Why is the League community so against toxicity? Lets consider the benefits of toxic banter.
League of Legends is only fun if you are winning. Losing is not fun. Losing teams can entertain each other via toxicity. Losing in silence is much more frustrating than toxicity - Hell, I find toxic players to be funny 1/2 of the time. Toxic banter takes your mind off the loss.
"Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser" - Cam Newton
MissingKayo3 votesno
SchmidttyGames2 votesThat quote is why Cam Newton is a loser. You can lose with grace and class. I would rather compliment my enemies on a match well fought than open up an unnecessary can of verbal whoop ass on people who just want to enjoy a game. If you can only have fun by "winning", then perhaps competition isn't the right thing for you.
linhttn1 votesBut Riot agrees with me according to the video they uploaded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCG5WCWxWqA
"It's about winning. I cannot lose, I cannot lose. I must win"
SchmidttyGames2 votesWanting to win is different than not winning and being a dick. Nothing in your post suggests that they are okay with the idea that you have the right to be toxic scum because you don't won win.
linhttn1 votesoh I agree! I have actually never had a player behavior card or even a warning. I actually just like reading all the toxic shit in game - it makes me laugh. Once I know we are already losing - I love reading the toxic players. Its like a comedy. I think we need to lighten up on them - and start to see the benefits of their toxicity.
swordofsun2 votesYou can have banter without being toxic. I see that all the time and it's fine and fun.
linhttn1 votesan example?
swordofsun1 votesPoro King game - two Blitzs called out each other's missed Qs every time. It was hilarious. Especially when they were trying to grab each other.
linhttn1 votesHow old are you ... if you dont mind me asking?
swordofsun1 votesProbably older than you based on a pole I saw of the average board user age. We'll leave it at that.
linhttn1 votesProbably older than you based on a pole I saw of the average board user age. We'll leave it at that.
Im 30. Are you older or younger?
swordofsun2 votesOlder.
Boompenguins1 votesWhen you think that getting insulted multiple times by multiple people nonstop after you already know that you messed up, which just makes the problem worse, "takes your mind off the loss" instead of making you think about it more. i.e. Blitzcrank misses hook Vayne: WTF blitz ur so shit, havent landed a single hook this game, uninstall, kys. blitzcrank; sorry im trying. Yasuo: Trying isnt good enough, go kys. blitz misses another hook. yasuo has left the game vayne has left the game
you think this takes your mind off the loss?
Ýisus1 votesI would say you just answered Vayne wrong.
Instead of acting like a Eunuch - You should have answered like this:
Hey Vayne - Get in front of me and I will Donkey Punch this metal fist so far up your ass that I can tickle your mother fucking tonsils you fucking scrub.
Yasuo: LMAO
Vayne: (Crickets)
Blitz: Feels good about himself for putting a scrub back in her place.
The Whamboozler2 votesYeah... um... somehow I doubt that the toxic vayne will quietly accept being "put in her place" and everyone will laugh. PRETTY sure she'll just stop playing at all to flame you more.
Also PRETTY sure that many games that could be won and turned around never get the chance because of some bullshit like this. So what if the game is still winnable (and in low elo where a lot of the ragers and trolls are they usually still are) and some toxic little monkey tosses out some shit like that. So you respond and provoke either flaming, feeding or an afk. Good job. Now the game is definitely lost and the people on your team who wanted to try and win over "meh, fuck it let's just provoke the trolls and laugh" are in for a miserable time. A long time if she does what a LOT of trolls do and purposes stalls out the game as long as possible while also kneecapping your ability to win it.
What you're doing is just as selfish and douchey as the rager, because you are deciding for everyone when you feel it's okay to stop trying and just piss on your teammates. This is the exact same thing the vayne is doing. You just think that because you're in the right because you WANT to be. And ya know what? So does that Vayne. In her stupid, toxic head... she thinks SHE is trying to win and YOU are sabotaging her with your bad play or trolling or whatever she thinks you're doing. And by saying "meh, fuck it. I'm just gonna tilt her all game and stop trying" she is now absolutely right.
This mentality of yours is stupid, selfish, massively immature and the cause of just as much toxic behavior as raging is... because you are actively provoking people and working to make the game a more toxic one. Hell, the tilted Vayne is even more forgivable, since she's TRYING to win and probably just having a shitty day or a bad run of games lately. You are just being an asshole to ruin games for the sake of your own lulz. That is called a TROLL my friend. You are a troll. You are a huge part of what is wrong with league.
Ýisus1 votesHey ... Vayne made that decision not me! But I am definitely not going to tuck my dick inbetween my legs and say "sorry ... I missed a skill shot.... Please oh Please dont flame me for missing a skill shot .... :( Im a weak wristed millennial - Please dont yell at me Dad... Please dont Yell at me again :("
Fuck that - Im gonna tell that Vayne to fuck off in the funniest way possible.
Could be different age groups? Could be different personality types? Who knows, I was always taught ... If someone starts something - finish it.
The Whamboozler1 votesOr ya know... you could just mute her ass, not foster even MORE toxic bullcrap in the game, report her post-game and not stoop to her level. You're not "defending yourself"... you're just mad that someone's throwing shit, so you crawled down into the shit yourself with her to have a shit fight. You might think you "won" but to everyone else, you're BOTH covering in shit and you both reek.
But I guess not being an ass is too "mature for your age group".
Ýisus1 votes[{quoted}](name=Our Troops,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fNzybQNn,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-30T02:58:10.439+0000)
Or ya know... you could just mute her ass, not foster even MORE toxic bullcrap in the game, report her post-game and not stoop to her level. You're not "defending yourself"... you're just mad that someone's throwing shit, so you crawled down into the shit yourself with her to have a shit fight. You might think you "won" but to everyone else, you're BOTH covering in shit and you both reek.
But I guess not being an ass is too "mature for your age group".
See ... back in my day we didn't call that mature, we called it a pussy. The new generation is much more mature than my generation is. Then again ... The new generation also likes skinny jeans and whip cream on their coffee ... I mean latte**
The Whamboozler2 votesA: I don't like either of those things.
B: There is a very strong chance that I am older than you.
"Don't stoop to their level" isn't new. Back in the "old days" people didn't immediately start fights any time someone did something rude or prickish. In fact... back in the day the internet wasn't even a thing, so these "old days" rules you're speaking of only applied to real life. A pissed of teenager raging over the chat isn't the same as a pushy drunk trying to pick a fight with you irl. You're not a macho man to start a pissing match with some kid online because he's being a twat over a lousy game that doesn't matter. You're just being as immature as he is. If you are ANY kind of mature man or woman than arguing with some dumbass online is a pointless waste of your time. You will not "teach them a lession". You will not stop their shitty behavior. You will not make the game better for your non-toxic teammates. You're just part of the problem once you start acting like the immature whining child you keep claiming to be better than.
And I'm sure talking to you is equally pointless because nothing will change your mind if you've decided how you wanna act. It's REAL easy to justify your own actions to yourself as right. Everyone else deserves anything you say to them and you always have a "good reason" for acting like a jerk or a troll or just a rude bastard. But it's all excuses... and that toxic guy you're "defending yourself" from.... yeah... he thinks he's justified too. And no amount of scathing comeback will make him think otherwise. In fact, it will probably either confirm to him that you "deserve" him being rude to you, or it will just piss him off enough to make him rage more. There is almost NO chance that he calmly accepts he has been a jerk and changes his ways, thanking you for showing him the light with your cutting insults about his mother and his sexual orientation. If you think this is the case, you're deluded and immature yourself.
Sorry man but you are WRONG. And people like you are just as much if not MORE a part of the problem with toxicity in league as people like the rager you're "putting in his place."
Ýisus1 votesYou may be older than I, I have no idea. You would need to be 30+ to be older than I am.
Just in the same way that being toxic solves nothing ... so does non-toxicity. Being silent will not stop their shitty game play. In all but 1 circumstance, feeding (intentional or unintentional) occurred before the toxic behavior.
For me, personally, what ruins a game is feeding (intentional or unintentional - the result is the same) ... There is no fun in losing. When you look at League... the game itself is not fun. Winning is what is fun. Killing minions / killing towers is not "fun" - if it was, people would play AI games more frequently.
Moreover, I think you massively misunderstand. I am not interested in "fixing" or helping people to "fix" themselves. Trying to fix someone else is a waste of time.
Also, I wouldn't say it is "justification" on my side - Because I do not think toxicity is overly "bad". Toxicity is the norm for online video gaming. Really, toxicity is the norm of any online experience that allows for communication between participants. If League wants to get rid of toxicity - remove the chat.
The Whamboozler1 votesI'm 31... so I am older than you... not that it really matters.
And you're still making excuses. Now yours is "well games are always full of toxic crap, so it's not MY fault". Yes... yes it is. Your attitude is part of the problem. You're just shifting blame AGAIN to make it sound like you acting out or being a jerk to people is a good thing or even no big deal. People feeling this way is WHY the game is so freaking toxic. You're still in the wrong.
And I don't think you're dumb. I think you understand what I am saying PERFECTLY well and you are just choosing to deny being part of the problem because you don't actually care. Not about toxicity in the game, at least. It takes MORE effort to blast back at a rager in chat than to simply push tab and mute them... but you WANT to do it. Either you've got a temper and can't get over someone being a jerk in chat unless you respond or you just plain like having "an excuse" to start insulting and lashing out at people. Hey, I got a temper too... I get peeved at the sheet level of obnoxious bullcrap that people come out with in this game. It's why I rarely play anymore. Between tilted people screaming at each other, trolls and griefers intentionally trying to tilt people and people like you and I who feel the need to snap back when confronted with the first two... I think I can count the number of non-toxic games I've played in the last few months on one hand.
I'm telling you this because it's true. Your attitude is just as much a part of the problem as anything else. ANY time you say to yourself that it's acceptable to start arguing or insulting someone or just plain being offensive or obnoxious... you are making the game more awful for everyone. Your motives don't matter... they're wrong. You're not helping anyone by jumping in to start flaming a rager when they start going off. You're just doubling the number of people in the game who are being obnoxious by adding in yourself.
I do not care what excuses you pull out of you ass THIS time to justify it. It's not "weak" or "being a pussy" to be above arguing with some 15 year old over the internet. It's not "acceptable" if they started it. It's not okay because "Hey, the game is already super toxic". Those are all just excuses you tell yourself to avoid feeling like part of the problem. To put yourself above all the OTHER people acting just like you are. And yeah... a lot of those trolls and ragers feel just as justified as you feel you are... And that's why this game is a cesspool.
But here is the real rub... How long have we been arguing about this? We've gone back and forth for what... six posts? More? Over several days, in fact. Have I changed your mind? I doubt it. You've certainly not changed mine. And odds are, neither of us ever will. All we've done is waste our time and flood this board with ranting. At least here, we're very easy to ignore. In the game, your team is stuck hearing you unless they mute you as well... and they're TRYING to play the game in which they probably need your help while you're busy ranting and snaping at someone to "prove a point" or just to tilt them.
That's really... all I have to say. Deny it all you like my friend but you are as much if not MORE part of the toxicity problem in the game as our dear raging friend whom you're fighting with... and if you don't realize this after everything I've said here, you're either determined to stay deluded, or you're just plain thick. Either way, it's not really worth talking to you anymore.
Yolanter1 votesChrist dude 31 yet still playing league, browsing through forums, and typing 6 paragraph comments to a probably 15 year old. Get a life like hot damn.
The Whamboozler1 votesStooping to personal attacks just kinda proves to me that you have utterly nothing else to try and hide behind in this argument. You may as well have said "Well you're a dumb!".
So thanks for making that clear. It's pretty obvious that ONE of us needs to grow the hell up.
Edit: Correction... you're not even the same guy I was talking to. You're just some random dude who rolls the forums to drop his two cents into discussions that you weren't even a part of? And you didn't add a damned thing constructive, just a personal insult directed to someone you don't know for NO reason?
Man... that's even sadder than when I thought it was the guy I was arguing with. I'll say it again, because now it feels even MORE true. Grow the hell up.
Yolanter1 voteslmao kid fite me
Ýisus1 votesAh ... See you never read my post ... As stated previously .... I DO NOT SEE TOXICITY AS A PROBLEM. I SEE IT AS A REACTION FROM SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY WANTS TO WIN ... WHEN 1 OR 2 PEOPLE ARE THROWING.
"I think I can count the number of non-toxic games I've played in the last few months on one hand." - This is because online gaming is toxic and has always been. Riot is trying to reinvent online gaming. GL - It cant be done. Why you ask? Because humans are innately toxic. Don't believe me - go visit your local homeless shelter - Then get back on LoL and buy another skin.
Sorry for the caps, figured you might not miss it this time :)
The Whamboozler1 votesIt IS a problem. It's just an uncorrectable problem because so many people out there have the same attitude about it that you do.
Spiffy McBang1 votesHere's the problem with your argument: the concept of 'toxic banter'.
I've seen banter in-game. I've definitely seen toxicity. Maybe there was a time when I would apply both terms to the same situation, but I can't think of one. Banter is, by definition, people talking back and forth; toxicity is pretty much always asshats yelling at people. Now, it's very possible two asshats will yell at each other, but that's still not banter.
I genuinely envy the fact you can enjoy any of that. But it becomes tiresome very quickly when you're trying to improve and that's how people react to it, especially when you play unranked games specifically because you want to be better before you play ranked. You are only speaking for yourself; Riot has to take the whole community into account, and it should be clear by now that enough of the community is driven away by this behavior (if basic human decency wasn't enough) for them to work on stamping it out.
Ýisus1 votes"Banter refers to a form of jesting or to the act of exchanging joking repartee. Although the word once meant “ridicule,” and though it has a regional sense "a challenge or dare" (as in, "he performed a banter [or banner], jumping from the roof onto the snowbank"), in modern use it usually refers to a light-hearted form of wit. You would not be wrong to say that someone engages in “cruel banter,” if that is what is intended, but the word is far more often encountered in combination with modifiers such as witty, friendly, or lighthearted."
I just learned something new. I was unaware that in modern times banter was always friendly.
Yeah, I can totally have fun with some shit talk - I just always remember ... that person is having a bad day / game ... nothing they are saying is what they truly mean. Its just part of any competitive game with a chat system.
From their I proceed with some fun. Where I say toxicity is wrong is with threats .... I am not down with any threats... its time to log off if you are so angry you have to threaten someone - everything else is fair game lol.