen rework and I really like the feedback you gave. This is a great idea. Saying that though, the team decided to do other things for Warlord Shen. The blades being individual was a big deal to us but keeping it to some consistent color was also a big deal for competitive integrity. I know that we have failed that in the past so things that have the chance of changing team fights need to be easily identified. The animator that worked on Warlord Shen has done some awesome things. I've seen him around the office with a fake plastic sword practicing unique and awesome moves for Shen.
Thank you again for the awesome idea Stigtrix, after Shen comes out and you get to play around with him. Let me know how you feel about this skin, one way or another.
The Animator? So yes to Recall animation or no? :P
Hyrum Graff1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Ranger XIV,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nTHlpgc7,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2016-01-25T17:44:45.886+0000)
Hey Stigtrix and everyone else that posted!
I worked on the team that did the Shen rework and I really like the feedback you gave. This is a great idea. Saying that though, the team decided to do other things for Warlord Shen. The blades being individual was a big deal to us but keeping it to some consistent color was also a big deal for competitive integrity. I know that we have failed that in the past so things that have the chance of changing team fights need to be easily identified. The animator that worked on Warlord Shen has done some awesome things. I've seen him around the office with a fake plastic sword practicing unique and awesome moves for Shen.
Thank you again for the awesome idea Stigtrix, after Shen comes out and you get to play around with him. Let me know how you feel about this skin, one way or another.
Maybe if the sword glowed yellow during his recall animation or something like that...
StigtriX1 votesThanks for the reply, mate! :) Unfortunately, I do not own the skin myself, as the original did not appeal to me. That might change now :P Good job on the update!
I might play around with the skin at a friends house or just buy it. Shen is finally a beefcake ninja with awesome models, so the skins appeal more to me in general now :D When looking at skins before release, I use Surrender @ 20's posts in addition to the skin preview videos, as I have no PBE account.
http://i.imgur.com/9VLMC3M.png
I really like that you share interesting stuff with us like that :P I can imagine him going around the office waving his plastic sword while screaming: "COME TO ME, SPIRIT BLADE!", like a LRP guy, scaring the bejeebuz out of others.
Maybe a bit late now, but the skin I am personally more interested in a small fix for is the Frozen Shen skin, which I think is too monochrome, like the old version. It is kind of hard to discern the different parts, and he lacks contrast. I have made a lot of suggestions and posted them here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/B7uZa5RX-frozen-shen-needs-more-contrast-no-more-monochrome-like-the-old-model-also-was
Cheers!
StigtriX1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Ranger XIV,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nTHlpgc7,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2016-01-25T17:44:45.886+0000)
Hey Stigtrix and everyone else that posted!
I worked on the team that did the Shen rework and I really like the feedback you gave. This is a great idea. Saying that though, the team decided to do other things for Warlord Shen. The blades being individual was a big deal to us but keeping it to some consistent color was also a big deal for competitive integrity. I know that we have failed that in the past so things that have the chance of changing team fights need to be easily identified. The animator that worked on Warlord Shen has done some awesome things. I've seen him around the office with a fake plastic sword practicing unique and awesome moves for Shen.
Thank you again for the awesome idea Stigtrix, after Shen comes out and you get to play around with him. Let me know how you feel about this skin, one way or another.
I have not tried this speciffic skin yet, but I have tried Blood Moon Shen, Frozen Shen and Yellow Jacket Shen. There are some clear visibility issues that really need to be adressed. This is taken from the post I left you regarding the Blood Moon skin, that sums it all up:
I have tested the skin now, and I must say I am quite disappointed. The irony is that by being so extremely careful with making his blade red (for allied or enemy), you have instead made them both blue/ purple, creating a problem that is worse than I could ever imagine. The only difference between the Spirit Blades is a small, red circle beneath the enemy blade, which is hardly visible at all. It gets even worse in team fights. Spirit's Refuge is also the exact same colour, or at least so close that I cannot see the difference if I am fighting against another Blood Moon Shen. My allies also get confused, and do not know where to seek shelter.
The only Spirit Blade that truly stands out is Frozen Shen's because of the brighter colour. However, this is not the case if there is an opposing Frozen Shen too. This underlines, at least to me, that a clear colour difference between ally- and enemy abilities is very important.
The visibility problem goes for the skins I have tested so far: Blood Moon Shen, Frozen Shen and Yellow Jacket Shen. The ability colours are too close to each other. I would dare say this visibility problem is so bad that you need to apply some colour adjustements to every Shen skin next patch.
Suggestions for improvements:
- The enemy's Spirit Blade and spirit trail attached to Shen need to be red, much like how Ekko's trail differs from that of the opposing Ekko
- The base colour of the Spirit Blade, Spirit's Refuge and Ki Barrier should be different for every skin (see the links at the end of the post), so that it is easier to immediately tie the skills to an allied Shen. Blood Moon Shen could have a brighter purple hue, with some subtle red added to the spirit waves, to be closer to the Blood Moon skin theme (red is already reserved for enemy abilities). See the notes under Regarding the colours and contrasts of the skins for more details.
It may sound harsh, but I am being as honest as I can, and not trying to be negative. I want you to truly understand the issue.
Regarding the colours and contrasts of the skins:
- Blood Moon Shen looks good, but he could have had some brighter reds here and there, especially his gloves, and the red band and eyes on the sword guard and handle. I am still confused by his Spirit Blade and the blade on his back having very different designs. Why is this a thing?
- Yellow Jacket Shen could use some more vivid yellows. His chest is a bit brighter, but the yellow overall is too muted and dirty. His shoulders would benefit from some colour adjustements too, so they stand out more from the rest of the armour
- Frozen Shen is the skin that suffers the most and is almost monochrome. He really is in need of some contrast, especially for his face mask. Please take a look at my links at the end of this post. I really like the colour of his Spirit Blade though! Ice blue!
The overall designs of the skins are awesome, so this is more about visibility and colour adjustments than anything else. I really love the new models and they make Shen feel more unique.
Posts that I have created or done some work on for the respective skins, where possible adjustments are discussed:
**Blood Moon Shen **(this very post) http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/E0TgEGMR-blood-moon-shen-spirit-blade-correction-blue-red
Yellow Jacket Shen - post by Pyrithegethon, colour adjustment by me http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/IrAJ3Pct-are-we-able-to-make-yellow-jacket-shen-spirit-sword-yellow
Warlord Shen http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/nTHlpgc7-warlord-shen-golden-spirit-sword
Teslablade1 votesEasily his best skin.
Azteryz1 votesonly new thing im seeing in the skin besides new texture is they have a different auto animation for him i would approve this change
Son Olivia Hye1 votespls we need this
All Day Tay Tay1 votestalking about this guy? http://imgur.com/gallery/JNUXHiZ
Patoto151 votesi was thinking the same excact thing there is no reason for them to change the blade but not its color to fit nicely on the skin
StigtriX1 votesThey have already given Surgeon shen a blue Spirit Blade with a grey/ metal grey hue, and that is in the same price tier (975), so it would make sense to at least do this for Warlord Shen as well :) Even Frozen Shen has been given a different hue: it has a lighter and brighter blue.
Here are some pictures for clarification (follow the links as there are many!):
Surgeon Shen http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/01/113-pbe-update.html#shen5
Frozen Shen http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/01/113-pbe-update.html#shen3
hotarse1 votesLeague of Shitends 2019. Nazi moderators 2019. Fuck off! Ban me already fuckers.
kaltenashes1 votesits a good idea overall and looks awesome, but all others other skins' blade are blue-ish (lighter,darker etc...) and i dont think they should change the color because the game has already thousands of abilities and will have more with more champs being released that yellow sword could make the screen a total mess during a team fight and confuse players
Spaceplanet1 votesThat would make the skin 1820 RP xD
insaiyanbacca2 votesnah it would only make it 1350 at most, 1350 skins have changed spell effects and a voice filter and 975s get some spell effect changes. where 1820(legendary tier) get all spell effects changed all the emote animations changed model changed and an entirely new voice over.
H3llion1 votesAgreed. Upgrading the models isn't enough if his abilities, the bread and butter of his visuals are all the same.
ExecutorDill1 votesI like this Idea a lot!
WickedCrow1 votesAs much as I would like it, they didnt bother to change any of the colors on Poppy's reworked skins, so I wouldnt hold your breath. If taric has any magical glowing stuff in his update, possibly for auras, heal, or his ult (if it stays similar) they may not change the colors on his skins either.
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