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It's time for RITO to get the reality check they deserve.

Acropolis93··3 votes·2,163 views

Your community sucks in multiple ways. The game itself is great. But the community and your regulation of it is shit.

For example, you crack down on the active aggressive trolls now. Which I deeply appreciate! But what about that person that doesn't get their lane in champ select. Then says they're going to feed, and throws the game. What about the person that literally makes shit up, just to make you mad.

I honestly think you don't even record pre-game through after game chat. Also people simply lie. Like I just played a game with a Leona. That says I'm never with her during engages.

I was literally, literally right next to her shooting. You have tackled the active aggressive trolls, I'll give you that. But not the passive aggressive ones.

That combined with champions and items beings disabled. Do to you guys messing up. Plus rage quitters, people who dc because of internet dropping. All that crap adds up. It's to much bullshit for one person to handle. The psychological momentum builds up. Yeah I know there's a mute button. But you mute them after they say something nasty. Get me?

You have more than enough money to solve this. I'm not buying your bullshit anymore.

I'm going to find a way to contact your investors. Then I'm going to embarrass them for backing you up as a company. This is all out now. I'm fucking tired of your shit. Legally speaking, you're going to suffer the consequences, of your lack of action.

I will post on reddit, 9gag, idgaf. I will contact news agencies, whatever I got to do ya dig? I'm really going to devote my time to this. You're going to take a blow for making me deal with this worthless, low life bullshit! I am not fucking with you. No this Isn't a threat. What I'm talking about is going to be completely legal. But I am fucking done with you.

This Isn't rocket science, this also Isn't hard to solve. I am as pissed off as I am. Because I know for a fact, all bullshit set aside. That you could remedy this situation in a heart beat. You have to much money to not be able to un-fuck this fuck fest. I know for a fact I'm not the only one that feels this way.

I don't want any of that. "It's way better than it used to be". I know it is comparatively better now than it used to be. But a fart in the wind blowing in the opposite direction of LoL's players would be better than it "used to be". I demand demonstrable results, and I fucking demand them now! Not "2" seasons from now. Not five months from now. I demand it NOW!

No excuses, hands down. Get the job done, be thorough, cover all angles. Not just one aspect of your toxic community.

I play a lot of games, and know a lot of people who play games. If anyone pulled even a fraction of any of this rubbish on those games. It would be solved at that exact moment, and be done away with. End of story!

73 Comments

DREADN0UGHT9 votes

Behold the almighty keyboard warrior! He who will singlehandedly take a multimilion dollar corporation down with internet posts and wild arm flayling in boards! BEHOLD!!

Acropolis931 votes

You're on a keyboard as well, yes?

IcyPepper1 votes

Dude, you replied to him twice... with a 28 day split.

That's kind of weird...

AJStarhiker6 votes

So...because someone disagrees with you, they are automatically a troll? Now I get why you think every game has a troll and Riot does nothing. You're simply projecting your own attitude on everyone else.

Acropolis931 votes

I called 1, maybe 2 people a troll. You're over exaggerating what I said like the other guy. Congratz, you're number 3! STFU TROLL!

AJStarhiker1 votes

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I called 1, maybe 2 people a troll. You're over exaggerating what I said like the other guy. Congratz, you're number 3! STFU TROLL!

Just calling it like I see it... and there's nothing in your posts I haven't seen hundreds of times before.

Acropolis931 votes

So hundreds of other people agree with what I've said. Thanks for letting me know, doesn't surprise me.

AJStarhiker1 votes

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So hundreds of other people agree with what I've said. Thanks for letting me know, doesn't surprise me.

Take it how you want, but pretty much all of them had their own bans for trolling.

You'd be surprised just how much your own attitude has on how many trolls you run into. If you're expecting to run into trolls and feeders every game, you're going to see exactly what you expect. You won't see mistakes or a lesser-skilled player for what they are.

Acropolis931 votes

A troll to me. IS someone who says "gg" after first blood. It's someone who calls people names. It's also that person that after every mistake they say something. OMFG WHY? <-- for example.

I get that sometimes people have to let it out. But It's been pretty up there for me.

You don't know me, also you can't experience what I do. Yet you're trying to tell me what I perceive, what my attitude is or what I'm experienced.

So fuck you, have a nice day. Latta.

AJStarhiker1 votes

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A troll to me. IS someone who says "gg" after first blood. It's someone who calls people names. It's also that person that after every mistake they say something. OMFG WHY? <-- for example.

I get that sometimes people have to let it out. But It's been pretty up there for me.

You don't know me, also you can't experience what I do. Yet you're trying to tell me what I perceive, what my attitude is or what I'm experienced.

So fuck you, have a nice day. Latta.

No, I don't know your or your experience, but what I said is basic psychology. I dislike spring. Granted, it's only based on the springs for a couple years and the exact circumstances are unlikely to affect me like those two times, but I still loathe the transition when the snow is melting.

I expect springs to be bad, so it's easy to miss the parts that aren't bad, or to see neutral events in a negative light.

All I have to go on is your posts here. What I see in them is someone who is agressive, argumentative, and who refuses to consider other opinions. Posting to the boards is low-pressure. You have more than a handful of seconds to type out a line or two and you have time to think about what you are posting in a low-pressure situation.

If you are aggressive and prone to throwing out insults in this kind of environment, what are you saying when you are under pressure? Think about it.

As far as the name-and-shame rule goes, it's not to protect trolls. It's to protect everyone else from trolls starting witch hunts.

Acropolis931 votes

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AJStarhiker2 votes

Rammus ok

Acropolis931 votes

np

Acropolis931 votes

Truthfully, on the internet. There are no body gestures, no tone of voice etc... So, what you said. I mean... Not trying to be a jerk... It's just as applicable to him as it is you. What do you think sir/ma'am?

Sona Ping4 votes

Please Acropolis, do continue. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Acropolis931 votes

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Sona Ping2 votes

No really, I meant it. I enjoyed reading the post.

Acropolis931 votes
  1. You're by far, my favorite reponser. So... If league players. Had lessons in how to deal with "CERTAIN" "BEHAVIORS".. Fact is, those behaviors would cease to exist to such an extant that. Ya know? Braum
Ada Wong3 votes

So honestly what is your plan for improving toxicity, I would like to hear it, Like I don't agree with all of Riots decisions and the way they go about things because there is one thing I personally don't think I could ever teach any Rioter to understand as far as player behavior goes, and that is "Revenge", and that is easy when Riot allows players to keep creating accounts in short terms, I could write an entire essay on "Revenge" "Politics" and Real Life of why some of the bad things happen that do.

But anyways TL:DR what would be your plans to actually make the game better they are already working on fixing the Tribunal for next season, they are adding Role Selection to make the game better something I told them to do for 3 years myself and they finally doing it.

EvilDustMan3 votes

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You have more than enough money to solve this. I'm not buying your bullshit anymore.

I'm going to find a way to contact your investors. Then I'm going to embarrass them for backing you up as a company. This is all out now. I'm fucking tired of your shit. Legally speaking, you're going to suffer the consequences, of your lack of action.

I will post on reddit, 9gag, idgaf. I will contact news agencies, whatever I got to do ya dig? I'm really going to devote my time to this. You're going to take a blow for making me deal with this worthless, low life bullshit! I am not fucking with you. No this Isn't a threat. What I'm talking about is going to be completely legal. But I am fucking done with you.

This is hilarious.

I play a lot of games, and know a lot of people who play games. If anyone pulled even a fraction of any of this rubbish on those games. It would be solved at that exact moment, and be done away with. End of story!

No, no, they'd get away with it a lot more. League is the only game that cracks down on this a lot.

Drive By Max3 votes

I don't think you understand what a troll is. Honestly, I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet.

Acropolis931 votes

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Acropolis931 votes

I haven't been banned because. Yes, I am aggressive, yes I do call people names sometimes. Yes, I am toxic occasionally. But... Ready for the surprise?

It was me who originally complained about toxic players in League. Then left LoL for at least 8-10 months. Then I came back, after that initial complaint. Which literally worded, word for word what I said. To see if the community had indeed, improved!

Fact is it did. Now I'm devoted. I'd rather die, physically. Thank lose... I don't mean to be emo. But I respect that they originally pay ed' attention to what I said. They unintentionally or intentionally bought my loyalty. <.>

Drive By Max2 votes

They already know they have a toxic community, like every moba out there. They do a lot more to try and fix that than any other moba. They do not need a reality check, they know about problems. And most of the problems that you listed, aren't that common.

And the results have gotten immeasurably better. Way back when I first started playing, season 2 and season 3, holy shit, It was rare to have a game in which people didn't flame. Nowadays, I'm noticing that it's a LOT less often. Maybe 1 out of 10 games.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

Its not that they only focus on 1 or some aspects of trolling. It is that resources aren't infinite and you have to do them 1 at a time.

Realistically trolling will probably always be an issue. It is a very deliberate action and with a little thought you can always find ways to annoy people without breaking any rules. So you not only have to identify trolling behavior(like intentional feeding). But you have to determine when different things are appropriate. Like killing jungle camps, totally fine if you are the jungler, or hes off doing something else. But Its entirely possible to use killing jungle camps to troll your jungler. Similar situations when punishing lanes. Lots of times when that's not only acceptable but helpful, but at the wrong time is both detrimental to the teams chances of winning and infuriating for the laner. Things like that also have the added complication of requiring you to judge someones intentions. Many of these things can simply be a case of someone being wrong about when they should do certain things.

Acropolis931 votes

"Riot Games earned $624 million from League of Legends last year, and that was only good enough for second place on the top-ten free-to-play earnings list. In 2014, however, it's shot to number one, and is poised to be the first to break $1 billion in microtransaction revenues.Oct 23, 2014" https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RVEB_enUS627US628#q=how+much+did+league+of+legends+make+in+2014

"Its not that they only focus on 1 or some aspects of trolling. It is that resources aren't infinite and you have to do them 1 at a time."

Straight bullshit, ya their resources aren't limited. But they aren't putting enough resources into it. Want to argue about it still?

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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"Riot Games earned $624 million from League of Legends last year, and that was only good enough for second place on the top-ten free-to-play earnings list. In 2014, however, it's shot to number one, and is poised to be the first to break $1 billion in microtransaction revenues.Oct 23, 2014" https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RVEB_enUS627US628#q=how+much+did+league+of+legends+make+in+2014

"Its not that they only focus on 1 or some aspects of trolling. It is that resources aren't infinite and you have to do them 1 at a time."

Straight bullshit, ya their resources aren't limited. But they aren't putting enough resources into it. Want to argue about it still?

Those numbers are most likely revenue which speaks nothing to how much money they actually have. But more importantly this issue is never going to be 100% of their budget.

You can certainly make the argument that they aren't putting enough resources into it. riot already does WAY more than any other game in this regard and they have a massive player base to make it work for. Personally I've seen only a handful of trolls in my 5000+ games so I would consider anything more they do wasted.

Due to the nature of the game that basically requires forcing people to stay through a game no matter what is going to leave it open to trolling. There are always going to be subtle ways to troll people without technically breaking any rules.

Acropolis931 votes

Your basically an enabler is what you're telling me. You also over exaggerated what I meant. Who in their right mind would think that the issue I stated should get 100% of their budget?

"You can certainly make the argument that they aren't putting enough resources into it. riot already does WAY more than any other game in this regard and they have a massive player base to make it work for."

No they don't, as a matter o' fact. That just now started doing jack shit about it. You know, after they lost 10% of their players.

"Due to the nature of the game that basically requires forcing people to stay through a game no matter what is going to leave it open to trolling. There are always going to be subtle ways to troll people without technically breaking any rules."

I never said it would be completely done away with. Subtle trolls would be eliminated. Simply by employing active moderators to monitors games. Also by recording the entire game into some data base.

Starting to think you're one of those trolls I'm talking about. Fuck your tolerance, and your enablism. Stick it right up your ass.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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Your basically an enabler is what you're telling me. You also over exaggerated what I meant. Who in their right mind would think that the issue I stated should get 100% of their budget?

"You can certainly make the argument that they aren't putting enough resources into it. riot already does WAY more than any other game in this regard and they have a massive player base to make it work for."

No they don't, as a matter o' fact. That just now started doing jack shit about it. You know, after they lost 10% of their players.

"Due to the nature of the game that basically requires forcing people to stay through a game no matter what is going to leave it open to trolling. There are always going to be subtle ways to troll people without technically breaking any rules."

I never said it would be completely done away with. Subtle trolls would be eliminated. Simply by employing active moderators to monitors games. Also by recording the entire game into some data base.

Starting to think you're one of those trolls I'm talking about. Fuck your tolerance, and your enablism. Stick it right up your ass.

I'm just practical. I have no idea what the global rate of trolling is, but I have played since season 1 and have seen probably less than 1 troll per 1000 games. I have no little doubt that my experience has been better than a lot of people but most of the people I know say similar things That does not seem like a worthy use of much resources. Most of what I see get called trolling is people disagreeing on what is best.

The point I was trying to make saying that there will be ways, is that these people are very deliberately trying to ruin peoples games. They will find those other ways and continue on. So if you aren't stopping everything you aren't stopping much at all.

I just think there are many better places they can put resources.

Acropolis931 votes

Not practical, you're an enabler and a troll. You're full of stupid bullshit.

SmokedAlmonds4 votes

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Not practical, you're an enabler and a troll. You're full of stupid bullshit.

If you are just going to call everyone who disagrees with you a troll im just gonna agree to disagree and move on.

Have a good one.

EndGamer112 votes

Your argument's main points in a nutshell:

"Since Riot has lots of money, they can make toxicity go away like (*snap) THAT. Solving the bad attitudes of players is as simple of moving money from one place to another. Since I know little to nothing about how the systems in place work, I cannot form an opinion on how to run a system that will completely eradicate bad behavior, therefore I shall stick to my previous statement. Money plus Toxicity equals No Toxicity! Genius, if I do say so myself."

Lemme put it straight here fella: No amount of money can by itself get rid of toxicity. After all how would it accomplish anything? I'll toss in a few ideas:

1.) Riot hires 100,000 near minimum wage ($8/hr) employees to monitor servers 24/7. These "mods" will use a new spectator client with estimated dev time between 1-3 weeks to intensely monitor all actions taken by a player. Let's assume only a fraction of all players play at one time: 7.5 million. This means that, by spending 2 BILLION DOLLARS YEARLY ON WAGES FOR THESE MODS, Riot can monitor a mere 1/75 of all games happening at any given time. SO we see that this strategy, the one you seem to advocate, is entirely bunk.

2.) Reward positive play with various gifts. What do you give out? Icons? only a few people care enough about them to fully reform. Skins? what if a troll already owns all of the skins? This would also lead to a hefty loss of income for Riot, so also kinda unfavorable. LE skins only for good players? Takes dev time from actual content. While Riot does do this idea a little bit, a large plan is unfeasible.

Please feel free to come up with your own ideas that have more depth than "Throw money at it, eventually the large amount of bills will smother the flames."

For some more specific counterpoints to other arguments:

"But what about that person that doesn't get their lane in champ select. Then says they're going to feed, and throws the game. What about the person that literally makes shit up, just to make you mad. " --Wait until after the game ends, report for troll/feed/failure to communicate. If they do it for more than once in a blue moon, they will be banned.

"That combined with champions and items beings disabled. Do to you guys messing up. Plus rage quitters, people who dc because of internet dropping." --Champs and items being disabled: Sometimes bugs happen. You try coding a game this complex. It's like walking through a china shop: pick something up wrong, might bump over another piece. inb4 "throw $$$ at better coder$". Sorry, the most experienced ones with the code of LoL are the employees currently at Riot. Also, wait for the new client, coming soon TM --Rage quitters gonna quit bro. Riot cannot stop them. My suggestion? use the handy dandy report feature! Available at an end-game screen near you! Also automatic detection. Ya. --Internet drops are 99.999999% always on the player's end. Check your connection before the game if you live in a spotty area, and if you keep getting booted, don't queue. Simple.

"You have more than enough money to solve this. I'm not buying your bullshit anymore. " "This Isn't rocket science, this also Isn't hard to solve."

Then solve it. If it is so easy, YOU should be able to eliminate all toxicity. Present your enlightened ideas to the world! Create world peace! It's SO SIMPLE. Sadly, it isn't. If things were as simple as you think they are, we would have no carbon footprint, spaceships would be on Pluto building a colony, and half of the oranges in stores wouldn't be grainy. Too bad the world is a complex place.

Cya.

Acropolis931 votes

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Twiggles2 votes

I see no bullshit here. EndGamer11's post is easily the most sensible and comprehensive thing that's been posted in this entire thread. He gave you legitimate reasons and numbers supporting his points, while you have done no such thing for your own. Apparently everyone who disagrees with you is just wrong on principle, even when they're right.

Did you actually post here looking for a discussion, or are you just content to make a scene? Because your posts thus far have tended towards the latter.

Acropolis931 votes

Imma win, just give me time.

kaleb bartlett1 votes

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Imma win, just give me time.

Right... sure... I won't hold my breath. /saged

EndGamer114 votes

Thanks, it was fun calculating the cost of 100,000 mods. I thought it might be several million, not as high as billions!

I personally think OP has an idea of what he wants to say, but lacks the correct info or disposition to put in words. A better premise would be to state several ways Riot could improve their systems. If I gave it some more thought, I might be able to come up with a few more ideas, but after seeing OP's response, it is clear he does not appreciate civil discussion :^)

EndGamer113 votes

No counterpoints? Only ad hominem attacks? Ooh for shame.

I invite you to even go so far as providing a legitimate counterclaim to any of the reasoning shown above. Until you give an actual response, YOU are the one without any valid claims.

Acropolis931 votes

K 1 sec.

  1. I'm not talking perfection, you are. I'm talking about at least doing something. Psychologically speaking, it has an effect on people. There needs to be more deterrents.
EndGamer112 votes

I'm not talking about perfection either, just putting into perspective how ineffective two strategies for reducing toxicity are. Riot is currently doing amazing work with their feeder/troll detection, script bans, automated systems, and overall toxicity reduction. Perfection is near impossible with these kinds of actions, but Riot does the best job they can. If you have any ideas to help them progress, by all means post them. People on the bench don't score.

Acropolis931 votes

I would flaunt my doctorates degree in biology, chemistry, and philosophy. But, fact is, I could also create a fake site. Justifying all said claims. The thing is, having people monitor the games, actively, game by game. Does create a psychological effect. Don't believe me? Maybe? Look at the statistics before RITO started banning toxic players. The results, facts, are there!

I'm not your mother, I know who you are. Stop being an enabler ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSRSRRREEE HOOOOLEE!!!!

Acropolis931 votes

This game is so fucked. So many trolls dear lord. Still going to embarrass their investors. It won't be hard gathering evidence to prove it either. I'll just have to ask them to download the fucking game and play it.

ShaftyMegee1 votes

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This game is so fucked. So many trolls dear lord. Still going to embarrass their investors. It won't be hard gathering evidence to prove it either. I'll just have to ask them to download the fucking game and play it.

Why don't you stop playing then? This seems to be making you very angry.

Acropolis931 votes

You know what, I've decided you guys are right. Seeing that RITO won't acknowledge the existence of Passive Aggressive trolls. I've decided that if I can beat them, I'll just join them. Then I'll spread that information around on every troll site/group in existence. So I'll just go PA every single game. But make sure I'm within the guidelines so I don't get banned. Touche`

fatherdarius1 votes

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You know what, I've decided you guys are right. Seeing that RITO won't acknowledge the existence of Passive Aggressive trolls. I've decided that if I can beat them, I'll just join them. Then I'll spread that information around on every troll site/group in existence. So I'll just go PA every single game. But make sure I'm within the guidelines so I don't get banned. Touche`

If you can pull it off, that's a true skill and art. Saying and doing the nastiest things in the nicest and most innocuous of ways? Some call it passive aggressive. Others call it diplomacy. It's like your boss walking up to you, smiling, putting his arm around your shoulders, and saying, "Good Morning Bob! I just wanted to let you know that we're sending you a PERMANENT vacation!"

Acropolis931 votes

I don't think It's that hard. I know all kinds of people that do it. That was the thesis of this post. Also from what I've experienced about rito.

As long as the manager does tell bob he's a low life or another piece of blah blah blah. He should be just dandy.

ShaftyMegee1 votes

You realize that throwing money at shit doesnt.... fix it...? 100's of millions of people play this game, what makes you think it will be easy to fix?

Oh and riots investors? Only care about riots money... which they make lots of. Sooo have fun with your little crusade, it will only be a waste of your mental energy.

Acropolis931 votes

I'll admit. I'm emotional, in the aggressive, combative sense. But sometimes, evil needs a boot in the arse! What if what I'm saying! My general message, is beyond my lack of communication skills. Which I undoubtedly lack, but about causing greater effects! beyond my own ego! and those that oppose me! I wouldn't of worded it that way He made insults Wow... He focused on this or that . So Psychologically speaking! Seeing that we're all psychological animals. What if I am right ?

Can anyone think into that? I am a dickkkkkkkkkkkkee, but it does matter in some ways. Imagine if the people farming your food, keeling your enemies, making your clothes or houses weren't dixxxxxx.... We all have our places right?

Sad tosay, you did ennnnttt'' pass the test. But life is all about progresss. So I'm not haiting!!!!

Acropolis931 votes

Alright, the guy that spoke of statistics. Saying something or another about. Putting a active mod in a game. Would be futile right? Point is, it won't happen every game. In most games, tribunal will deal with it. But in those few games. Where a smurf(person who is higher ELO that is bored has made an account. Because they don't want to wait to play the game. Because less people are in "THAT" elo. They just might troll, because, WHAT THEY GOT TO LOSE? RIGHT!?!?!!?

So... Fact is.. These people have mostly a negative attitude. In accordance to "MY" experience. Fair?

Anyways, point in putting ACTIVE MODERATORS IN GAMES!!!

It's mostly, psychological... get it? I hope you do.

Because I'm not your mommas teeeeiet. (*)

EvilDustMan1 votes

How's destroying Riot going?

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