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Banned for explaining a situation

FizzOnMyJayce bb··1 votes·964 views

Below is a script of my previous game where I was banned because I was explaining why its not a good idea to ban people for what they say. Keep in mind, I was being called a %%% and cursed at the entire time. This banning system needs to go. For someone who puts money into this game, I should be able to say what I want when I want to. Also I don't see the purpose of having the option of 'turn off chat filter' if you're just gonna ban people who curse anyway. If people don't like it, THEN MUTE ME!! THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR.

PROCEED WITH CAUTION LEAGUE SNOWFLAKES: WORDS MAY HURT YOUR FEELINGS Game 1 FizzOnMyJaycebb: :p FizzOnMyJaycebb: i have elementalist too FizzOnMyJaycebb: i hate riot sometimes tho FizzOnMyJaycebb: they release this skin and cant even give her new voice lines? FizzOnMyJaycebb: it has so many chromas FizzOnMyJaycebb: hmm FizzOnMyJaycebb: ty FizzOnMyJaycebb: that was a nice q you got me with FizzOnMyJaycebb: def thought i was sadfe FizzOnMyJaycebb: safe* FizzOnMyJaycebb: -every nid main FizzOnMyJaycebb: insec mechanics FizzOnMyJaycebb: holy shit FizzOnMyJaycebb: ew FizzOnMyJaycebb: just when i thought it was safe to go back to adc'ing FizzOnMyJaycebb: riot trolls me with the rengo un-rework FizzOnMyJaycebb: okay def report this yi now FizzOnMyJaycebb: stealing champs and now homophobic slurs FizzOnMyJaycebb: have fun getting your account banned FizzOnMyJaycebb: YOU FORCED HER TO SUPPORT YOU TWIT FizzOnMyJaycebb: dude FizzOnMyJaycebb: wtf FizzOnMyJaycebb: you got caught out FizzOnMyJaycebb: you died on your own dumbassery FizzOnMyJaycebb: mhmm FizzOnMyJaycebb: i mean FizzOnMyJaycebb: i am in a way too FizzOnMyJaycebb: idc about them doing what they do. just stop trying to make everyone else play your silly games FizzOnMyJaycebb: this is so frustrating FizzOnMyJaycebb: my bot lane FizzOnMyJaycebb: my matchup FizzOnMyJaycebb: this yi can you also report FizzOnMyJaycebb: he keeps calling us all types of %%%s and cursing at us FizzOnMyJaycebb: im not sensitive. i just get reported and banned for the same stuff so i like to see it happen to others FizzOnMyJaycebb: me too FizzOnMyJaycebb: i think its dumb FizzOnMyJaycebb: well you cant help that those ppl are gonna be out there FizzOnMyJaycebb: no FizzOnMyJaycebb: words should not be an excuse to ban someone FizzOnMyJaycebb: especially someone who has put money into the system FizzOnMyJaycebb: you think words are violence? go to the middle east. FizzOnMyJaycebb: go anywhere that isnt a first world country FizzOnMyJaycebb: then see how much your little words hurt FizzOnMyJaycebb: my main point FizzOnMyJaycebb: banning for words is dumb FizzOnMyJaycebb: because. i bring up other countries because there are real things to be offended about. real things that w take for granted as FizzOnMyJaycebb: not if i say fuck or %%% in a video game FizzOnMyJaycebb: r FizzOnMyJaycebb: ^ FizzOnMyJaycebb: why say no FizzOnMyJaycebb: we're done here FizzOnMyJaycebb: ... FizzOnMyJaycebb: its just a point i was making FizzOnMyJaycebb: i already told you why FizzOnMyJaycebb: im saying FizzOnMyJaycebb: i already expressed it FizzOnMyJaycebb: i cant help you get it FizzOnMyJaycebb: if you didnt pay attention FizzOnMyJaycebb: so is banning for words FizzOnMyJaycebb: other countries have real problems. we make up our own here in the states by saying that words are offensive FizzOnMyJaycebb: bottom line

46 Comments

Jo0o9 votes

Why the hell would you try to establish societal commentary on an inflammatory subject in the middle of a fucking League match? And then, despite acknowledging that you know that hate speech is bannable in League, you repeated it? Twice?

Use of hate speech aside, I wouldn't want somebody like you using a League match to try to share your world views. I just want to focus on the game, not engage in complex political debate and try to achieve a deepened understanding of why some words hold power, or whether they SHOULD hold that power. Just play the fucking game.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

because I'm not allowed to say what the Yi said to me in my argument? Words aren't magical, they dont physically harm. I'm just saying what he said in my argument. I didn't call anyone those words.

Jo0o3 votes

Yet you were clearly aware that the words were against the rules, whether or not you agree with the rules, yet continued to use them.

It looks like your 14-day ban was just in December, so you had to know that you were on thin ice. Getting on your soapbox to derail your game by discussing politics and societal phenomenons in the middle of a League match (and also insulting your teammates) is already a mis-use of chat and worthy of a chat restriction, which after a 14-day ban could easily mean a permanent ban, but you went ahead and added icing on the cake by continuing to use slurs.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

That doesn't make sense. So I get banned for using these words in an argument, but he gets off Scott free even though he is the party that called me those names??

Jo0o4 votes

Assuming your version of events is accurate, he's guilty of using hate speech and should receive at least a 14-day ban. You aren't guaranteed to get any notifications confirming that any punishment was given, however.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

I didn't even report the kid. I feel we should rise up as players and get riot to remove the 'ban-for-words' system. Its silly to eliminate paying customers just because another party can't find the mute button. Even though there is an option to enable/disable language filter. Why disable it if i cant use it?

Chermorg4 votes

Your opposition to the system does not mean you are not subject to it.

Jo0o6 votes

I don't believe traffic lights should exist. Not a hypothetical; this is really my opinion. Every time a bad storm hits my area and traffic lights are knocked offline, my commute becomes easier. In the absence of traffic lights, drivers are cautious and mindful, and traffic seems to be much more efficient, in my experience. But I'm not going to run red lights out of protest, because that accomplishes nothing and would only allow legal action to be taken against me.

The Yi won't get banned if nobody reported him. That's hardly the system "defending" him.

It is not the place for League players to "rise up" and eliminate the system. It's the place of society to reach a point where hate based on skin, nationality, sexual orientation, or any number of other details doesn't exist, or is so rare that the words that hateful folk rally under lose their power. League will not be the front line of that battle.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

Your analogy doesn't draw a linear thought in arguing against my statement. In your opinion, traffic lights should not exist because you don't feel a need for them. However, without traffic lights I can almost guarantee there will be more accidents, clogged up streets and taxpayer money going towards cleanup. Real world costs. Real world, possibly even life altering consequences.

In my agrument im simply saying that Riot should not have a system in place that bans people for USING WORDS. No matter how 'offensive' they may be. You are actually giving those offensive words more power by making them words that require swift and 'just' action. I would never get offended by anyone calling me anything. But if someone were to engage in aggressive behavior that hurts me or my finances then we would have a problem.

Do you get where I'm coming from?

Jo0o4 votes

Not really. The stakes are lower, but the potential for downside is still there.

Hate speech is considered so bad because the words DO carry weight, whether or not you personally believe they should. I don't know who you are or what your background is, but just because homophobic or racial slurs don't bother you doesn't mean you get to decide whether they bother somebody else. If some gay 15-year-old gets bullied by the upper classmen calling him the word you used decides to relax with some video games, he should have a reasonable expectation to not be confronted with the same level of hate in League.

Hatred born of prejudice is dehumanizing and disturbing for its target. Some people can shake it off with ease, but for others, it's more than just "offensive". Empathize with those people. For them, it's a fucked up thing to say to somebody, in any context.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

I agree with this almost 100%. No he shouldn't have to hear those words. But if he does, he has to realize that there is no cure-all for this type of behavior. The world is going to be like this regardless. Take it with a grain of salt and move forward. You can't let words control your life. I was bullied in high school myself. But I didn't let anyone control my actions. I understand what Riot is attempting to do here, but suspension and perma-bans are a bit of an over-react for someone who can easily silence unpleasant behavior from another.

If that unpleasant person continues his rampage, he will eventually have nobody to talk to because he continues to anger or offend those around him.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

In the real world if someone walked down the street or into a bar and called people those words, they'd get beat down. Doing it in a game, people cannot react or do anything to them about it. In which case I think it is perfectly fair for Riot to step in and do something about it.

If there are no consequences for being shitty and hurtful then people will just become more shitty and hurtful, because they are selfish and simple-minded and it is easy for them to dehumanize people from behind the safety of their keyboard and computer screen.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

I agree. However in this case I was not being shitty. I was merely saying "forbidden words" that were quoting someone else's attacks. The worst thing I called him was a twit.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I was not referring to you saying those words, I was referring to people saying them towards other people. Additionally Riot does not make a distinction between them and you because you still added to the problem.

Umbral Regent1 votes

The existence of a mute feature and a mature language filter do not exempt players from the rules. Even if there's a feature designed to dampen the impact of cursing and hateful slurs, the rules still exist, and players must still abide by them.

And, more than that, the mute feature is really only a defensive tool after the problematic chat occurs, not before hand. It's not an effective tool against toxic chat, and can't be used as an excuse for poor behavior.

If you don't report players for breaking the rules, you don't get to complain for them "getting off Scott free" despite you getting punished for breaking the exact same rules. It's asinine to think "well, even if I didn't report, they should magically get punished by me being reported!"

It doesn't work that way. The only way a player can get punished is if they broke the rules and were reported for it. They are not reviewed when anyone else gets reported, and, again - if you didn't report him, you have no right to complain if he didn't suffer punishment. That's all on you.

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

If all you did truly was repeat/quote, then submit a support ticket. They may reduce to a tier, pending prior punishments.

As far as the "I spend money and should be able to say what I want" argument. There is the equal counter of "I spend money and don't want to see 'toxicity' in games". Take a guess of which had more people on the side.

Anastaecia4 votes

Words can be all sorts of things, including offensive. And you have a lot of offensive words in there...so ban deserved.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

I put money into this game. I should be able to use my language as well as I please. like I said, if you don't like it, mute me.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}

I put money into this game. I should be able to use my language as well as I please. like I said, if you don't like it, mute me.

That's your opinion, yes. It doesn't mean Riot has to accommodate you though -- private organizations are perfectly within their rights to dictate acceptable verbal and/or physical behavior in their venues (real-world or virtual), and ask or insist that people leave for violating those rules.

The "if you don't like it" argument doesn't really hold water, as the reverse ("if you don't like it, find another game") is equally if not more valid, as Riot does have the right to put behavioral restrictions in place.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

I just will be doing that. I can't play a game where the aggressor is actually defended and receives no punishment but I do for explaining why it's dumb in the first place.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}

I just will be doing that. I can't play a game where the aggressor is actually defended and receives no punishment but I do for explaining why it's dumb in the first place.

That's fair, although I will note that Riot takes this very seriously, so it's likely that they received the punishment as well. The message alerting you to that fact does not always appear to send properly, and even when it does it does not send to every person who reported them.

Xidphel1 votes

From the ToU

5.1. Can I troll, flame, threaten or harass people while using the Riot Services? (No. If you do, you might get banned.) While using the Riot Services, you must comply with all laws, rules and regulations in the jurisdiction in which you reside. You must also comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Riot Services (the “Code of Conduct”). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and we reserve the right to modify it at any time, as well as take appropriate disciplinary measures including account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Riot Services, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed in the policy as inappropriate. In addition to the Code of Conduct, please review the Summoner’s Code for additional guidance on exemplary gameplay behavior.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

But I was in the defensive. I was the one being called names. So me explaining the situation is me harassing? I don't understand

OilegibtKoile2 votes

Defend yourself by using the mute button.

Xidphel1 votes

Because you're judged based on your own actions. Not other people's. Mute next time.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

RIght! Exactly my point. My actions were defensive. I was explaining a situation. Not name calling. I should not be banned for explaining

Xidphel1 votes

Well, in any case,

FizzOnMyJaycebb: not if i say fuck or %%% in a video game

Don't say that. At all.

Anastaecia1 votes

{quoted}

I put money into this game. I should be able to use my language as well as I please. like I said, if you don't like it, mute me.

You are a client and have to follow certain rules while using a service. One of those rules is keeping your mouth shut. Can't do that..there's the door.

Xidphel2 votes

One of those rules is to not flame or be toxic. Not necessarily to keep your mouth shut.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

I just don't see how it's fair for someone to be flagrant about their toxicity but not okay for me to call them out on it.

Xidphel1 votes

Because doing so ain't gonna change anything about them anyways.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

It wouldn't let me place the second blurb in a separate comment under our discussion within the comments of this post, so I'm making a separate discussion line just so it can be placed here. This was a similar situation of someone who was playing support with a shitty teammate who sparked arguments with them:


Quoted: another user

No, I can't accept that. If someone is doing something badly, you have to tell them otherwise they'll never learn i.e. playing with fire, guns, bullying, etc.

Being honest is not an excuse. If I wanted to blame them, I would say

"We're losing this game cause you took the ADC role without knowing how to play it. We're losing cause also don't know how to CS at this ELO meaning we're losing CS gold while the enemy team expands their gold advantage. We're losing cause you were probably ELO boosted."

This is what I did:

"I'm doing X because you're doing Y" with Y being "you're missing CS." There is a fundamental difference between what I did and what you're accusing me of having done. You're accusing me of blaming them for something that was within my control. I'm pointing out what I did was take responsibility for making sure my actions help win the game the best way I can even when someone else is intentionally throwing the game.

At not point was I ever making up an excuse. Merely explaining why my team attempting to report me was unjust simply because they didn't like the fact that I took CS as a Support when I had to in order to win given the level of skill or lack thereof that my team was displaying. In a way, I'm glad I defended myself otherwise I'd be perma banned without any record of me explaining why I did the actions that I did ingame which others in my team didn't agree with.

It's perfectly acceptable for you to tell people why they are doing badly, but the situations you're comparing to in real life have different context from league. Mainly, they are in-person when your interactions in league are through chat alone. Your tone can be heard when in-person, and so it is much less likely to be misinterpreted as your chat messages were. When you are unable to use tone of voice to give advice in a way that people will correctly interpret, you must instead use tricks of language in order to achieve that level of understanding with them.

The impact of your words goes beyond how you perceive them. You also have to take into consideration how they will be received.

Here's how the tenses affect rhetoric:

  1. Past tense - Credit: Usually interpreted as crediting outcomes to people, can be used for blame or praise. Here's a mock mathematical representation... (outcome) * (person) = credit If the outcome was negative then the credit being given is negative as well, thus it is considered "blame." Speaking in the past tense will lead people to think you are blaming them, for example: "You missed CS" will equate to, "you did bad thing, bad things followed, it is your fault."

  2. Present tense - Values: Often used for aligning points of view, can be used to express sympathy or re-frame a misunderstanding. Speaking in the present tense will lead people to think you are talking about values. For example, saying "you are missing CS." Will often be interpreted as, "You are not getting enough CS."

  3. Future tense - Decisions: Most suited to debating and setting goals, useful for influencing choices made in the future. Speaking in the future tense is the most effective way to get people to focus on a goal. For example: "You need to get more CS" will often be interpreted as, "You need to focus on farming more."

If you genuinely want your teammates to understand you and learn to not do something wrong, then you need to give your advice in the future tense instead of the past tense. "You missed CS," while accurate and certainly true, is not going to make the person think about getting more CS in the future - it is instead going to make them think you are blaming them for missing CS. This is human nature, and it is pretty common in the league community and many other high stress team environments.

Using the future tense is much more effective, because it will orient them on the goal, and draw their attention away from trying to attribute credit (both good or bad) for a past choice and its outcome. It helps even more if you suggest the method (more CS) in terms of a larger goal. For example, "If you try to farm safely and catch up on CS, you can buy the items needed to win fights with that opponent in the future."


That's it for advice, on to discussing justification of punishment.

You didn't just give advice and then stop. You repeatedly harped on Ashe for things such as missing CS or failing plays. One instance could potentially be understandable as feedback or a short outburst of frustration, but the more you repeat the negative statements multiple times then it just looks more and more like you're bullying them for being bad. "ashe messed up, there were 5 ppl there" is borderline, but then you went on to say, "calling it what it is, ashe is bad" and even "giving up on this adc" - That's not advice, that's just being a negative-nancy.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

There's a lot of side discussion going on because of the hate speech in the chat log but I don't think that is even why you got banned. It certainly may have contributed to getting the system to look at your case, but there's something else going on here that I think you're not aware of.

As has been established already, you came off of a 14-day ban within the past couple months. If you haven't shown enough improvement then your standing will remain on thin ice even many months after such a ban. And regardless of the severity of (or lack thereof) your latest transgression, ANY punishable behavior, no matter how small can result in being kicked up to the next level of punishment. If you happened to still have the standing of someone who is on the 14-day ban level, then the next level up is a permaban.

I personally don't think this is fair depending on the circumstances, because a player could get 14-day banned for hate speech and then be permabanned afterwards for something small like passive aggressiveness without receiving warning about passive aggressiveness. Your case is different even from this though because you also repeated hate speech. It wouldn't matter if you repeated hate speech or merely accused another player of trolling, it would have the same effect regardless.

Here's what I think likely got you banned, even if the repeating of hate speech did not.

  1. You called for people to gang up on and report another player. This is never necessary, one report is all it takes to get the system to review the player's behavior. And calling for other people to gang up on an individual like you did here can be considered harassment.

  2. You accused others of trolling. Riot does not tolerate this sort of thing because being called a troll when you are not trolling can be one of the most infuriating things for a player who is simply struggling to play well. Maybe it is obvious to you that the player is trolling, but if it is to you, then it will be to Riot as well. Calling it out in chat only feeds them the attention they crave and increases the likelihood that they will continue to harass you. You should have muted them instead.

  3. And on top of that you antagonized a player by threatening that they would be banned. Again, don't feed them attention. If they are actually a troll then you are just making things worse, and if they aren't a troll then you're bullying them and making them feel worse.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

if you are correct about this, correct about the three options that could have gotten me banned, then this system is far more broken than I originally thought. in (1) am I not supposed to call out someone for terrible behavior? Why is it okay for them to behave that way, but not for me to say something to the other players in lobby about it. In (2): Similar to (1), it seems that riot favors the one that is committing the act rather than the one calling others out for it. in (3): Usually when you bring in the reality of someone being banned they straighten their act out again. I don't like the fact that I can't interact with someone I have a problem with. It's how I handle situations in real life (always peacefully I might add) and its how it should be handled in game.

Ginsanchou1 votes

{quoted}

(1) am I not supposed to call out someone for terrible behavior?

No you are not, this isn't the place to "call people out"

In (2): Similar to (1), it seems that riot favors the one that is committing the act rather than the one calling others out for it.

Again, CALLING PEOPLE OUT is not your responsibility

in (3): Usually when you bring in the reality of someone being banned they straighten their act out again. I don't like the fact that I can't interact with someone I have a problem with. It's how I handle situations in real life (always peacefully I might add) and its how it should be handled in game.

And you must be a lovely person irl if you call everyone who does wrong in your eyes out.

HalcyonDweller1 votes
  1. No, you are supposed to mute them and report them after the match for it. If they are trolling then calling them out for it will give them exactly what they want - attention. If they are not trolling then it will just piss them off and make them argue, and if they are already pissed off then you've basically just pulled the pin on a grenade and dropped it at your team's feet.

  2. Riot does not favor anybody over anybody. Each player is punished for their behavior and their behavior alone. Just because you don't have proof the player was punished does not mean that they were not punished. Also, keep in mind that the apparent results (chat offenses punished more swiftly and efficiently than game-play offenses) are not a direct result of Riot's beliefs and motivations, but rather the results are also subject to technological limitations that prevent Riot from having an equally efficient system for each category of behavior.

  3. I'm with you on this. I also prefer to handle things directly with people. Technically you don't have to stop doing this in league, but if you intend to continue solving things directly with people then you're going to have to find a better way than, "stop trolling," and, "enjoy your ban," and, "you're bad."

If you want teammates to listen to you then you need to earn their respect. You can do so by being respectful to them (even if you think they don't deserve it) and by using the future tense instead of past tense so that things you say are directed at making goals for the future rather than arguing over who is at fault when something goes wrong. I wrote a whole blurb about this if you're interested in learning more / seeing some examples. Let me know I can copy paste it in a new comment here.

Xaintrix1 votes

{quoted} Just because you don't have proof the player was punished does not mean that they were not punished.

It's amazing the vast amount of people that do not understand this.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

i would like to see your blurb

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Ok, I actually have 2 blurbs, hopefully it will allow me to place them both separately. Here's the main one:


The biggest piece of advice I can give you is try to win their respect and trust. If they respect and trust you, they will be the most open to your advice when you need to tell them to play differently. This can be achieved in a number of different ways, but the best of which that I've found is through clever manipulation of the conversation via verb tense. More on this later.

Flaming rarely works. As I'm sure you already know since you're posting here looking for other ways to deal with them. Try to keep in mind that a lot of the time people make mistakes, and they aren't actively trying to lose. It helps to remember that everyone on the team wants to win (most of the time anyway) and that they are probably equally as frustrated about what went wrong as you are.

I wrote a bunch about this stuff before, so I'll quote it here since it seems like it might help you.

{quoted}

Ok for advice I've got a few things. A lot of it is written out in the post linked below, but I'll elaborate a bunch and add a few points in my comment here as well.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bv2m7fx4-feeders-and-toxic-teammates-got-you-down-this-may-help

Warning: Wall of text incoming. It's a lot to read, but trust me it's all useful techniques that I've used to great effect in my own games. It's worth your time if you are willing to read through it all.


1. On avoiding getting banned:

You don't want to get banned obviously, so first and foremost you should avoid being negative, passive aggressive, or insulting in any way from this point on. A good rule of thumb is this: If you wouldn't say it loudly to somebody in a public place in front of someone who's respect you hold dear, it's probably not something you should say to a stranger over the internet. Or alternatively, If you would be upset if a teammate said it to you when your situations were reversed, then you shouldn't say it to a teammate. Avoid being sarcastic, or saying anything to blame teammates.

Generally speaking, anything that you say that might anger your teammate is something that could make them report you. Whether or not their report for that statement is justified, if it triggers the IFS to review your behavior and the IFS finds something else that you said in that game that it thinks is punishable, it's going to punish you for the second thing even if the person reported you for something else.

Keep in mind that after a 14-day ban you're going to be on super thin ice. Even minor negativity may be enough to trigger another punishment, and unfortunately (and in this case, unfairly in my opinion) for you, the next punishment in the progression is a permanent ban. If you are not absolutely certain that you can talk to irritating teammates without saying something punishable, then it is better to not talk to those types of teammates at all. Mute them and don't even acknowledge what they say. You can safely report them yourself after the game and leave it in Riot's hands to deal with them.

After several months of consistently honorable (or otherwise positive) behavior, your account standing should improve and that 'thin-ice' and danger of being permabanned will loom over you much less.


2. On using past, present, and future tense to better steer discussions in a positive direction:

It especially helps to steer conversations into the future tense. reasons being this:

  • The past tense is often used for assigning blame
  • the present tense is often used for discussing values
  • and the future tense is often used for making choices or decisions in the future.

This is a subtle twist of language that a lot of people don't realize affects their discussions with others, and they react to it on a subconscious level.

For example, picture this happening in one of your games. Person A just died to a gank because they pushed up too far and didn't ward. Here we will look at the outcomes of using different verb tenses to discuss their death.

Case 1 - Past tense:

Person B: Dude you shouldn't have been so far up <- notice the past tense, this will often make Person A feel like they are being attacked, and they are more likely to react by defending themselves instead of focusing on playing smarter the next time. person A: I wasn't trying to die, they just caught me! It wasn't my fault!!!

Here Person A argued instead of recognizing or learning what they need to do better next time (ward and watch out for ganks).

Case 2 - Present tense:

Person B: Aww man that sucks, I'm sorry you're dead right now. it's not fair how they can pull bullshit like that. person A: Thanks! Yeah, it's so unfair!

Here both players commiserate over the unfortunate event. Nothing is learned from it, but Person A is at least feeling supported by person B. As long as you use the present tense like this (to express support for a teammate after something bad happens), it will serve a good purpose because it will put Person A's mind at ease and they won't be worried about getting flamed by Person B every time they make a mistake.

Case 3 - Future tense:

Person B: Oof that's unfortunate. Lets try to ward next time before you push like that again, maybe it will help keep you safe. person A: Thanks! I'll try that.

Here person B makes the discussion focus more on what to do about the problem in the future, and they do it in a helpful way. This helps Player A to see why their push ended badly for them and gives them a clear goal - a safer strategy to try the next time that they want to push.

Also, keep in mind that verb tense is more than just talking about when to do something. Telling somebody to "stop feeding/flaming" or to "feed/flame less next time" isn't really using the future tense, because it is still making the player's mistake from the past into the main focus of the discussion.


3. On maintaining team morale and preventing tilt and arguments.

A lot of the time, people begin to argue or tilt because of plays going badly. They can't accept responsibility (or fault / blame) for their mistakes, or they are upset because somebody else's mistake made the game harder to win.

A series of bad plays is sometimes all it takes to drive a team into the worst sorts of in-fighting and arguments. This is why it is super important to maintain team morale and to keep people focused on strategy and future plays.

When a play goes badly, you can head-off (or prevent) multiple problems. First you can prevent the player from tilting and getting anxious or afraid of their mistakes getting them blamed or harassed by the team. And second, you can help the whole team to not tilt by turning the focus away from the mistake and towards what can be done to prevent or make-up-for the mistake in the future.

To do this you need to use a combination of the present and future tense, in order to make the player (or team) feel supported while also giving them a clear goal of something to do better the next time around. For example, the future tense case from section 2. Notice how Player B commiserates with player A to make them feel like Player B is on their side ("oof that 's unfortunate," and then gives them an idea for what to do next time ("Maybe if we ward next time it will keep you safe.")

Maintaining team morale isn't just about preventing tilt though! You don't even have to try to make players feel better after a bad play if they are already feeling great in the first place! This is why it is important to compliment teammates whenever a play goes well.

If the jungler ganks top and they kill the enemy or force the enemy to waste resources... Say something like "good teamwork top & jungle" or "great gank" because these sorts of things will make them feel good about what they did well, and make them feel motivated to try to do such teamwork successfully again in the future.

If bottom lane gets a tower or mid lane roams and makes a successful play, compliment them for it! People love praise and it will make them feel like you have their back.

This has another benefit of making them trust you more, that way if things go wrong later and you need to give feedback or suggest they do something different, they will already think you are nice and will be less likely to take it personally or get upset when you tell them to do something differently.


Conclusion:

Phew! That was a lot, I hope it wasn't too much of a wall of text. That's most of what I have to say for now.

I've used each of these techniques to great effect in my own games, and I highly recommend you try them in your own. If you have any questions about them or you want to discuss other techniques, just let me know I'll be happy to talk more about this.

Anomander1 votes

Even if you remove the repeating of others hate speach, your own antagonizing behavior is well deserving of a punishment. You made the game far more negative and contributed to a very toxic environment.

FizzOnMyJayce bb1 votes

get out of here with that logic kid. I did nothing to create an antagonizing environment and with the repeating of others' words removed, I have done nothing wrong. The worst was calling him a twit which isn't even a real insult. Why does everything have to be so nice and hunky dory?

CheapKill1 votes

Enjoy your ban mate.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

open a ticket you might get out of it. their ban program doesn't understand in what context you are using that word. it will ban anyone who says it no matter how they are using it.

colonel cranc1 votes

hello qt [sg-jinx]

Liquid Poro 1 votes

Try not to repeat what anyone said.

Liquid Poro 1 votes

Try not to repeat what anyone said.

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