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Clash and Honor

OneLanos··3 votes·12,167 views

When the honor system first came out I like everyone else was placed at honor 2 and I wasn't toxic nor was I leaving games, note I never promoted from honor 2 for reasons I do not know why and it was very frustrating because all the people I knew were leveling up in honor. So some time went by and I stopped caring about watching what I was saying or what it felt to other people of what I was saying. One day I got a chat restriction I was pretty bummed about it but knew that I shouldn't have said what I said, so I was dropped to honor 0 and ever since I haven't talked in chat and if I did it was to say good job or something informational (like top no flash). I never leveled up after and still remain at level 0 and I think I will never level up in order to actually play clash which to me seems really cool. I sometimes feel like the honor system leveling up just doesn't work for me, but it could just be my imagination. I do have one question do the honor levels get reset each season?

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RiotRiot Tantram8 votes

I do have one question do the honor levels get reset each season?

https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/client-new-features-feedback/HIZAeknK-honor-season-2018-on-pbe

TLDR;

Honor levels lowered due to penalty will not be reset to a higher value.

OneLanos1 votes

Thank you for answering the question. Sorry to bother with another but for someone that was honor 2 but dropped down to honor 0 would it take longer for them to get to 1 then someone that got to 3? Recently I've tried not to say much in chat but when I do I try to make it good. I know there probably is a few games were I said something

RiotRiot Tantram4 votes

would it take longer for them to get to 1 then someone that got to 3

This is a little difficult to answer, and the clarity around it feels bad from a player perspective. It's something we are looking to make better.

It's going to depend on your penalty. But it may help to think of Honor 0 and 1 as special cases, and the level from 3-5 is a consistent experience. Exhibiting genuine sportsmanship will see you through the system faster.

Has No Team4 votes

I'm going to go ahead and have to say that the system as it is makes negative minded players lose hope even more so which does illicit more negative behavior from them. This problem should probably be something that's worked on quicker than other things to improve the morale of the community and hopefully give reformed players a reason to stay reformed rather than give up.

RiotRiot Tantram4 votes

There is a lot of reason for people to improve. All players, even players in level 0 and 1, will now have checkpoints. This will create a lot more clarity about the leveling process.

Certainly open to suggestions.

Chermorg7 votes

I'm not sure how much good it would do, but maybe giving players a advance reform card if they're in lower levels of Honor - if they get a valid report that is going to slow their increase, maybe let them know? I get that this may give a little too much info out than you'd like, though, so I understand if it isn't implemented.

Alternatively, maybe keep a tally on their profile of how many games have slowed their honor progress? With/without info, but just a tally maybe?

Personally I think the biggest clarity issue is that players don't know when their honor progress is being slowed at any level, but especially those that have been punished don't generally understand that if their behavior doesn't improve they won't progress, even if they aren't getting punished more.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

This is a little bit off-topic, but have you ever considered implementing a reward system specific to those that have had their honor taken due to chat penalties or bans? For example: an unlockable emote for any player who has risen from dishonorable status to honor level 3 or higher. Something to signify their efforts in reforming their behavior. I feel like rewarding players is a much better way to motivate them to behave better than threatening escalating punishments and eventual permabans. (Just my 2 cents on this somewhat related topic.)

Has No Team2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=n0ZiAy61,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-13T01:16:43.985+0000)

Certainly open to suggestions.

Okay then please make some sort of immediately Visible progress bar so people can set goals for themselves. Also areas of improvement would be nice.

These areas of improvement could be but are not limited to: Chat Less Ping Less Surrender Vote Less Clean up you language Try working with your adc/support Encourage your team members Spend less time in all chat

It could be any of the tendencies that get people in trouble just hopefully the ones specifically for the player having the issue with their behavior. Also maybe put these in an honor tab where your best honors from a game can be saved so you can see the match they occured in and possibly a running tally like the old system of how many honors of what type you have gotten.

Has No Team1 votes

A mock up of the idea I stated would be (Albeit poorly)

I didnt have any decent progress bar stock images but I am sure the art team could make some kickass look on the fly.

https://i.imgur.com/aer3C2w.jpg

ClonieMor1 votes

What if there were a "lifebar" of Honor that would be filled after every game? I just don't know when or where it'd be place, but would be nice for tracking. PS: Maybe the lifebar could seem like a tree, almost literally.

scazzman3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=n0ZiAy61,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-13T01:16:43.985+0000)

There is a lot of reason for people to improve. All players, even players in level 0 and 1, will now have checkpoints. This will create a lot more clarity about the leveling process.

Certainly open to suggestions.

another suggestion. make it so chat bans only drop honor 1 rank. not automatically to 1 or zero. going from honor 5 all the way to honor 1 from 1 punishment seems like overkill. also. "honor locking" shouldnt exist. i feel like demoralizing punished players is likely to make it harder for them to reform

Kei1431 votes

Question of clarity on Honors.

If they moved from Honors0 to Honors1 (from a 14-day ban), does that mean they have dropped a punishment tier (i.e their next punishment will be a 14-day ban again, instead of a permaban).

Yes / No answer will be suffice, if things change in the future, we as the community can adjust the information we give out.

Hellmaximus11 votes

Will cursing slow progression ie "Fuck me" "man that XChampion fucked my lane up early game"?

Barley1 votes

@Riot Tantrum, i got stuck at honor 0 about 4 months ago, and it STILL hasnt been reset to honor 2! Will my honor ever get reset, as Id say that I am an honorable player

Baka Red1 votes

I am not Riot Tantram, or even Riot personnel, but there is an answer to that from Tantram in this thread, posted about hour before your question. It is: "TLDR; Honor levels lowered due to penalty will not be reset to a higher value."

Barley1 votes

I was really just askingn when I will get honor back. I did read that part of the post, I guess I just didnt phrase my words right

Arammus3 votes

really? i think you SHOULD reset all honor levels back to 2. just my thoughts

The Devil2 votes

I'm in the same boat. I'm really disappointed I can't play with my friends in Clash because I got a chat restriction a few months ago..

REFORMED YURI2 votes

I'm toxic, 100% of games, even when i make mistakes, but i want to win, every single mfn' game, even aram games. Basically ur sayin' that i cant join in the Clash system, playin' with MY FRIENDS (not random people, MY FRIENDS) cuz of some bunch of boosted bonobos? This is number one bs.

MY MID WILL INT2 votes

Fix matchmaking please. Why even have a punish-system? It feels like most of the players are toxic anyway. Especially in the platinum-region. The punish-system is a joke btw.

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