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How does Riot let this go unpunished?!?!?

BEEP84hc58··15 votes·2,159 views
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Had a guy today who freaked out in prematch chatbecause he didnt want Leona supp for some reason...then he said he was AFKing for the entire match. This type of toxic behavior is common in bronze, so we shrugged it off since everyone knows how OP Leona supp is when played right. So, this guy did keep his promise to AFK, as you can see from the pictures included in this thread. So I looked up her match history, and saw that it's a common occurence with this person. How the heck does Riot let this go unpunished but bans the guy who gets mad at the AFK for costing the team the loss? This is straight up evidence that the punishment system is broken and needs to be addressed. And before you ask how I know whether or not someone was punished based on reports: You get a pop-up when punishment has been taken against a toxic player thanking you for your involvement in reporting said toxic player. No pop-up came, yet it's hard to belive that I'm the only one to report this guy with his chronic toxic behavior.

What gives Riot...you just going to let this go and let players like this ruin the game and cause others to be verbally toxic out of frustration? If so, youre as much of the problem as anyone is!

BTW, we nearly won this 4v5, but 2 errors cost us :( Live and learn

36 Comments

Banuvan8 votes

I lost faith in Rito as soon as they brought on Lyte's dumbass. He's a joke and his "improvements" to the game are a joke.

Mama Soraka5 votes

All the games you posted were within 24 hours of each other. For all you know someone reported him in each game, his account went up for review and is suspended (or has had its suspension elevated due to repeat offences) which is EXACTLY how the system is supposed to work.

What people like you fail to understand is the system has a very clear, observable and consistent mode of operation that will NEVER kick in within the frame of one game, or hell even one day and your anecdotal experience within this time frame, no matter how compelling it may seem, is completely invalid in that context.

All you've managed to do is come clutter up PB&M with a thread about how you don't think the system is working when you clearly don't understand the scale it operates on. Please refrain from making more threads like this, its not helping anyone, least of which you.

I'm sorry you had a bad time, but it happens and the people that cause it frequently enough quickly find themselves minus one account for their trouble.

BEEP84hc585 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mauve Thunder,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jIduaaTV,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-03-14T19:30:41.139+0000)

All the games you posted were within 24 hours of each other. For all you know someone reported him in each game, his account went up for review and is suspended (or has had its suspension elevated due to repeat offences) which is EXACTLY how the system is supposed to work.

What people like you fail to understand is the system has a very clear, observable and consistent mode of operation that will NEVER kick in within the frame of one game, or hell even one day and your anecdotal experience within this time frame, no matter how compelling it may seem, is completely invalid in that context.

All you've managed to do is come clutter up PB&M with a thread about how you don't think the system is working when you clearly don't understand the scale it operates on. Please refrain from making more threads like this, its not helping anyone, least of which you.

I'm sorry you had a bad time, but it happens and the people that cause it frequently enough quickly find themselves minus one account for their trouble.

Im sorry, but you're wrong if you think this guy shouldn't be punished, when he has AFK'd 13 of his last 20 matches. Thre is clear proof there. And I dont think for a second that his account went under review for a day...I reported my RL friend because he ws a d*ck to the other team, and he got punished immediately---so it looks like the penalty system is triggered by reports. Which, if thats the case, is like saying a criminal is actually innocent because all of his peers refuse to snitch on him...just because you arent reported doesnt mean that you havent offended

Shahamut6 votes

He isn't saying this guy shouldn't be punished. He is simply pointing out that you have a flawed (according to him, I don't actually know) understanding of the system, specifically in how it works. Im sorry to hear about your RL friend, but if it happened that fast, then it obviously wasn't his first report :P.

Take a deep breathe, and move on to the next game. This is a lesson I am learning as well... Have had nothing but Carp and Catfish in my games lately (bottom feeders, get it? bot lane? feeding? no? oh well...) Its frustrating as heck, but ya just have to report and move on. Don't dwell on it.

Mama Soraka2 votes

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I'm noticing a trend where people don't read the available information on how reports work or don't understand how escalation and punishment work. There are plenty of resources available quite easily through a quick google search (for how reports work) or a forum search to find many, many red posts on how the punitive system works.

Taking one bad game and running with it to "This person is constantly bad even though I was not involved in more than 1 game with them and has never been punished so the system is broken" isn't helping anyone. Spreading misinformation, intentionally now that you've been informed, is only making the problem worse for other summoners, too.

EmollientNut04 votes

When the system fails to protect its citizens, it is the enforcement that is to blame.

Mama Soraka1 votes

Except nobody can truly measure that outside of minor anecdotal experiences without the same metrics Riot has. Also this has nothing to do with my post, which is merely stating that people are making assumptions based on false information.

Supreme Senpai693 votes

But it's not one bad game. H-he took pictures. It's several games. Where the dude never plays. Just AFKs.

BEEP84hc583 votes

[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jIduaaTV,comment-id=00030000000000000001,timestamp=2016-03-15T10:00:10.195+0000)

But it's not one bad game. H-he took pictures. It's several games. Where the dude never plays. Just AFKs.

Exactly! Everyone has bad game, or their power goes out on them or their internet goes down...but this guy shows a total lack of respect for the punishment and continues to ruin 4 teammates game experiences consistently.You can argue that he ruins the experience of 9 other players in the match if you want to consider that the other team is likely to not encounter a competitive game playing with an extra champ. If it was a once-in-a-while occurence, then I wouldnt have a problem with his AFK. Since he apparently AFK's to punish his team when they dont do what he wants them to do, then it tells me that **he thinks he is better **than the rest of us and can do whatever he wants becauase he knows the punishment won't be too harsh, even for blatantly obvious griefing.

Mama Soraka2 votes

You have no idea if he was punished or not, again you're just assuming the worst case scenario and being mad about it. On top of that you act like the system can work in a time frame it just isn't designed for.

People get this idea that Riot only punished verbal toxicity because things like asking somebody to kill themselves or whatever (I don't have to deal with this too often so forgive the lack of examples) are among the few actions that get automatically escalated and resolved within a short time span.

Things like feeding and griefing are probably the most common reports, I mean there are millions of people many of whom are going to be salty over a loss and looking to blame somebody. Good reports need to be found, bad reports thrown out, patterns established against known data, new data evaluated and added to the database, and finally EVERY game, even ones without reports are evaluated to help the system understand what things aren't considered bad by the community. Its big, its slow, its imperfect, but its what we have and learning how it works and how to best serve yourself through reports can save you a lot of frustration in the long run.

I'd be worried if this guy was exhibiting this same behavior a week from now. That would be excessive and probably worth a support ticket to help them fine tune the system to fix whatever loophole he slipped through.

innermethod2 votes

A time frame it just isn't designed for? I'm shooting from the hip here, but I'm pretty sure last year they advertised immediate bans... and if what someone said about leaver buster picking up on those running in circles etc. is in fact true, then how can leaver buster detect that this guy is repeatedly doing it and not hand out the aforementioned immediate ban?

I'll admit I'm not up to snuff on the ban system, but it seems like something is not adding up with what we were promised about a new League with less trolls. Just my two cents it feels like nothing has changed.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

The punishment for AFKing isn't a ban it is a low priority queue. Which is something you can't see in a match history.

innermethod1 votes

Thanks for clearing that up. You would think that for repeat offenders, the queue would get so long that eventually the next punishment should be a ban.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

I'm a pretty big fan of the low priority queue, it makes people actually experience the punishment. And bans, especially short bans are basically saying just go play your next favorite game for a while. So I don't think that's terribly significant.

That said, I definitely think there are some people that simply don't care about the added 20 minute wait and for that reason I do think it should advance past low priority queue to bans at some point. I'm not sure how common that type of player is though. So I am not sure how much of an issue that really is.

Mama Soraka1 votes

There really is no perfect solution. And on top of that we the players have no way to know if any punishment was actually given except in the extreme case (permanent suspension) the player would no longer be active on that account which is visible through monitoring their ranked play. This leads to the feeling that reporting isn't doing anything, a stance I am firmly against given the number of times I've received the instant feedback after reporting genuinely awful players.

I think this thread, and many like it are a result of not understanding how the system works and what punishments are available to help bad players reform rather than that all too coveted permanent ban.

Mama Soraka1 votes

That is correct and I have addressed this point in a response to Stunter below, if you care to read it.

Bottom Laner1 votes

Well excuse me for playing TahmKench support then.

DJColdCutz4 votes

Cmon guys give rito the benefit of the doubt. This guy might just be having a bad game. And really, if he gets punished for trolling, his feelings might get hurt, so we should give him a pass and check those games to see if anyone said anything bad about him and punish them instead.

Jk, jk, I'm sure if you get enough upvotes someone from rito will come in and say "aktuallee i checked and this guy has "already" been given a chat restriction, so see? our system works after 7+ ruined ranked games, and you're complaining over nothing!"

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

The punishment for leaving is a wait timer so showing his match history with a bunch of leaves doesn't say anything about him being punished or not. I have no doubt he is in low priority queue after that many leaves. What this does demonstrate though is a need for leaver punishments to go beyond low priority queue at some point since some people simply don't care about the wait.

Mama Soraka1 votes

I'm going to search around a bit because I don't have facts to back it up but I'm fairly positive leaverbuster escalates after each instance and in ranked escalation is increased after a pattern of habitual leaving/afk is established. I would hope that would result in quicker suspensions, but I don't know for sure.

Again, I don't have sources for this but I can at least say with certainty that I was told Ranked Queues have a stricter escalation path.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

The punishments do escalate and escalate quicker for ranked leaves. But it caps at 20 minutes. As far as I know it never escalates to a ban anymore. I haven't heard of a ban for leaving in years.

Mama Soraka1 votes

If that is the case this is a bigger issue than I initially thought. Maybe if they are reported for leaving/afk enough it will trigger the review process and a manual ban? I dunno, frankly we aren't given quite as much information about how this whole thing works as I would desire.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

I would think a manual review of this case would land the person banned for griefing(assuming everything listed is actually what happened). They are threatening and following through. That is how I view it, as griefing, not really AFK.

Rebel 9862 votes

U left names in post chat lol

BEEP84hc581 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rebel 986,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jIduaaTV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-14T16:27:51.802+0000)

U left names in post chat lol

Ooops...but the AFKer didnt chat after the match, so no name shaming here

Shinji lkari2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rebel 986,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jIduaaTV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-14T16:27:51.802+0000)

U left names in post chat lol

Hahah Riot will probably remove this post because they'd rather not have a "witchhunt" aka things that never happen because a witchhunt would be justice, and the guy will go unpunished.

BEEP84hc582 votes

[{quoted}](name=Laevus Levus,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jIduaaTV,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-03-14T17:14:32.471+0000)

Hahah Riot will probably remove this post because they'd rather not have a "witchhunt" aka things that never happen because a witchhunt would be justice, and the guy will go unpunished.

That's a shame....they are presented with solid proof of a toxic troll ,and are willing to neglect to do anything about it....sends a strong message about their priorities

Kaitri2 votes

leavebuster is dealing with this guy. he gets a really hard punishement... 20min wait time for 5 games [slayer-jinx-wink] [slayer-jinx-wink] [slayer-jinx-wink] [slayer-jinx-wink] [slayer-jinx-wink] ik leavebuster is really hardcore punishement

BEEP84hc581 votes

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leavebuster is dealing with this guy. he gets a really hard punishement... 20min wait time for 5 games ik leavebuster is really hardcore punishement

I doubt it...he stayed in the game the entire time and just moved every minute or two...I dont think Leavebuster would detect that type of AFKer

Kaitri2 votes

well riot said leavebuster does. it also detects when you run in circles whole time.

still me saying "hardcore punishement" is sarcastic because 20min is a fucking joke i watch a lets play or a stream in that time. its just no punishement.

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

As long as we hasn't being what Riot considers "toxic" in chat, he won't actually be banned. Leaverbuster does not ban people, just gives low priority ques.

Left Hook Larry2 votes

As long as he didn't say "ggez" or some other toxic thing I don't see him being worthy of being punished

Gimpy891 votes

obviously an account used for boosting.

Catastrop1 votes

We can still see his name in the match history.

MasterSomething1 votes

You do know how hard trolling is to catch, correct? This system cannot detect new methods of AFK or trolling quickly. If we were to put this up to actual people reviewing, the orders would be backlogged.

Nautricity1 votes

According to that Match History he mains hard troll and feed.

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