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Issues with bronze league

waylonse··1 votes·1,211 views

I recently got a chat restriction because I got pretty irritated and went off on some people. I said some pretty mean things in the moment, however I still dont understand how these people who continuously manage to play with such negative scores and literally fight their own team and refuse to do anything strategic or helpful or even that makes sense don't recieve any negative repercussions. I am not the greatest player but when I can get 4 other people that dont feed 3-5 kills in 10 minutes I can generally win the match. So i got mad and yeah toxic means you lose, but when the last player on your team instalocks yasuo and you need a support, or you have a leesin diving lanes for ganks at 10% every time and dying what else do you do? I am frustrated at being punished for trying to vent at some really choice examples of bad players.

TLDR, my question is why isnt there a sandbox league for people who just cannot do anything close to actually play league intelligently?

13 Comments

alasarcher5 votes

Because being bad is part of the game. It cant be against rules. Their negative repercussion is being in bronze. Thats how ladder system works, Whats the point of giving other punishment? Being in bronze is enough punishment.

If you want punishments for being bad, how would u punish yourself?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2023167006/34487806?tab=overview http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2023051453/34487806?tab=overview http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2019453912/34487806?tab=overview http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2002725461/34487806?tab=overview

waylonse1 votes

You can cherry pick my history all you want but when I start a match and someone on the enemy team is fed in 10 minutes and steamrolling all 3 lanes its hard to not go negative.

Edit to answer your question, the people who play like the cherry picked matches you chose should end up in a league below bronze where they can troll each other without interfering with people who play ranked to have a serious match. Maybe make them play a number of regular games before they play ranked. Maybe make it so you need to have a champion at level 2 before you can use it in ranked. Maybe when you are incredibly negative you should get a wait timer after your match (because people who go super negative go into another match toxic often).

shyv3 votes

if there was a league below bronze, you would probably be in it too

waylonse1 votes

I like how both responses are the ingame equivalent or responding "no you're bad".

Considering That "Trying Too Hard" is trying not to get banned for the same things, maybe you shouldn't be talking buddy. Go scream at your computer screen or something.

I didnt post this for more people to argue with like cavemen, I wanted legitimate feedback. Maybe change something so these trolls can legitimately get dealt with.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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I like how both responses are the ingame equivalent or responding "no you're bad".

Considering That "Trying Too Hard" is trying not to get banned for the same things, maybe you shouldn't be talking buddy. Go scream at your computer screen or something.

I didnt post this for more people to argue with like cavemen, I wanted legitimate feedback. Maybe change something so these trolls can legitimately get dealt with.

Maybe this is a fair response to Trying too hard, but Alasarcher was spot on.

Yes, he cherry picked the games where you did bad. That is the point, everyone has bad games. You are judging people based on the 1 game you played with them. The reality is you earned the same rank and have the same bad games as the people that you think should be punished for how bad they are.

waylonse1 votes

So you honestly think that when someone plays support and steals cs for the entire lane phase from the adc, you think hes just having a bad game, even after we try to correct him?

Or the jungler with the lowest cs on the team at 40 minutes into a game building cinderhulk on udyr when we needed him to go dmg and he said nothing the entire game and didnt help lane or team ever?

Or the adc that builds a tank build and cant carry herself let alone anyone else and still manages to feed?

These are the people I want to deal with

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

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So you honestly think that when someone plays support and steals cs for the entire lane phase from the adc, you think hes just having a bad game, even after we try to correct him?

Or the jungler with the lowest cs on the team at 40 minutes into a game building cinderhulk on udyr when we needed him to go dmg and he said nothing the entire game and didnt help lane or team ever?

Or the adc that builds a tank build and cant carry herself let alone anyone else and still manages to feed?

These are the people I want to deal with

In bronze, yes. I absolutely think those people are often just bad. You do not just get stuck in bronze, you have to fall there, you start near the bottom of silver.

What you should really be considering is what you are doing that is so bad that you are the same rank as people doing those things. Behaviors that lead to punishments are often detrimental to your chances of winning so that is probably a good place to start.

OhBoyItsaMegaman1 votes

The people who you play with are just as good as you are.

If it seems like they are worse, it is because they are worse than you at the things you're good at. But at the same time, they are better than you at things you don't even think about.

There are levels below Bronze. MMR doesn't have a bottom; it just keeps going down and down. I've seen games where people have an estimated MMR of less than 100. If we took the worst player on your team from one of your recent games, and put them on a 100 MMR account, you know what would happen? They would dominate. Almost every game would be an easy win, regardless of how their teammates did. Then as they rose up to around the normal bottom of Bronze V MMR, wins would be frequent, but not nearly guaranteed. Then around the top of Bronze V MMR, they would be winning a little more often than they lose. Then as they got back to Bronze IV MMR, they'd be back to 50/50 wins.

The reason that they belong in games with you is because that's where they win 50% of their games, and it's the same place that you win 50% of your games. Therefore it's the place where both they and you belong (for now).

waylonse1 votes

I have been up and down the bracket in bronze and no, I dont feel I am where I should be, I have duoed with a friend and rocketed straight up to silver no problem, but the scum of the bucket of bronze make it impossible to climb solo. Why can these players make the game so bad at the lowers levels with no repercussions?

How can it be okay for someone to not communicate or work with the team in any way

How can it be okay to tilt a game so hard that it is impossible for you to make up for it.

How can someone instalock yasuo as a support as 5th pick and ruin an entire game straight from the champ select and not get at least a temp ban?

And sure, I flame people who do those things, they deserve some hate, they are ruining 9 other people's game (assuming they are the only one)

OhBoyItsaMegaman1 votes

Up and down the bracket in what sense?

  1. Stuck in Bronze IV with 50% win rate.
  2. Duo with a friend, win rate goes over 50%, climb to Silver.
  3. Solo again, win rate goes under 50%, fall to Bronze IV.
  4. Stuck in Bronze IV with 50% win rate.

If this is the way it happened, it perfectly supports what I was just saying: people who are at their correct MMR will have approximately a 50% win rate, while people at the wrong MMR will win or lose a lot until they approach their appropriate MMR.

I hesitate to mention it because I don't want it to seem like I'm picking on you, but there is even more evidence in your history. Over the past few days you duoed with someone who is currently unranked with high MMR. You played 8 games with him. In each game, every player except for you two is around Silver 2–3 or Gold V at most. Every single one of the games is a loss.

If you really belong in Silver, and if not having a duo partner is what makes climbing out of Bronze impossible, why did you perform so poorly in all these games? Are you really trying to convince yourself that you got unlucky 8 times in a row even when the odds should have been in your favor with a duo partner? Is that really the easier explanation to swallow, instead of the obvious one? You are not cut out to hang with Silver players. Maybe your cs is good enough, maybe it isn't. Maybe your mechanics are good enough, maybe they aren't. Maybe your game knowledge is good enough, maybe it isn't. But when you put it ALL together, your total skill level is too low.

And when you look around at other people at your MMR, they have the same total skill level but you can't see it. That guy whose communication is awful? You can't see that his pressure game is great because you've never heard of pressure. That guy who tilts hard and throws the team off? You can't see that his ability to zone in lane is so great that he always wins lane unless things go bad, and those are the only games where he doesn't know what to do so he tilts.

If you are interested in finding out what you are doing wrong and could do better, there's a whole section of the boards for that. There's 100 streams and 10000 YouTube channels for it. The whole goddamn internet is waiting to help you get better at League, and you're too preoccupied saying "Mmmmmmnnnehhhhhhhhhhh, he picked Yasuo support!" to accept that help.

Tract1 votes

I got placed into bronze V at the start of season 5 and climbed to gold V with pretty nuch just my precious Azir . In ANY RANK I went up a lot faster when I never flamed,EVER. Even if they do bad at first, give nothing but support, and you will find that often, your team makes a comeback.

Maximum Morde1 votes

But they do suffer repercussions, they get stuck in bronze.

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