Why was this a permanent suspension?

Pikachus cigar·Aug 29, 2016·1 votes·1,018 views

I had spent weeks playing on my account after a ban, and I had my account in good standing, then i had a few games where i was very low key toxic towards team mates, after having been repeatedly flamed all game (Ie, id be flamed for most of the game by a team mate, then id tell them something like "shut up and stop blaming me please") My account was in good standing, but this got be permanently banned with no warning. Normally you would receive multiple warnings before a permanent suspension, why was i ban hammered out of nowhere?

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SmokedAlmondsAug 29, 20163 votes

So were you banned a few weeks ago or were you banned out of nowhere? It can't be both.

Your account isn't just back in good standing because you behaved for a few weeks. Currently you go down 1 punishment tier every 3 months. So after 3 months you would get a 14 day ban for your next punishment again instead of the permanent ban and it would take 9 months to get back to "good standing".

Get permanently banned a few weeks after getting 14 day banned isn't out of nowhere, it is following the normal escalation structure.

Pikachus cigarAug 29, 20161 votes

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So were you banned a few weeks ago or were you banned out of nowhere? It can't be both.

Your account isn't just back in good standing because you behaved for a few weeks. Currently you go down 1 punishment tier every 3 months. So after 3 months you would get a 14 day ban for your next punishment again instead of the permanent ban and it would take 9 months to get back to "good standing".

Get permanently banned a few weeks after getting 14 day banned isn't out of nowhere, it is following the normal escalation structure.

Not true, You can know if your account is in good standing based on rather or not riot allows you to receive crates after games, if your account isnt in good standing, they dont allow you to, i wasnt toxic for weeks on weeks on weeks, I was allowed to after over 200 games. This does not follow their typical Punitive measures.

SmokedAlmondsAug 29, 20161 votes

That is not true. Hextech rewards are not tied to the punishment tiers like that. Hextech rewards are earned back with games played and punishment levels decay with time. If you play a lot of games you can work off the hextech ineligibility before improving punishment tiers.

3 months, that is what it takes to improve your punishment standing by 1 tier. So unless your "weeks on weeks on weeks" is 12 weeks or more then a permanent ban was the expected punishment for any behavioral infraction.

Pikachus cigarAug 29, 20161 votes

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That is not true. Hextech rewards are not tied to the punishment tiers like that. Hextech rewards are earned back with games played and punishment levels decay with time. If you play a lot of games you can work off the hextech ineligibility before improving punishment tiers.

3 months, that is what it takes to improve your punishment standing by 1 tier. So unless your "weeks on weeks on weeks" is 12 weeks or more then a permanent ban was the expected punishment for any behavioral infraction.

if this is the case then riot basically expects you to be inhuman. What person can literally go 12 weeks without being aggressive in any way whilst being flamed repeatedly by people? That's a completely unreasonable expectation. I can understand banning people who are constantly toxic, but being toxic a few times in 3 months is not a toxic player.

SmokedAlmondsAug 29, 20163 votes

The overwhelming majority of people never even get a 10 game chat restriction much less have to worry about being on the edge of a permanent ban.

Pikachus cigarAug 29, 20161 votes

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The overwhelming majority of people never even get a 10 game chat restriction much less have to worry about being on the edge of a permanent ban.

because they intentionally dont say anything and act like carebears due to the unreasonable expectations.

TrulyBlandAug 30, 20161 votes

Or because they respect other players (by not harassing them) as well as themselves (by not responding to harassment). Either way you can't blame "unreasonable expecations" when so many people manage to meet them.

Pikachus cigarAug 30, 20161 votes

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Or because they respect other players (by not harassing them) as well as themselves (by not responding to harassment). Either way you can't blame "unreasonable expecations" when so many people manage to meet them.

all because most people can manage to meet an expectation does not make an expectation reasonable. The ability to avoid a behavior does not make the punishment that is given for that behavior warranted.

Jo0oAug 30, 20161 votes

Well, sure. Those "unreasonable" expectations are on par with society's. Ever work retail, or at the bottom of the ladder of virtually any business? Lots of jobs involve getting shit on by customers, coworkers, and management. It's fine to complain about it after the fact over a couple beers, but fighting fire with fire gets you, well, fired.

SmokedAlmondsAug 30, 20161 votes

Not really. Most people don't just rage at strangers on a regular basis. That is not normal behavior. It may be normal to you because that is how you behave, but not for the majority.

That wouldn't really change anything anyway. If you are being punished saying nothing is an improvement over what you were saying anyway.

TeslynAug 30, 20161 votes

5% of the community gets reported.

doesnt sound like alot right?

play 2 games. 20 people / 1 person in 2 games gets reported.

gg 5% of the community.

DynikusAug 29, 20161 votes

What person can literally go 12 weeks without being aggressive in any way whilst being flamed repeatedly by people?

95% of players never receive so much as a chat restriction. I think it's something like .2% of players are bad enough to receive a permanent ban. I've had this account since 2010 and have never received any punishment. It doesn't take being "inhuman" to not throw back petty insults or flame your teammates for mistakes.

Pikachus cigarAug 29, 20161 votes

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95% of players never receive so much as a chat restriction. I think it's something like .2% of players are bad enough to receive a permanent ban. I've had this account since 2010 and have never received any punishment. It doesn't take being "inhuman" to not throw back petty insults or flame your teammates for mistakes. Sorry, some people dont like being blatantly disrespected and arent going to sit here and just be silent when it happens every single game.

VenDyerAug 30, 20161 votes

I yell outloud. Id rather get cuddles from my girlfriend saying 'everything will be alright' than get my team fired up saying 'report this __ please'. Try that, yelling outloud works sometimes. Hands off the keyboard, and onto a stress ball, or something.

Pikachus cigarAug 30, 20161 votes

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I yell outloud. Id rather get cuddles from my girlfriend saying 'everything will be alright' than get my team fired up saying 'report this __ please'. Try that, yelling outloud works sometimes. Hands off the keyboard, and onto a stress ball, or something.

I dont understand why noone wants to criticize riots ridiculous rules, I want the game to be better, I dont think we reach that by blindly agreeing with all of their decisions as a company.

SmokedAlmondsAug 30, 20161 votes

We all want the game to be better. Punishments for the behavior we are talking about make the game better. It's not blindly agreeing just because it isn't the same opinion that you hold.

Pikachus cigarAug 30, 20161 votes

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We all want the game to be better. Punishments for the behavior we are talking about make the game better. It's not blindly agreeing just because it isn't the same opinion that you hold.

Im honestly sick of losing so many weeks upon weeks, and in some cases months of work just because people decide to flame me and i eventually get sick of it. this is one of the few things i genuinely am passionate about playing competitively and enjoy, and im depressed. I lose all of my work because someone decides to be a jerk to me. I had finally spent a long time not being toxic and even reached gold 3.

SmokedAlmondsAug 30, 20162 votes

You aren't losing anything because of anything anyone else is doing. You are losing your progress because of what you are doing.

You became the exact same thing you are complaining about. Think about how you feel about those people who flamed you and set you off. That is exactly how people feel about you. That is why you get punished for it.

Pikachus cigarAug 30, 20161 votes

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You aren't losing anything because of anything anyone else is doing. You are losing your progress because of what you are doing.

You became the exact same thing you are complaining about. Think about how you feel about those people who flamed you and set you off. That is exactly how people feel about you. That is why you get punished for it.

If you think I deserve to lose months of work because i tell someone to shut up after they flame me for an entire game then youre unempathetic.

SmokedAlmondsAug 30, 20162 votes

Deserve it after telling someone to shut up, no. Consistently and after repeated punishments and still continuing to do so, yes.

I've played this game since season 1. I know exactly the situations you are talking about. I have lived them 1000 times. You probably weren't the one that started it but you participated and you likely escalated it. Responding to toxic people is just throwing gas on a fire. Your rage is useless and counter productive. You actually have a button that makes that makes people shut up, mute.

You need to learn to mute/ignore people and report them at the end. Otherwise you just make yourself part of the problem.

Pikachus cigarAug 30, 20161 votes

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Deserve it after telling someone to shut up, no. Consistently and after repeated punishments and still continuing to do so, yes.

I've played this game since season 1. I know exactly the situations you are talking about. I have lived them 1000 times. You probably weren't the one that started it but you participated and you likely escalated it. Responding to toxic people is just throwing gas on a fire. Your rage is useless and counter productive. You actually have a button that makes that makes people shut up, mute.

You need to learn to mute/ignore people and report them at the end. Otherwise you just make yourself part of the problem.

Just showing you lack empathy towards this scenario though.

SmokedAlmondsAug 30, 20161 votes

I fully understand your feelings towards those people that set you off. It just doesn't excuse your response to the situation.

VenDyerAug 30, 20161 votes

If someone threatens you, and calls you names, that doesnt give you the permission to hit them back. Be the bigger man, and walk away knowing you are a stronger person than them. Something that I learned recently, the second someone flames me, I /muteall. Blocks them all from talking, and I cant see a thing. Ignorance is bliss, and I love it.

Mobi BootzAug 30, 20161 votes

I am a person who has never been banned or muted and very rarely(we all have that really bad game every once in a while) use the chat for negative reasons I think the idea of permanently banning someone for saying something you found "mean" or "offensive" is just a terrible policy. A mute is justified, but a ban is extreme. By muting someone they can no longer perform the action riot doesn't want them to perform and any necessary communication (not that really happens in solo queue anyway XD) can be carried out with pings. In summary banning someone for saying things certain people, who could just mute the person saying those things, doesn't like doesn't justify a ban.

DynikusAug 30, 20161 votes

Well I hope "some people" like making new accounts because they can't control their temper. If someone says something in chat that pisses you off, mute them and report them after the game if you want to.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 30, 20161 votes

What person can literally go 12 weeks without being aggressive in any way whilst being flamed repeatedly by people? That's a completely unreasonable expectation.

I can't even touch a single chat restriction, so this is purely an easy step in removing the punishment tiers.

Pikachus cigarAug 29, 20161 votes

To clarify this wasnt an attempt to justify me being low key toxic, i just dont understand why this got me a permanent suspension, i was barely toxic whilst my account was in good standing, it made no sense based off of how riot usually handles toxicity.

VenDyerAug 30, 20161 votes

We know you think you were being low key toxic, but regardless, its still toxicity we dont want in our community. When you signed up for League, you agreed to the Summoners Code. Number 7, Be Resolute, not Indignant. I know you are frustrated, but 1, you were told not to be mean when you first started, and 2, you need to accept what happened. I know its rough, but you need to own up to your actions. You were suspended for a reason. Riot wouldnt have done so without a good reason.

KarunamonAug 30, 20161 votes

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To clarify this wasnt an attempt to justify me being low key toxic, i just dont understand why this got me a permanent suspension, i was barely toxic whilst my account was in good standing, it made no sense based off of how riot usually handles toxicity.

"barely toxic" is still toxic.

DynikusAug 29, 20161 votes

If you previously received a 14 day suspension, the next step is a permanent ban.

Pikachus cigarAug 29, 20161 votes

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If you previously received a 14 day suspension, the next step is a permanent ban.

I dont think you understand how it works.

DynikusAug 29, 20162 votes

considering you have a permanent ban on your account, I think you're the one that misunderstood. Simply being eligible for loot again doesn't mean your account is in good standing, or that you've dropped punishment tiers.