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I was permanently suspended and I genuinely feel I do not deserve it

Yurii Zhivago··3 votes·1,462 views

I just spent the last three games getting brutally harassed and verbally abused by the same guy in low level normals. He harassed me the entire game, every game, talking trash, being rude, and getting others to do so as well. He would spam "report X" (depending on what champion I played - he was Yi in every game), and told everyone how toxic I was. Though I responded to him, it was always FAR more measured than what he directed at me. However, his pleas to report me apparently worked - after the last game, I was informed I was permanently suspended.

Now, I don't have a sterling record. But my behavior is mostly along the lines of complaining, rather than raging or griefing. I've been trying to reform it, but players like this push me over the edge. The chat log I was cited as being evidence of my "negative" behavior shows me constantly asking people why they're being so nasty, and finally asking for reports for verbal abuse at the end. Obviously the story would be in the regular chat log, but they just give me my side.

Why is it that this guy can get away with being incredibly verbally abusive, and the reports he gets people to issue against me cost me my account and the thirty dollars I've put into it? That really doesn't seem fair to me. Would love to get an explanation beyond a token form email.

30 Comments

disregardable7 votes

Everyone is equally subject to the rules. If the guy consistently causes problems, he will also get a ban. If someone wants to argue or insult you, you should always mute and stop responding.

Reaper Review3 votes

Have you ever heard the saying "actions speak louder than words"?

If you want to shut someone up, play the game and outperform them. In the end, you'll have made them look foolish without a single word.

Catlinite3 votes

You cuss, you attack players for their performance, you falsely accuse other of cheating.... If all your other games go like this one, permaban shouldn't be that big of a surprise.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Read the TOS!

J E B A ł T E D2 votes

You can genuinely feel that you don't deserve it but that doesn't change the fact that you got a permanent ban for a good reason. You harassed a bunch of people in game and it hardly matters whether or not they started it. In fact, that piece doesn't matter one bit. The only person that acts as a factor in your ban is you.

Yurii Zhivago1 votes

That's absurd. I had three people harassing me the entire game. You're drawing conclusions based entirely on my responses, devoid of any context. Seems to me that you just like feeling good about yourself.

Sarutobi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yurii Zhivago,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hHUeBart,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-04-10T05:35:56.227+0000)

That's absurd. I had three people harassing me the entire game. You're drawing conclusions based entirely on my responses, devoid of any context. Seems to me that you just like feeling good about yourself.

Because the context is unneeded. You still called someone garbage, you still threaten to AFK, you still were toxic in chat. Doing the whole "Well they started it first" is just a childish excuse. It never worked back then and it sure as hell doesnt work now. You still wrote what you wrote. Being toxic towards someone who ruin your games makes you just as bad as them.You are also ruining it for the other people on your team and the enemy team (if you are typing in all chat) Its not defending yourself when you stoop to their level of toxic behavior.

Yurii Zhivago2 votes

Outside of the bubble of League where you're soft and warm and protected, rolling over like a kicked dog is actually a very bad way of responding to hostility. Show some backbone. Quite frankly, I don't want to be treated like shit by my inferiors.

Only in your world of kissing Riot's ass is getting driven off by a flurry of insults and hostility the bannable offense of "threatening to AFK". Whatever. Keep kissing up to your overlords - maybe they'll deign to toss you a ward skin or something to reward you debasing yourself as their lapdog.

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

It doesn't sound like you're a good fit for this community. There are Terms of Use which you've agreed to follow, and they include not being toxic, even in retaliation; just because someone else started it doesn't make it ok for you to join in.

It's not hard to follow these rules and just mute and report toxic players, but if you don't want to follow them you don't have to click "I Accept" to the terms.

Yurii Zhivago2 votes

I can agree with that. There's no middle ground between toxic preteen trolls and sanctimonious circle jerkers. When the best members of your community are the ones who are silent, that's a damning statement on the quality of the people playing.

You leave the toxic players alone, and punish those who respond. You reward those too terrified to stand up for themselves. Added to that the atrocious state of the game, with every match simply a competition to see who can load up their team with more Fizzes, Rivens, and Yis, and...well, this game just isn't fun. I come out of every match, even the ones I win, feeling worse than I did when I started. The only reason I kept playing was because I had already wasted money on it, so I felt obligated to make it worth it. At least now I'm free from these awful people. I suppose that may be worth Riot stealing my money after all.

TrulyBland4 votes

When the best members of your community are the ones who are silent, that's a damning statement on the quality of the people playing.

No, the best members of the community aren't the ones who are silent... they're those who know when the sensible thing to do is be silent; or at least those who don't let themeslves be dragged into the equivalent of a poo-flinging contest.

You leave the toxic players alone

Not true.

and punish those who respond.

Not true either. It depends on how you respond.

You reward those too terrified to stand up for themselves.

Both, implicitely and explcitely wrong. Not everybody who doesn't retaliate is "too terrified to stand up for themselves", and nobody is actually getting rewarded for anything. Unless you mean rewarded with a better community, then you are correct.

In all honesty... you're in denial. That's fine, it's human nature... But literally nothing you said in regards to the community or the punishment system of LoL is true.

Yurii Zhivago1 votes

The punishment system in League is horrible. It's indiscriminate and dysfunctional. The guy I mentioned who had brutally harassed me for three games straight is still playing, and I was banned simply for responding to him.

Note: The example of the chatlog in here is the ONE they provided me, and probably the worst one I had. If you had seen the chat log of the game that actually generated the report that got me banned...well, it'd be hilarious. But Riot won't provide that, of course. They don't want anyone questioning the veracity of their wonderful system, because then they'd have to work to fix it. And why fix it when you have mindless sycophants like you ready to bend over and spread for whatever Riot wants to do to you? Riot's ideal customer is passive, weak, and too pathetic to demand any changes to a broken system and a broken game.

o Maui o2 votes

Or you've established a consistent pattern of negative behavior, and Riot doesn't want that in their games.

The other guy who was also jerk was either 1) not reported for his behavior, 2) not as consistently toxic as you, or 3) on a lower tier of punishment. If he continues to be a jerk, gets reported for it and refuses to change his behavior, he will eventually wind up with a permanent ban of his own.

Lastly, although it's been pointed out before, you weren't banned simply for responding to him. You were banned for attacking and verbally abusing him. Imagine if the same situation happened in a grocery store, and you repeatedly got into verbal altercations with other customers. It doesn't matter if the other person started it every time--eventually, the manager would ask you to never come back, because you are part of a pattern that is disruptive to all the people who just want to buy some damn groceries in peace.

TrulyBland3 votes

Except that people agree with Riot's way of dealing with retaliation. There's nothing to fix about the system outside of making sure people like the guy who harassed you get caught as well. Chances are he got chat restricted instead of banned because it was his first offense... or maybe he even only recently started to "snap" and has otherwise a fairly clean record and thus wasn't "caught" yet. Or maybe you've just reported falsely so often that your reports don't mean anything anymore.

In the end it doesn't even matter (no Linkin Park reference intended), because you are punished for what you did. And if others get away with possibly worse things that's bad, and needs to be fixed, but it does not make your punishment any less just.

TrulyBland1 votes

I've never in the entire history of the games I played (not only league of legends) ever seen somebody go "Oh wow, you really told me... I better shut up now, before you burn me again like that". Scratch that, I've seen it, but only ever uttered in a sarcastic manner.

So what does that tell us? Instead of "rolling over like a kicked dog that covers itself in an inpenetrable armor that is bound to completely protect that kicked dog from any further kicks" (took the liberty of adjusting the analogy a bit to fit the situation a bit better), you prefer to bark. A lot. And loudly.

Which of the two do you believe is more likely to solve the problem?

Yurii Zhivago1 votes

Neither solves the problem. They'll still report you, you'll still get banned. It's a great system.

TrulyBland4 votes

No, you won't. If you don't do anything punish-worthy you won't be punished, it's quite simply really.

Hence why people are telling you to just mute, report and move on.

If you do that:

  • You won't be punished.
  • They are likely to be punished.
  • You don't have to listen to their shit anymore.

Sounds to me like a perfect solution.

Kei1433 votes

see, this is where you have a misunderstanding of the system.

when you get reported, the system validates that report for negativity / toxic behavior. if you didn't do / say anything wrong, that report gets thrown out.

it is because of misunderstandings like this that people rage and become negativte and get the need to "defend" themselves. Hence the report get validated, and he'll get dinged by the system. which is also why asking others to report another is considered harassment.

EDIT: i just read your chatlogs. you are indeed negative and probably weren't banned for just repsonding against someone asking for reports.

J E B A ł T E D1 votes

i'm telling you what the rules are, the only conclusion i'm drawing is the determined relaying of facts and information to you, if you think that is false in some way, then prove me wrong. Countless examples and messages from rioters before have confirmed exactly what I said.

Leave the game or create a new account, I've had to do it 3 times and I hardly complained.

Refer to what Deep Terror Nami said. If you're going to complain about the set in stone rules then you aren't fit to be here.

CatFootLucky1 votes

why are you complaining on the forums, go get a ticket and email riot about it.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201898070

Sukishoo5 votes

Cause it's all the people that "aren't" guilty love to do.

Kãtãrinã1 votes

Post your chat logs and we can see how toxic you wwere in responsce. Honestly if you muted him that would be the end of it and you would have 0 responced to him and 0 way of being banned. Literally because you responded is probably why he kept it up also. Sorry people like this exist but your responce was probably bad. If you have had a 2 week ban before this, any sort of infraction can result in a perma until the tier of punishment demotes which takes over 6 months or so.

Yurii Zhivago2 votes

Here's my log: starts off swearing (in ally chat) at the Amumu on the other team, where he couldn't hear. That was the only thing I said that was not reactive. The rest is in response to my allies blaming me for everything that went wrong, flaming me incessantly, and just generally driving me crazy. No, I'm not proud of it, but I do not think that reacting to four people harassing you for twenty minutes is grounds for a permanent ban.

too low zzz fuck fucking amumu fuck that fucking tutorial garbage wtf are you doing welp liss has pretty much fed riven beyond anything we can stop 4 kills in 7 minutes 17 cs If you can't beat riven as lissandra why are you playing lissandra? That's something people would use to counter riven I can't bait her shield she won't use it until the instant I E either she's insanely good at it, or she's scripting You've been harassing me the entire game and I'mt alking back ugh incoming blame game You fail, so you both gang up on me only reason i had to play an irelia mid was because liss derped an ap top Dude You are absolutely scripting that shield This is absurd please report lissandra Brutal verbal abuse this entire game How? Are you serious? When? What did I say to start it, leblanc? You guys should see these chat logs Holy shit My entire team is verbally abusing like crazy WHEN WHAT What are you talking about?! She started bitching at me Because she gave her three kills in five minutes and was bitching at ME for it! lol "half" Alright I'm going to afk, I don't play this game to be verbally abused like this. This is unbelievable. Literally never seen anything like this. I'm guessing the chat ban is preventing them from saying anything, hmm? Lissandra is the worst Followed by kindred And then leblanc But all of them have been worse than anything I've ever seen. I honestly never ask for reports, but this is really bad. Dude Five minutse ago minutes You made fun of me For building TANK After losing lane

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

too low zzz fuck fucking amumu fuck that fucking tutorial garbage wtf are you doing welp liss has pretty much fed riven beyond anything we can stop 4 kills in 7 minutes 17 cs If you can't beat riven as lissandra why are you playing lissandra? That's something people would use to counter riven I can't bait her shield she won't use it until the instant I E either she's insanely good at it, or she's scripting You've been harassing me the entire game and I'mt alking back ugh incoming blame game You fail, so you both gang up on me only reason i had to play an irelia mid was because liss derped an ap top Dude You are absolutely scripting that shield This is absurd please report lissandra Brutal verbal abuse this entire game How? Are you serious? When? What did I say to start it, leblanc? You guys should see these chat logs (insert Nelson Muntz's laughing gif) Holy shit My entire team is verbally abusing like crazy WHEN WHAT What are you talking about?! She started bitching at me Because she gave her three kills in five minutes and was bitching at ME for it! lol "half" Alright I'm going to afk, I don't play this game to be verbally abused like this. This is unbelievable. Literally never seen anything like this. I'm guessing the chat ban is preventing them from saying anything, hmm? Lissandra is the worst Followed by kindred And then leblanc But all of them have been worse than anything I've ever seen. I honestly never ask for reports, but this is really bad. Dude Five minutse ago minutes You made fun of me For building TANK After losing lane

You refuse to mute people & preferred to talk shit back, you asks for reports on other players, claiming they're "scripting", blaming players back & forth. Why in the world did you seriously think this doesn't warrant you a permaban?

Yurii Zhivago2 votes

Why defend myself when I'm being verbally abused, and why ask people to report those who are verbally abusing me?

Why do you seriously think this warrants a permaban - other than you liking it all the way up there on your high horse?

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Why defend myself when I'm being verbally abused,

Defending yourself by talking more crap back instead of muting is the worst way possible.

and why ask people to report those who are verbally abusing me?

9 people reporting this one guy is nothing different to 1 people reporting, so asking others to report for you is useless, and is asking for nothing more than pointing more fingers.

Why do you seriously think this warrants a permaban - other than you liking it all the way up there on your high horse?

Look at my previous comment, then you know why. At least me following my own morale got me to avoid at least a single chat restriction, unlike someone like you who got permabanned.

Yurii Zhivago2 votes

You're parading around your superior "morale" (did you mean morals? I'm not even sure from the context - neither makes much sense) at 2 AM on a League of Legends message board. Get over yourself. It's the insufferable sycophants like you that are the real problem. Fortunately (for the rest of us, not you), they never rise very high in life. But hey, at least you won't be chat banned on a video game - some consolation, perhaps.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Not everyone in LoL lives at your neighbouring hood, as my side is only at 1pm.

The fact about me following what I know best about not being toxic & stuff like you do to prevent getting myself punished still stands. So I have no idea why do you even argue your own mistakes on others for.

Shainil The Boss1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yurii Zhivago,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hHUeBart,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-10T05:24:44.635+0000)

Why defend myself when I'm being verbally abused, and why ask people to report those who are verbally abusing me?

Why do you seriously think this warrants a permaban - other than you liking it all the way up there on your high horse?

BRo i was bullied 1v7 and riot perma baned me they know nothing just a bad sysytem!

Sarutobi1 votes

First things first, You arent permaban for this one game. Its because you are continuously toxic in your game, and judging by your chatlogs it seems fit of a punishment. Seeing as how this is the last tier of punishment i would assume you also gotten a 14 day ban, as well as Chat Restriction? Especially since you are of a lower level (under 30) the system is pretty strict because its suppose to prevent people from making new accounts and continuing their toxic behavior. But back to the topic at hand You constantly call your teammates garbage, fishing for reports, and threatening to AFK, all of which are against the ToS/Summoners Code. You fail to follow the rules which is a result in your account being ban. It just so happen that you reach the final tier of punishment which is the permaban because you fail to see the errors of your way with your toxic behavior.

SpankMyPhatAshe1 votes

your only lvl 22 just make a new account and don't repeat you're toxic attitude.

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