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Less LP in Rankeds and a low priority Queue for Honor Lvl 0 Accounts (That are permanently Honor 0)

MrButternuss·11/19/2018, 11:43:26 PM·2 votes·2,238 views

Im starting this Discussion by claiming that the Toxicity Punishment in this Game is way waaaay to soft. People just dont care! They just keep on going. And dont even think a measly chat restriction keeps them from harassing and verbal abusing.

I know, everybody makes mistakes, so the following ONLY counts for Accounts that were Honor 0 or 1 for LONGER than 300 Days. (About a full Season)

If you are Honor lvl 0 or 1 that long, you made it pretty obvious you are not an enrichment for the Game neither for the Playerbase.

I think those players should either:

  • Gain less LP for a win in Rankeds. (2-4 LP) (This is where it actually hurts those people)

or

  • Be placed in a Queue for Honor 0 Accounts ONLY. (Not counting the Honor 1 accounts here) (they'll be with their kind, perfect)

In return Honor 4 and 5 should get "better" rewards. Those players are (mostly) an enrichment to the Game so they should be rewarded like that.

Im Honor 5 myself and serously... i SUFFOCATE on Hextech-Keys! Its just not satifying to get Keypiece after keypiece. I have 9 full Keys right now and i dont even know what to do with all of them. I already have the Skins i want... sooo...

For real now, i think Honor Lvl 4 and 5 accounts should get a.e just a tiny bit more LP in Rankeds. (Talking about 1-3 LP)

Now you surely ask youself "WHY? So all those irons/Silvers/Bronzes can be in MY Gold 5 games? NEVER!" [zombie-brand-mindblown] But for real, dont you think they have deserved the reward to have better chances to climb? (which this game is all about)

But after all, this is just a example for a possible reward.

If you have better Ideas, feel free to comment them below ^^

14 Comments

Umbral Regent11/19/2018, 11:52:31 PM6 votes

Gain less LP for a win in Rankeds. (2-4 LP) (This is where it actually hurts those people)

Players who remain stuck in Dishonorable status already lose out on end-of-season rewards, and frankly, cutting into their LP gains would be both an underhanded way of trying to prove a point, and it just wouldn't work. If they're going to climb, they're going to climb, no amount of Honor-based inhibiting will change that.

On top of that, I'm pretty sure the only metric that should decide how quickly/how slowly you climb in Ranked is skill, not Honor. It's absolute nonsense to tie Ranked progression to Honor.

Be placed in a Queue for Honor 0 Accounts ONLY. (Not counting the Honor 1 accounts here) (they'll be with their kind, perfect)

And Riot has already stated that this is not on the table, period.

In return Honor 4 and 5 should get "better" rewards. Those players are (mostly) an enrichment to the Game so they should be rewarded like that.

Im Honor 5 myself and serously... i SUFFOCATE on Hextech-Keys! Its just not satifying to get Keypiece after keypiece. I have 9 full Keys right now and i dont even know what to do with all of them. I already have the Skins i want... sooo...

For real now, i think Honor Lvl 4 and 5 accounts should get a.e just a tiny bit more LP in Rankeds. (Talking about 1-3 LP)

Again; Honor should not tie into Ranked progression. The only thing in Ranked that Honor should be tied to is end-of-season reward eligibility. Not the climb itself.

On top of that, what more actual rewards could we possibly get? We get ambient key fragment drops, skin shards, ward skin shards, emotes, Essence drops, and even guaranteed skins on reaching Honor 5. To ask for much more than we got would frankly be greedy.

dcsorel11/20/2018, 12:02:09 AM1 votes

I have to disagree! I just got chat restrictions for asking people to please leave me alone. By defending myself by saying, “I’m doing my job! I fed the adc and I’m pushing up leaned and trying to calm to catch up since I’m behind” I even muted. But the 3 players continued their attack in post chat where I once again defended myself as did the 5th player. But I got chat restrictions because according to Riot by defending myself, not in a negative way, not by cussing nor by being toxic, I have “Continued and encouraged the negativity” no joke!!! Third time I’ve been chat restricted for self defense and for muting! So as I agree the toxic people need harsher punishment, they are also punishing the victims in these situations because we defend ourselves! Did I mention that the other person who defended me did not get a chat restriction!?! So yeah! I’m muting at the first sign of negativity from now on! Oh! Andblocking people only means they can’t chat with you! You will still be placed with them in games! Which I think is ridiculous!!!

Oh and I got put to honor 0 from honor 4 because of it too! So the system is clearly flawed!!!! I did not deserve to be verbally harassed and then receive punishment from riot as well because I asked to be left alone and stated I was doing my job! Again while not cussing nor being toxic! Be careful how you judge those with less honor. It doesn’t always reflect who they really are just as ranked level doesn’t always reflect how good a player is. It simply means that they may have really bad luck with who they get placed with!!!

AJStarhiker11/20/2018, 3:42:14 AM1 votes

When you consider toxicity lowers teamwork and (by extension) a players chances to win, toxic players already effectively eaern reduced LP. It just isn't as visible as if they earn 10 LP where other players would earn 15.

Also, Riot doesn't toss dishonorable players into a separate queue for a few reasons.

  1. It gives them no real incentive to improve. People model what they see the people around them doing. If you toss a bunch of toxic players into the same space, they'll just egg each other on into increasingly worse behavior.

  2. It turns matchmaking into a nightmare. The more factors to account for, the harder it becomes to accurately place similar skills.

  3. Money. But not for the reasons people have, who think it's simply to force those players into repurchasing champions and skins. In reality, Riot would happily give up 1 toxic person who averages $100/month but convinces 9 to quit in favor of 10 neutral players who average $10/month.

Faneseeker11/20/2018, 1:07:30 PM1 votes

I don't think harsher punishment is the solution. This is after all just a game, by the end of the day anyone can just gave riot the middle finger and uninstall, sure you'll deal with some minor withdrawal symotom but nothing a step away from the computer can't cure.

I think to improve behaviour as a whole better rewards are the way to go. Ofc that eats into riots bottom-line, so in a way they seem to prefer harsher punishments, but that in itself is a double edge sword.

Danksley11/21/2018, 3:03:36 AM1 votes

They should remove rank from people for being punished.

Chat restricts drop you to 0LP in the division below.

Bans delete your rank like a server transfer and force a placement game.

MMR is unaffected so it doesn't create pseudo-smurfs or provide bronze players an incentive to get 2 week banned in order to reset to silver.

Alternatively, and sadistically, provide up to two free losses in promos for each honor level below 2 (depending on BO3 / BO5), Honor 1 gets 1 loss regardless, Honor 0 gets 2 losses in BO5).

Telephone Booth11/21/2018, 4:17:42 AM1 votes

No. Being honorable is not a requirement for being high ranked in this game. It should not affect your ranked at all. Honor is encouraged through rewards, not encouraged through punishment. In other words, there isnt a rule where you have to be honorable... that is ridiculous. So they arent gonna punish you for lacking honor. But they will reward you for having it.

Excellent Era11/21/2018, 7:58:08 AM1 votes

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Im starting this Discussion by claiming that the Toxicity Punishment in this Game is way waaaay to soft. People just dont care! They just keep on going. And dont even think a measly chat restriction keeps them from harassing and verbal abusing.

I know, everybody makes mistakes, so the following ONLY counts for Accounts that were Honor 0 or 1 for LONGER than 300 Days. (About a full Season)

If you are Honor lvl 0 or 1 that long, you made it pretty obvious you are not an enrichment for the Game neither for the Playerbase.

players who are honor lvl 2 for 300 days are no more honorable than a person who is honor lvl 1 for 300 days, change my mind