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Got banned without any lesser punishments

FG Derptron··2 votes·973 views

Hello. My old account is FG Derptron and it got perma banned on 5/17/16. I have been banned for trash talking.There was a sivir trolling and i got reported. I just made some references on how she was a cry baby and that she needs people to do things she need to do, than the other game i just called people out by just typing their score. The first game with sivir me and my friends made jokes,that might have been offensive, but not meant towards any people in the game. Everyone does it, but only some people get reported for it. I have seen people way more toxic to get away with it or to just get a suspension. The thing is, do you think people deserve a second try (which is the warning). I have spent a good amount of money in this game, at least 600, and I feel like i have been banned unfairly. I get it if i would get a suspension, but is a permanent ban the necessary punishment? I just want to be here for the people that feel like me. League sometimes is unfair, and one of those times are now. I know form this, I learned a life lesson, and I am not gonna flame anymore in any game mode because I want to keep my account that I put money and time into.

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MegaManYYZ2 votes

post your chat logs, so we can see if you were "unfairly" banned?

FatesDefiler2 votes

the bs that spews out of people's mouth on this forum is unreal. players being permabanned for one chat violation is unreal. people supporting a company doing that is unreal. repeating something doesn't make it any more true anywhere except your own head, you know that?

Over lmmortal1 votes

You were toxic. They clearly state that there can be punishments, including a permanent suspension. If you'd like to try to defend yourself, though. I'd suggest adding a screen shot of the full reform card you've been given. You do not deserve to be a member of the community if you're a negative impact on games, or other players. I learned this the hard way, and I assume you will too. Good luck with your new account, because they will not revert a permanent suspension. [slayer-jinx-wink]

scazzman1 votes

i do feel like riot is cold and unjust when it comes to thier punishment system.not because the system is flawed. but because the game is overrun with 12 year olds who report simply because they dont like you. a solution i have to this. is take away the report sytem for all of the verbal toxicity punishments. as well as afk/feeding. and have it done automatically. "basically the bot would be doing the reporting. not the players." and have reports only be for things not detectble by the bot such as subtle trolling. or passive aggressiveness

Over lmmortal3 votes

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i do feel like riot is cold and unjust when it comes to thier punishment system.not because the system is flawed. but because the game is overrun with 12 year olds who report simply because they dont like you. a solution i have to this. is take away the report sytem for all of the verbal toxicity punishments. as well as afk/feeding. and have it done automatically. "basically the bot would be doing the reporting. not the players." and have reports only be for things not detectble by the bot such as subtle trolling. or passive aggressiveness

It does not matter who is playing the game, whether they are 12 or 112. If they report you, and you have done nothing wrong, then you will not be punished. So, rather than being immature, and feeding into other players' negative behaviors, simply follow the Summoner's Code, and enjoy the game.

scazzman2 votes

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It does not matter who is playing the game, whether they are 12 or 112. If they report you, and you have done nothing wrong, then you will not be punished. So, rather than being immature, and feeding into other players' negative behaviors, simply follow the Summoner's Code, and enjoy the game.

but the problem. is these guys go on a power trip. and tack on reports to your account regardless of toxicity. andwhat ends up happening. is even though theyre mostly thrown out. they still go on your recond. and by the time you get a justified report. your account is flagged for review by all the false ones. so there's less room for you to have the occaisional bad game.

Over lmmortal3 votes

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but the problem. is these guys go on a power trip. and tack on reports to your account regardless of toxicity. andwhat ends up happening. is even though theyre mostly thrown out. they still go on your recond. and by the time you get a justified report. your account is flagged for review by all the false ones. so there's less room for you to have the occaisional bad game.

As I said, follow the Summoner's Code, and you will not be punished. If they are false reports, they will not effect you.

scazzman1 votes

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As I said, follow the Summoner's Code, and you will not be punished. If they are false reports, they will not effect you.

they still affect you in the sense that while the false reports themselves wont get you punished. they still flag your account for review. so if you get a real report. what would have been ignored as the occasional bad game ends up getting you punished

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

That doesn't get you punished for what would otherwise be ignored as an occasional bad game.

The reports only tell it when and where to look, that is it. It sill has to find enough to warrant a punishment. It isn't just a triggered review finds 1 thing and then punishes.

Those false reports could potentially trigger a review sooner than otherwise would have happened, but the review still needs to find enough infractions to dish out a punishment. No matter how many and what reasons for the reports. So at worst, false reports reduce the time you get away with something because it could shorten the period of time between when you committed enough to warrant a punishment and when you get enough reports to trigger a review.

scazzman1 votes

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That doesn't get you punished for what would otherwise be ignored as an occasional bad game.

The reports only tell it when and where to look, that is it. It sill has to find enough to warrant a punishment. It isn't just a triggered review finds 1 thing and then punishes.

Those false reports could potentially trigger a review sooner than otherwise would have happened, but the review still needs to find enough infractions to dish out a punishment. No matter how many and what reasons for the reports. So at worst, false reports reduce the time you get away with something because it could shorten the period of time between when you committed enough to warrant a punishment and when you get enough reports to trigger a review.

the other reason for leaving it up to the bot as opposed to players. is takes away from the ego of people who use the report system as a tool to bully. and would give players who tilt occasionally peace of mind thereby making them less likely to turn toxic. while it would be largely arbitrary and wouldnt change much regarding the ban system. it would reduce toxicity based off of mental psychology

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

I have mixed feelings on taking out the reporting step.

Not everyone has a problem what various things that are considered toxic. So it is kinda of an "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it still make a sound". If no one is bothered by what someone said it is kinda hard to say they should be punished for it.

Requiring reports probably also cuts down on costs by a lot since the system doesn't have to scan the chat of every game that happens.

Bettnachleger1 votes

Everyone get this false reports and Riot know this. That's why you need a huge amount pf reports to trigger the chatanalysetool (like 5 times more than the usual player).

Firu2 votes

False reports have no effect on your account. If someone is reporting you out of spite, it doesn't mean you weren't toxic in the game. If you were, then the report will carry weight. If you weren't then it's a false report.

scazzman1 votes

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False reports have no effect on your account. If someone is reporting you out of spite, it doesn't mean you weren't toxic in the game. If you were, then the report will carry weight. If you weren't then it's a false report.

this is only half true, false reports will not get you punished. but if you have a bad game and get legitimately reported due to tilt. you're more likely to be punished if you've been spammed with false reports previously

Firu1 votes

Who told you this?

Below is my understanding of the system based on reading numerous Red Posts:

False reports get dropped from your record the moment they are deemed false, as in, it is as in your record would be identical to someone who was never reported.

Based on reading these message boards a lot, it appears to me that people who are saying false reports count (in the manner you describe) have typically been people who are trying to justify why they were punished. E.g., Oh, I was bad this one time but the only reason I was punished was because I was falsely reported before. In reality, they were reported before (legitimately) and it was the most recent report that was the one that broke the camels back.

scazzman1 votes

{quoted}

Who told you this?

Below is my understanding of the system based on reading numerous Red Posts:

False reports get dropped from your record the moment they are deemed false, as in, it is as in your record would be identical to someone who was never reported.

Based on reading these message boards a lot, it appears to me that people who are saying false reports count (in the manner you describe) have typically been people who are trying to justify why they were punished. E.g., Oh, I was bad this one time but the only reason I was punished was because I was falsely reported before. In reality, they were reported before (legitimately) and it was the most recent report that was the one that broke the camels back.

Riot has actually stated the opposite. That reports even false ones are not removed from your record. They just arent counted

Firu1 votes

Okay. Then even if that's true. Doesn't that support the notion that they...aren't...counted?

scazzman1 votes

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Okay. Then even if that's true. Doesn't that support the notion that they...aren't...counted?

Theyre counted for the purpose of reviews but not actual punishment. The reason is they could be being passive aggressive or trolling but dodging the system. So the bot camps the reported person waiting for them to slip up like a fed jungler

Firu1 votes

Isn't that exactly what I said in the my post earlier in this thread (like 6 up)? If you did something bad than it isn't a false report for that game. If you weren't bad for that game than the report is thrown out and doesn't have any effect on any future punishments.

I think the thing we're circling around on here is false reports from previous games have zero effect on whether you will be punished or not in any future game you're reported on. I'm tapping out of this thread because I think we're just circling the wagon and not as any indictment of your view.

Astôlfo1 votes

No one cares how much money you spent. No need to tell us. And you're not the one that gets to decide whether or not the punishment is fair. And I'm pretty sure you're not that 1/6000 case of an erroneous permaban.

And judging from what you've said so far, you recognize you've been offensive and rude and toxic and whatever else have you. That's that. Context is irrelevant, other people doing it is irrelevant. You still chose to do it. You got the consequences. Stop complaining. Shoo.

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