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Gragas Undressed··1 votes·2,751 views

These chat bans are getting absurd. I just received a 25 game chat ban for the below info. Let me give a premise first:

Our top lane Teemo DC'd at 5 minutes and never came back. Our Mid Brand is cursing at everyone, throwing F bombs, and calling us all b*tches. Our Trist ADC is inting, admitting she's inting in chat, and her and Brand won't FF. Our Janna Supp was the only positive player on the team. I was Jung.

The "worst" things I said in the below are "damnit Brand" and when I call him out for being toxic which I said made him worse than the DC.

How in the world is this worthy of a 25 game chat ban??? And there's no appeal process. I miss the days where judgement was handed down by the Tribunal. At least then we were being judged by people and not algorithms. They could also see the other players comments and take those into account. I just don't get it. Are we just not allowed to talk any longer?

Game 1 Gragas Undressed: ooh i gotta go tanky Gragas Undressed: i like that Gragas Undressed: yeah, but i assume we lose if we have a teemo... Gragas Undressed: ty Gragas Undressed: i'll brb Gragas Undressed: gotta protec top Gragas Undressed: teemo dc Gragas Undressed: damn bad timing for knife cat to show up :P Gragas Undressed: nah, i coulda gotten out Gragas Undressed: this gg anyway Gragas Undressed: teemo still dc Gragas Undressed: he can Gragas Undressed: and he knows it Gragas Undressed: it's over in 1.5 min Gragas Undressed: report teemo dc pls Gragas Undressed: can doesn't mean will Gragas Undressed: why waste time? Gragas Undressed: lol Gragas Undressed: damnit brand Gragas Undressed: just ff Gragas Undressed: yowza Gragas Undressed: reporting Gragas Undressed: cursing like a salty sea dog! Gragas Undressed: yup Gragas Undressed: why what? Gragas Undressed: i started the ff genius Gragas Undressed: lol Gragas Undressed: brand you're the worst player on the team. not only dying like crazy but talking trash. teemo is better than you. Gragas Undressed: nah, we ain't winning this Gragas Undressed: yall wasting our time Gragas Undressed: pls end Gragas Undressed: tired of this 4v5 Gragas Undressed: she's purposely throwing because yall won't ff Gragas Undressed: like i've said, we just wasting time Gragas Undressed: report trist, brand, and teemo Gragas Undressed: nah, inting ain't cool Gragas Undressed: even if i want the game over Gragas Undressed: still inting Gragas Undressed: you said it's your last game Gragas Undressed: who cares if you get banned? Gragas Undressed: y u care? Gragas Undressed: you quitting Gragas Undressed: and 9x report on inting will def get you banned

Here are links to screenshot of the log so you can know I didn't alter anything: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w0nl1nmz90auxkn/Log1.PNG?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/179rrseqem2mxyw/Log2.PNG?dl=0

50 Comments

Pika Fox11 votes

Berated brand, and calling for reports. Overall negative attitude.

Gragas Undressed1 votes

So me telling him he's worse than our DC for cursing at everyone should get a chat restriction? 25 games of chat restriction? I was trying to explain that his bad behavior was worse than the DC that made him so mad. Where in the summoner's code does it say you can't call for reports?

Pika Fox7 votes

Yes, it is deserving. And calling for reports is a form of harassment. Play the game. 9 reports mean the same as 1 report, the system doesnt care.

Gragas Undressed1 votes

Where does it say calling for reports is harassment? If that's true, I'll stop doing it. But I've never seen that.

Pika Fox1 votes

It doesnt need to say it, it is. It doesnt help them play better or change the situation any.

Gragas Undressed1 votes

I disagree that it's harassment, but that's a difference of opinion between the two of us. Doesn't calling for a report change the situation by potentially getting them punished, therefore creating the possibility they may reform?

Scuttle1 votes

it doesn't change the situation because any reports past the first don't matter. you report them and move on.

Gragas Undressed1 votes

This doesn't make sense to me. I've reported people in the past for excessive cursing or using hateful and racist language, and I haven't received feedback that anything happened. It's only when I've seen multiple people report someone that anything seems to be done about it. Is there a post where Riot says that it only takes one report to create punishment?

Silent Gravity3 votes

From Riot Tantram, the guy who heads the Player Behavior team, and wrote much of the IFS' code.

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HALtvP5a,comment-id=00000000000000010000000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2018-04-24T21:45:22.296+0000)

"Ganging up on" someone via reports doesn't do anything. 1 report is the same as 9. More reports does not increase the chance of a game being reviewed. All it takes is a single report.

Or, here's the code, as it's written:

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rIOgTf8s,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-20T20:50:23.340+0000)

I've done this before. Let me post the ACTUAL line of code:

if (reportCount > 0) { ... }

It's line 57 of this particular class. I wrote it.


It can feel like additional reports are more likely to cause a punishment because when the behavior is worse, more people report. When the behavior is worse, then they're also more likely to receive a punishment. It's completely unrelated with number of reports.

Gragas Undressed2 votes

Thanks for sharing this. I really appreciate it! I'll definitely stop doing that from now on.

Silent Gravity1 votes

That sounds great. Without those lines in your log, you'll be much less likely to receive any future punishments.

I'm glad I could help.

I hope you have a good weekend.

Chermorg6 votes

Harassment is defined by Merriam Webster as:

  1. to annoy persistently OR
  2. to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct

Your chat fits both of those. You were annoying someone persistently, and furthermore you were creating a hostile situation with uninvited and unwelcome verbal conduct. Nobody wants to see you going around continually ragging on others, blaming, calling for them to be reported, etc.

Gragas Undressed1 votes

So harassment, in this case, is subjective to the algorithm they use to punish players based on the reports received.

Your response seems to imply that I was just being toxic toward these people. I was telling Brand his actions were worse than the DC'd player because he was attacking other players verbally. Me telling people to FF when we have a 4v5, someone inting, and someone attacking other players does not seem incorrect to me. No one was having fun any longer.

But I see that it doesn't matter what anyone else was doing, only what I did in response. So the correct way to communicate in this game is clearly to not.

Chermorg3 votes

No, the correct way to communicate in this game is any way which is not negative, harassing, abusive, or flaming in nature.

Gloric1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:11:05.982+0000)

It doesnt need to say it, it is. It doesnt help them play better or change the situation any.

Then remove chat, almost everything ever said in chat is useless and unhelpful to a game, entirely. "pings are enough" right?

Pika Fox1 votes

No need to remove chat for everyone, just people who abuse it.

Gloric1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-04T22:05:03.549+0000)

No need to remove chat for everyone, just people who abuse it.

I agree, but currently that isn't an option. It's just char restrictions, then bans.

Pika Fox3 votes

Well i mean, thats how it should be. You cant permanently remove chat for people because then they just troll instead. I meant people who do negative things in game should just get chat restrictions (though id prefer a warning before a chat restriction)

Gloric1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T22:24:21.238+0000)

Well i mean, thats how it should be. You cant permanently remove chat for people because then they just troll instead. I meant people who do negative things in game should just get chat restrictions (though id prefer a warning before a chat restriction)

Sorry, but wrong, I have never trolled, never will, will never int, will never grief or try to ruin someone else's game. But I blow up in chat quite easily these days.

I'm not some spiteful kid who is going to tangibly ruin other people's games like that because I get mad in chat but can't anymore. Those people who do will be caught after the fact and be banned for that separate issue, I would hope. Doesn't mean the middle layer should be cut out completely. If we want to step back into the real life crime analysis on this, it's exactly like saying

"Well most convicts re-offend, so all crime should just land a life time in prison yeah? no chance of parole right? yep righto. That guy got caught selling weed a few times? yeah no different than the serial killer.

Pika Fox1 votes

Ok, but thats you. Riot already tested this, and they found that most people just turn to lashing out via other methods if they simply couldnt respond in chat, so it wasnt worth a perma chat ban.

Gloric1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=00000000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T23:15:41.390+0000)

Ok, but thats you. Riot already tested this, and they found that most people just turn to lashing out via other methods if they simply couldnt respond in chat, so it wasnt worth a perma chat ban.

The same animosity will be garnered by perm banned people who are just as spiteful. They will level a new account and they will NOT care at all anymore.

Pika Fox1 votes

And they are rapidly sifted away from new players within 2 games and a new account gets banned far faster for negative behavior than a long standing one.

Gloric1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-04T17:54:53.285+0000)

Berated brand, and calling for reports. Overall negative attitude.

Still barely worth a chat restriction, let alone a 25 game one. This is some weak shit and if you deny that your opinion is utterly ignorable.

fatherdarius1 votes

"Berated Brand"... it sounds like a new Brand skin selling for 1350 RP. :D :D

ModPeriscope5 votes

3rd line from the start:

Gragas Undressed: yeah, but i assume we lose if we have a teemo... Gragas Undressed: report teemo dc pls

Every champion has their strengths and weaknesses. This line was not encouraging any teamwork, and it's insulting to the player who picked Teemo.

Then, after the Teemo had gone afk/dc, you singled out a different player:

Gragas Undressed: brand you're the worst player on the team. not only dying like crazy but talking trash. teemo is better than you.

The rest is general insults and discouraging chat. We've all played 4v5s; some are winnable, most aren't. You don't have to add to the terrible situation with this chat.

Gragas Undressed: nah, we ain't winning this Gragas Undressed: yall wasting our time Gragas Undressed: pls end Gragas Undressed: tired of this 4v5 Gragas Undressed: she's purposely throwing because yall won't ff Gragas Undressed: like i've said, we just wasting time Gragas Undressed: report trist, brand, and teemo Gragas Undressed: nah, inting ain't cool Gragas Undressed: even if i want the game over Gragas Undressed: still inting Gragas Undressed: you said it's your last game Gragas Undressed: who cares if you get banned? Gragas Undressed: y u care? Gragas Undressed: you quitting Gragas Undressed: and 9x report on inting will def get you banned

About calling for reports, which you did several times this game: it only takes 1 report to trigger a review of one's actions. Calling for reports is unnecessary and more often than not, can be harassing.

It does seem like a punishment was warranted here.

If you disagree, feel free to write a support ticket.

Gragas Undressed1 votes

Thank you for the thought out and thorough response. The Teemo comment at the beginning was a joke and he knew it. We were talking about it in lobby.

I definitely called out Brand because he was cursing at everyone on the team. I felt that was uncalled for.

By the end I was disappointed because we had a DC, someone raging, and someone inting and we couldn't surrender because the rager and inter refused. So they were dragging out our bad time. I didn't have the option to AFK because that's a reportable offense.

I guess I don't see any way to have handled this better other than to just mute everyone which seems ridiculous because I'm still stuck in a game I no longer want to be in.

Gloric1 votes

{quoted}

3rd line from the start:

Every champion has their strengths and weaknesses. This line was not encouraging any teamwork, and it's insulting to the player who picked Teemo.

Then, after the Teemo had gone afk/dc, you singled out a different player:

The rest is general insults and discouraging chat. We've all played 4v5s; some are winnable, most aren't. You don't have to add to the terrible situation with this chat. Gragas Undressed: yall wasting our time Gragas Undressed: pls end Gragas Undressed: tired of this 4v5 Gragas Undressed: she's purposely throwing because yall won't ff Gragas Undressed: like i've said, we just wasting time Gragas Undressed: report trist, brand, and teemo Gragas Undressed: nah, inting ain't cool Gragas Undressed: even if i want the game over Gragas Undressed: still inting Gragas Undressed: you said it's your last game Gragas Undressed: who cares if you get banned? Gragas Undressed: y u care? Gragas Undressed: you quitting Gragas Undressed: and 9x report on inting will def get you banned

About calling for reports, which you did several times this game: it only takes 1 report to trigger a review of one's actions. Calling for reports is unnecessary and more often than not, can be harassing.

It does seem like a punishment was warranted here.

If you disagree, feel free to write a support ticket.

Still weak as shit to have a punishment for. The game's going to shit if this is enough to get someone punished. But trolls and such go unpunished.

Dr Jinzo2 votes

Honestly they are out of hand. This game TAKES FOREVER TO GET A HONOR level and just like that, a couple feeding trolls can report you. Boom, banned even from a 10 game chat and you lose all of all your honor. Honestly, this penalty structure is straight Bullsh*t. Im not surprised more people leave this game every week. The people who run it are on cloud nine and have no logical real world execution on how people really are. Its like they live in this California "no one tilts" false mindset. The reality is there are more trolls in League than another game currently on market. You have to account for that in the bans. Im pretty much over this game. Now they want you to have lvl 2 honors for Clash and you cant even get that now. It doesnt even matter if you mute all anymore, people can legit report for anything especially if its a premade who love to gang up one people. Rito is run by people who have zero knowledge of the real world and what this game has become. They can stare at numbers and data all day, but the reality is, they are not looking at the overall community, which is largely lower ranking Bronze and Silver players who are the most toxic of any level. This "negative attitude" mentality excuse is what kills everything. You cannot be positive when you lose the game instantly. Some games are a loss, from the start, based on player skill, comp choice and overall temperament. If you want to use the "negative attitude" as your excuse all the time, go join the liberal tolerance band wagon lol. its ridiculous how immature and borderline pre-teen the logic of the LoL community is. People suck, thats the reality, and you need a system that accounts for it and really takes serious offenses into account and not random troll reports when its not even warranted. oh boo hoo "harassment" for playing bad and not listening to actual advice during game and getting tilted for being just bad lol Low elo players only care about DMG and KDA, nothing else. If they dont have either, they tilt, and are "losing" even if by strategy the team is winning. Fuk off with your "harassment" mentalities. Jesus.

Kei1432 votes

The system punishes based on consistency x severity.

This chat isn't severe, so I'd look at how often you would have such behavior.

Fyi, asking for reports is typically used for harassment and giving up is also a shunned upon in the community's eyes.

There really isn't a need to 9x report someone. 1 report is enough to flag the system to check for toxicity, the system returns the same answer whether there was 1 report or 9 reports.

Pandemic Punch2 votes

They are out of hand. Sorry you have so many people coming in this thread and blindly siding with Riot. Rather than looking at the log for what it is, they are just TRYING TO FIND a reason of ANY kind to put the blame on you. Unless a Rioter comes in here and proves you are lying about something or hiding something, I am with you.

What probably ended up happening is that you said the word, "report" too much and that triggered the automated system. Usually saying a trigger word more than two or three times will do it.

Elixors1 votes

Gragas Undressed: brand you're the worst player on the team. not only dying like crazy but talking trash. teemo is better than you. Gragas Undressed: nah, we ain't winning this Gragas Undressed: yall wasting our time Gragas Undressed: pls end Gragas Undressed: tired of this 4v5 Gragas Undressed: she's purposely throwing because yall won't ff Gragas Undressed: like i've said, we just wasting time Gragas Undressed: report trist, brand, and teemo Gragas Undressed: nah, inting ain't cool Gragas Undressed: even if i want the game over Gragas Undressed: still inting Gragas Undressed: you said it's your last game Gragas Undressed: who cares if you get banned? Gragas Undressed: y u care? Gragas Undressed: you quitting Gragas Undressed: and 9x report on inting will def get you banned

Gragas Undressed1 votes

I think you're trying to respond by saying this section you've highlighted is why I received a 25 game chat restriction. Are we not allowed to be upset while playing this game? We had a DC at 5 minutes in a ranked game and I didn't get angry. Brand started cursing at everyone while feeding and I didn't get angry. Trist started inting and I didn't get angry. I was disappointed if anything. Are we not allowed to express emotions other than jubilance?

Elixors1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gragas Undressed,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:06:52.661+0000)

I think you're trying to respond by saying this section you've highlighted is why I received a 25 game chat restriction. Are we not allowed to be upset while playing this game? We had a DC at 5 minutes in a ranked game and I didn't get angry. Brand started cursing at everyone while feeding and I didn't get angry. Trist started inting and I didn't get angry. I was disappointed if anything. Are we not allowed to express emotions other than jubilance?

No, because that will get you restrictions. It is pretty easy to not say anything and to have some self control. if you can't, you will continue to get restrictions.

Gloric1 votes

{quoted}

Gragas Undressed: nah, we ain't winning this Gragas Undressed: yall wasting our time Gragas Undressed: pls end Gragas Undressed: tired of this 4v5 Gragas Undressed: she's purposely throwing because yall won't ff Gragas Undressed: like i've said, we just wasting time Gragas Undressed: report trist, brand, and teemo Gragas Undressed: nah, inting ain't cool Gragas Undressed: even if i want the game over Gragas Undressed: still inting Gragas Undressed: you said it's your last game Gragas Undressed: who cares if you get banned? Gragas Undressed: y u care? Gragas Undressed: you quitting Gragas Undressed: and 9x report on inting will def get you banned

And if you think that's toxic, maybe you need counseling to help with your over sensitivity. Like wow. If this is the attitude that is effecting the punishment system's AI, then it's obvious what the problem is here, and it isn't people getting a little mad. If they want zero anger in chat, remove chat completely.

Elixors1 votes

{quoted}

And if you think that's toxic, maybe you need counseling to help with your over sensitivity. Like wow. If this is the attitude that is effecting the punishment system's AI, then it's obvious what the problem is here, and it isn't people getting a little mad. If they want zero anger in chat, remove chat completely.

I didn't say this offended me, or that I am overly sensitive. I was simply showing you what got you banned. I couldn't care less what people say in chat, because honestly, it is entertaining to me to watch someone get tilted over a video game. If you can't stop yourself from typing, take your enter key off your keyboard.

SyraKen1 votes

Gragas Undressed: report teemo dc pls Gragas Undressed: brand you're the worst player on the team. not only dying like crazy but talking trash. teemo is better than you.

If that other guy can get banned for calling someone a child, you can get chat restricted for this. Move on and talk nicer.

Gragas Undressed1 votes

Who got banned for calling someone a child? I'm lost. I was talking as nicely as I could to a guy who continued to call me a "f'ing b-tch" because I wanted to surrender.

SyraKen1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gragas Undressed,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:12:18.797+0000)

Who got banned for calling someone a child? I'm lost. I was talking as nicely as I could to a guy who continued to call me a "f'ing b-tch" because I wanted to surrender.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EjOPu8hF-i-believe-my-14-day-ban-was-erroneously-given

Gragas Undressed2 votes

Wow. That's absurd. Okay, so Riot literally doesn't want us to say anything unless it's "good job".

FatedDarkly1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gragas Undressed,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:16:49.321+0000)

Wow. That's absurd. Okay, so Riot literally doesn't want us to say anything unless it's "good job".

https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/EE7d58Pu-dear-riotsome-clarification-please?show=flat&comment=0000 Confirmed that can be punished for calling on someone elses report in chat.

Also yes, this is where we are, officially a PG-G game.

Gragas Undressed1 votes

Yeah, I'm seeing that the correct answer is just to mute everyone at the beginning of the game and don't communicate at all.

Gloric1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gragas Undressed,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:38:48.375+0000)

Yeah, I'm seeing that the correct answer is just to mute everyone at the beginning of the game and don't communicate at all.

Muting someone doesn't stop them inting and trolling, sadly.

Gloric1 votes

{quoted}

If that other guy can get banned for calling someone a child, you can get chat restricted for this. Move on and talk nicer.

Would rather abandon the shit game and it's rubbish developers if they are going to lay out these unbalanced punishments. But i'll give my 2 cents before I do.

Silent Gravity1 votes

You signed an agreement with Riot to behave in a certain manner while on their servers. The other people in your game, the DC, inter, and flamer also signed the same agreement with Riot.

Them breaking their agreement doesn't invalidate yours. They certainly did break the terms they signed to. When that happens, the response you're expected to have is to report them at the end of the game. No insults in chat, no flame, no blame.

So, if you imagine that everyone else was playing perfectly, and a player unloaded all the chat lines like you did, would you think that they were out of line?

Gragas Undressed1 votes

Would I report that person? Absolutely not. At worst I'd think it was mildly annoying. Unless someone is targeting me directly and saying things along the lines of "go f yourself and then die" I don't think anything of it.

The problem with your hypothetical is also that if everyone had been playing perfectly none of what I said would have happened as it was all in response. That's the problem I have with this system I guess. They expect you to just weather everyone else's storm and remain calm. Riot doesn't seem to care how you're effected by the other 4 players, only that you don't effect the other 4 players. Because in this situation, if we hadn't had a DC, and we hadn't had someone aggressively attacking people with foul language, and we hadn't had someone purposefully inting and laughing about it as they refuse to FF and end the game I wouldn't have made the responses I did.

Silent Gravity2 votes

That's not a problem with the hypothetical, it's the point.

Your agreement with Riot is not invalidated by anyone else's actions. So, anything that would be contrary to the agreement you signed, is contrary with the agreement you signed regardless of anyone else's actions.

[{quoted}](name=Gragas Undressed,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-05-04T19:57:44.050+0000)

That's the problem I have with this system I guess. They expect you to just weather everyone else's storm and remain calm. Riot doesn't seem to care how you're effected by the other 4 players, only that you don't effect the other 4 players.

You noticed that Riot punishes you when you negatively effect other players. That is a good place to start.

The two choices given that information are A) Riot specifically targets you or B) The system treats every account the same.

I choose B.

So, now that B has been chosen, you can extrapolate that anyone who negatively effects players, as much as, or more than you had in the past will eventually be punished.

Knowing that they will be punished now removes the desire to personally attack them in chat or via gameplay. They will be punished. You don't have to shoulder that burden.

To illustrate: Imagine driving along the highway. There's an accident ahead, so you slow down. Then, some rat-bastard tailgates you, passes you while flipping you off, and then stomps on his breaks right in front of you. It'd be understandable to be upset at them. Some people could react with rolling down their window and yelling at them, or tailgating them in return, or whatever. It's not a good reaction, but I've seen people do that.

Those people are trying to express their anger, and give a little bit of vengeance. That's like the people who belittle or harass people in response to perceived slights in game.

Now, same scenario, but there's a cop car right next to you. When the offending car pulls their shit, no one is going to overreact, because there's a cop right there.

The cop will issue the punishment to them. If you pull some revenge using any of the above methods, you'll also be punished.

When you get a license to drive, you're signing an agreement with the government to behave in a certain manner while on their roads. Other people's infractions don't invalidate your agreement.

So, in game, when people are being dicks to each other or to you, think about a cop car sitting right next to you. In this game, using the report button at the end game screen summons one instantly.

Battalion1 votes

Gragas Undressed: report trist, brand, and teemo

There's your problem right there. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

NoJustice1 votes

yeah that's horse shit

Xellex4201 votes

agree with OP 100%...and the people arguing with you about it are the ones that turn players toxic...i will never understand why people brown-nose riot so hard. The things you said are VERY VERY minor and should not be bannable in ANY way at all. This game is headed down a path that only goody 2 shoes 10 year old kids will be allowed to play it.

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